US citizen parents sponsoring over 21 son..

thera33 said:
The NVC has no standard at times, I know of a FB1 case sent from NVC to Consulate from 2005 with a August 2002 PD. So I dont know where you get your info from. Rightly you cannot predict the visa bulletin.
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They might have forwarded a case earlier, but after doing some research on this thing and seeing cases that were forwarded to consulate in my home country I figured out that their PD did became current in an year's time. I am talking about a general trend rather than a specific case. I might be wrong.
As far as predicting visa bulletin I don't remember that visa bulliten did some thing exceptional or unpredictable in family based categories, it only happens in employment based cases where retrogression occurs due to late approval of cases with earlier priority dates. I have in been FB1 for more than 5 year and I never saw visa bulletin jumping unpredictably an year, it's been moving slowly quite predictbly.
 
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I would have to disagree here... Remember back in 2004 or 2005 family based categories RETROGRESSED to 1999 and then were stuck on 2001 for 2 years or so. I just hope nothing of the kind happens again!!!

xerostomic said:
As far as predicting visa bulletin I don't remember that visa bulliten did some thing exceptional or unpredictable in family based categories, it only happens in employment based cases where retrogression occurs due to late approval of cases with earlier priority dates. I have in been FB1 for more than 5 year and I never saw visa bulletin jumping unpredictably an year, it's been moving slowly quite predictbly.
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ULTRON,

For the F2b-F1 upgrade, is it USCIS (not NVC) where you submited your documents? That's where I submitted mine. Did you just enclosed a copy of your mother's naturalization certificate and a copy of approved I-130 (I797), plus a cover letter? These are what I submitted last month. I did it myself with no lawyer, since I figured I could manage it.

CSIQ


ULTRON said:
Yes, csiq, I upgraded my status from F2B to F1 as soon as my mom got her US citizenship. Yes, you can upgrade it when you apply for I485...but why wait? Trust me, US has a very unstable immigration law. If you can do it now, do not wait! The upgrade process is very quick...a couple of weeks I would say.

ULTRON
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mermaid06 said:
I would have to disagree here... Remember back in 2004 or 2005 family based categories RETROGRESSED to 1999 and then were stuck on 2001 for 2 years or so. I just hope nothing of the kind happens again!!!
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Yup I do remember as I am also one of the victim and still suffering due to that phase, but I would stick to my point as it was predicted. You remeber 245i that granted concession to illegal alliens upto April, every one knew that there were chances of retrogression at the end of fiscal year 2006 and even the NVC indicated in March or April visa bulletin that retrogression might occur late in fiscal year. So there was nothing unpredictable about that retrogression. And you notice the dates move with fairly good pace after that. According to 245i the alliens had to be physically present in US at time it was enacted (December 2000). Since most of them were present and probably their parents were also present at that time, so their parents had already naturalized or naturalized earlier than 5 years after sponsoring their siblings, it created a huge pool of applications all of them promoted to first preference in 3-4 years time, and the waiting time at NVC for FB1 was 3 years at that time, so consuming all the visa numbers as they became available. Even ppl who became permanant resident in April or earlier and had to file I-130's in May, June or July were advised by their lawyers to file before the end of April, so every one tried to push him self in this time period, it also gave some releif for the months of 2002, May and June.
Let's hope this hypothesis is correct and there is no more retrogression.
 
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CSIQ, sorry, I can't be of much help here because my mom hired a lawyer. Yes, the lawyer asked for the naturalization certificate that was submitted to the USCIS. Have you heard anything from the USCIS yet?

ULTRON

csiq said:
ULTRON,

For the F2b-F1 upgrade, is it USCIS (not NVC) where you submited your documents? That's where I submitted mine. Did you just enclosed a copy of your mother's naturalization certificate and a copy of approved I-130 (I797), plus a cover letter? These are what I submitted last month. I did it myself with no lawyer, since I figured I could manage it.

CSIQ
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Mermaid, actually, we really can make quick-n-dirty predictions for the visa bulletin. Assuming there isn't a terrorist attack, or some drastic change in the # of applications, or some crazy law taking effect - I have a hunch the PDs might continue to move on smoothly for sometime if all things are equal. Needless to say, I'm not sure how the receding economy and upcoming elections would affect the PDs....

ULTRON

mermaid06 said:
I would have to disagree here... Remember back in 2004 or 2005 family based categories RETROGRESSED to 1999 and then were stuck on 2001 for 2 years or so. I just hope nothing of the kind happens again!!!
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xerostomic said:
Yup I do remember as I am also one of the victim and still suffering due to that phase, but I would stick to my point as it was predicted. You remeber 245i that granted concession to illegal alliens upto April, every one knew that there were chances of retrogression at the end of fiscal year 2006 and even the NVC indicated in March or April visa bulletin that retrogression might occur late in fiscal year. So there was nothing unpredictable about that retrogression. And you notice the dates move with fairly good pace after that. According to 245i the alliens had to be physically present in US at time it was enacted (December 2000). Since most of them were present and probably their parents were also present at that time, so their parents had already naturalized or naturalized earlier than 5 years after sponsoring their siblings, it created a huge pool of applications all of them promoted to first preference in 3-4 years time, and the waiting time at NVC for FB1 was 3 years at that time, so consuming all the visa numbers as they became available. Even ppl who became permanant resident in April or earlier and had to file I-130's in May, June or July were advised by their lawyers to file before the end of April, so every one tried to push him self in this time period, it also gave some releif for the months of 2002, May and June.
Let's hope this hypothesis is correct and there is no more retrogression.
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We all understand that. But what about FB3, FB4 and also FB2a which move by up to 6 months in the past. You dont see the light here. Simply, FB! and FB2b are allotted the least numbers of visas. People who upgrade from F2B to FB1 also put a strain on the numbers. Remenber FB1 was going at good pace before April 30, 2001 245is deadline. It resume after the baclog was cleared, but something happended the last 2 bulletins. Although FB3 and FB4 have'nt move in the last. The thing with NVC requesting documents 7 months before priority dates becomes current is farse. Cases have been sleeping in consulates for years around the world.
 
