Is it ok taht I travelled with my national passport and used RTD for reentry. The VISAS to the country I traveled was cheaper to put in my passport than in RTD. I sent INS all the copies of VISAS and copies of stamps in RTD's and I 94's. I want to find out if they gonna cause me a problem because I used national passport even thought I had a valid RTD.
Travel with national passport and RTD
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Lazerthegreat
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When you travel, you travel only on one document. Switching documents during the way could be considered fraud. Do not do it. You could be in serious trouble. For example when you come back , the first question would be "where you have been?" and then they see you RTD. When there won't be any stamp of entering into 3rd country, they will ask you, how come you dont have any entry stamps... it would be a problem..
The only time this can be successful is when you become citizen... you can leave country on your home country's passport and enter back on US passport. But that is totally different. Wait till you become citizen if you ever want to do it.
The only time this can be successful is when you become citizen... you can leave country on your home country's passport and enter back on US passport. But that is totally different. Wait till you become citizen if you ever want to do it.
fake asylum
you can do whatever you want but the bottom line is: you're an political asylum holder under the protection of the U.S. due to the prosecution you suffered or would suffer in your native country. if you need some coziness in your life and would like to use your national passport for your convenience or savings they (USCIS) may entertain the same right and comfortable deny your further stay in the U.S. assuming that you have obtained your asylum on a fraudulent bases.
we are so often pissed off withthe Goverment for treating us unfair but if I have been an USCIS officer and have seen your cute little game with two passports (RTD is NOT a passport, btw, you are getting a privilege to have it in lieu of your national passport you're unable to use given your status) I may be a human also and assume that all of them (asyless) are the same - fraud and cheaters and would, without a blink of an eye, deport you back.
political asylum is a serious thing. you are not. good luck with your savings on visas.
you can do whatever you want but the bottom line is: you're an political asylum holder under the protection of the U.S. due to the prosecution you suffered or would suffer in your native country. if you need some coziness in your life and would like to use your national passport for your convenience or savings they (USCIS) may entertain the same right and comfortable deny your further stay in the U.S. assuming that you have obtained your asylum on a fraudulent bases.
we are so often pissed off withthe Goverment for treating us unfair but if I have been an USCIS officer and have seen your cute little game with two passports (RTD is NOT a passport, btw, you are getting a privilege to have it in lieu of your national passport you're unable to use given your status) I may be a human also and assume that all of them (asyless) are the same - fraud and cheaters and would, without a blink of an eye, deport you back.
political asylum is a serious thing. you are not. good luck with your savings on visas.
ayyubov said:
complete agreement. These people are either crazy or fraudulent, or both. They probably do not even know what asylum really means. Asylum implies by definition the rupture of your relationship with your country of citizenship. It is that simple. Your national passport is a form of protection from the issuing country.
GreyGhost said:
Lazerthegreat
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I think spending more money on visas on RTD should NOT be more cumbersome than the persecution, you claimed, you went through in your native country. Don't you agree???
I used it twice and when it expired I used RTD for visas. Everytime Imm Officer checked both documents and issued me I 94 without any problem. What difference does it make for INS if they got all the copies of Visas for foreign country. Now my passport is expired and I'm using th RTD for visas and I think INS don't care what we use as long as we have RTD for reentry.
GreyGhost said:
My case is scheduled to be procceced in 2013. Why will they deport me after 14 years living here: because I put visas in my passport instead of RTD. Well according to law it is not prohibited to use your national passport but u have to have an RTD to reentry the country. Yeah INS can take advantage of everything with us but they are in the law frame also. To deport somebody they have to have a very good reason with a proof. Because the case definitely will go to court and thats when they'll be asked for it. I think you guys kind of blowing it out of proportion (the whole asylum case). I live here for more than 5 years and never had any problem with any Immigration officer. Everytime everything went smooth and according to law. Yes they can and will deport asylee if:
1. he revisited his home country without a good reason
2. he commited a serious crime
But with a proof. And I'll tell you one thing. When adjustment takes place 10 years after applying it's really hard for them to deny it because it's been a long time.