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thera33 said:
We all understand that. But what about FB3, FB4 and also FB2a which move by up to 6 months in the past. You dont see the light here. Simply, FB! and FB2b are allotted the least numbers of visas. People who upgrade from F2B to FB1 also put a strain on the numbers. Remenber FB1 was going at good pace before April 30, 2001 245is deadline. It resume after the baclog was cleared, but something happended the last 2 bulletins. Although FB3 and FB4 have'nt move in the last. The thing with NVC requesting documents 7 months before priority dates becomes current is farse. Cases have been sleeping in consulates for years around the world.
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May be NVC's process that starts ahead of PD is inaccurate. Regarding FB3 or FB4 they haven't reached 245i period, so we should see how they behave during that period and regarding FB2a, it really moved quickly, it used to be one year behid FB1 before 245i and now it's more than a year ahead of FB1. When I thought about it I made a crazy conclusion that some of the permanant resident's (FB2a) were not married at that time and it wasn't wise for them to find an illegal alein match during those 5 months and then get married inorder to avail 245i thing. There might be very few permanant resident's who spouses were present at the time the law was enacted compared to children of US citizen's who parents were living here for a while and they some how managed to reach here and became illegal. At the top of that spouses of those who filed during 245i period, if any, were promoted to IR1 upon naturalization, so 245i leterally consumed nothing from the FB2a quota.
 
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I don' think that upgradation from FB2b to FB1 puts any strain as almost every one in FB1 comes through this route, if there were no upgradation we all would be in FB2b. My parents came here in June 2000, but some one told them that if they file I-130 for me then I wont be able to come here on any non immigrant visa, but then I was refused non immigrant visa even without being an I-130 beneficiary. They filed for me after 2.5 years and amzaingly when I applied after I-130 being filed I got 5 years visit visa. If they had filed even in 2001 my PD would have become current upon their naturalization in 2005.
 
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I don' think that upgradation from FB2b to FB1 puts any strain as almost every one in FB1 comes through this route, if there were no upgradation we all would be in FB2b. My parents came here in June 2000, but some one told them that if they file I-130 for me then I wont be able to come here on any non immigrant visa, but then I was refused non immigrant visa even without being an I-130 beneficiary. They filed for me after 2.5 years and amzaingly when I applied after I-130 being filed I got 5 years visit visa. If they had filed even in 2001 my PD would have become current upon their naturalization in 2005.
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Where do you get such bull.... from? FB2b upgrading to FB1 sure does have a impact on visa numbers in FB1 as well as aged-out immediate relatives, and that was stated in past bulletins

Saying that most people go through Fb2b at first is not true. Remember filing through FB1 did result in fast track greencard in the past, so most people always wait until they are naturalized before they file for their adult son and daughters - which was a mistake.
 
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No comments brother, just common sense that is not very common.
Most ppl used to wait untill their naturalization in past, this is 100% true as untill 97 PD's were current in FB1, but as the back log started building up some wise ppl realized it and they made a clever move by filing for their children in FB2b and then upgrading it. In 2000 this practice became common.
I don't know if there would be some improvement in pace once dates enter the period when Child status protection act was enacted (I think in 2003), as it will reduce the number of persons in FB2b and FB1
 
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I hope it helps. Who knows... Have anybody been on Shusterman w-site?

http://www.shusterman.com/vb.html

He says, that visa bulletin PD are far away from reality, and family based is behind? Is it his own opinion or I have to wait for another 8 months till I get something from NVC? ( My family is abroad, I have been waiting for him since 1997), PD is july 2000, F3 .
 
Kaunas said:
I hope it helps. Who knows... Have anybody been on Shusterman w-site?

http://www.shusterman.com/vb.html

He says, that visa bulletin PD are far away from reality, and family based is behind? Is it his own opinion or I have to wait for another 8 months till I get something from NVC? ( My family is abroad, I have been waiting for him since 1997), PD is july 2000, F3 .
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Kaunas
Your PD is pretty close as I think FB3 is in May right now, so might hear a good news in coming one to two months. Its strange that you haven't heard any thing from NVC as it seems that you are doing counsel processing. Normally files are already sitting in counslates when PD has reached that close.
 
Thank you. After all these horror stories about retrogression and increase in applications and Shusterman's site I don't know what to expect.
Yes, we do consular, ambassy in Warsaw. You think, papers already there?
 
F3? That's going to be a looong wait. :eek:

ULTRON

Kaunas said:
I hope it helps. Who knows... Have anybody been on Shusterman w-site?

http://www.shusterman.com/vb.html

He says, that visa bulletin PD are far away from reality, and family based is behind? Is it his own opinion or I have to wait for another 8 months till I get something from NVC? ( My family is abroad, I have been waiting for him since 1997), PD is july 2000, F3 .
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