I wonder why you ask if you're so sure that you may play the game with Immigration here?
Sure, you can play around - they are too busy to (usually) care about you national passport etc. and you can get away with almost any trick, who cares - but the bottom line is: IO can reffer you to the IJ if you have used your NP and the IJ may put you in a removal process. Simple as that. Because you don't have or have never had a "credible persecution or torture" i.e. are a fraud.
There are so many horror stories about (real) immigrants that were deported with or without reason so someone who is a political asylum holder should, in my humble opinon, show some respect to the country that gave him or her a privilege of applying for such a serious thing as political asylum. Moreover you have been given a privilage of travel with the issued, valid RTD but you have chosen to save few buck. Good, you're obviously a savvy person but all that I'm trying to say here is the same:
1. feel free to do whatever you want,
2. if you get caught they can deport you,
3. if you get caught, being savvy as you are, you may find a way to stay without any problems.
Sure, you can play around - they are too busy to (usually) care about you national passport etc. and you can get away with almost any trick, who cares - but the bottom line is: IO can reffer you to the IJ if you have used your NP and the IJ may put you in a removal process. Simple as that. Because you don't have or have never had a "credible persecution or torture" i.e. are a fraud.
There are so many horror stories about (real) immigrants that were deported with or without reason so someone who is a political asylum holder should, in my humble opinon, show some respect to the country that gave him or her a privilege of applying for such a serious thing as political asylum. Moreover you have been given a privilage of travel with the issued, valid RTD but you have chosen to save few buck. Good, you're obviously a savvy person but all that I'm trying to say here is the same:
1. feel free to do whatever you want,
2. if you get caught they can deport you,
3. if you get caught, being savvy as you are, you may find a way to stay without any problems.
ayyubov said:
People, take it easy. I'm just trying to find out answers. I'm trying to find a logic (if it's exist). If I would know I wouldn't travel using my national passport, but it says nowhere that asylee can't use it. Thas what I'm trying to find out. It's not about whether I like the answers or not. We are just discussing here. Thanks.
a word of comfort
A member of my family (Asylee) traveled overseas with two documents last year.
He used his unexpired national passport to leave the US and enter the other country
(he didn’t need a visa with his NP, but would had to pay for the original invitation and the visa if he used RTD) and then he used Travel document on his way back to US.
I was there. We had no problems whatsoever.
I don’t think it was something illegal, or something that would cause him a trouble to adjust somewhere in 2010-2011.
Green Card holders use their national passports to travel back and forth and the only time they show their GC is back in US to let them in.
and that’s what the RTD is for asylees – the permission to be admitted back into States.
Yes, most of asylees use RTD for travel because our passports expired long time ago and we can’t or won’t renew them, but if a person still has a valid one and wants to use it for a travel somewhere NOT to the country of clamed prosecution, then why not?
The NP has an “Asylum granted…” stamp inside it anyway.
A member of my family (Asylee) traveled overseas with two documents last year.
He used his unexpired national passport to leave the US and enter the other country
(he didn’t need a visa with his NP, but would had to pay for the original invitation and the visa if he used RTD) and then he used Travel document on his way back to US.
I was there. We had no problems whatsoever.
I don’t think it was something illegal, or something that would cause him a trouble to adjust somewhere in 2010-2011.
Green Card holders use their national passports to travel back and forth and the only time they show their GC is back in US to let them in.
and that’s what the RTD is for asylees – the permission to be admitted back into States.
Yes, most of asylees use RTD for travel because our passports expired long time ago and we can’t or won’t renew them, but if a person still has a valid one and wants to use it for a travel somewhere NOT to the country of clamed prosecution, then why not?
The NP has an “Asylum granted…” stamp inside it anyway.
Lazerthegreat
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I thought that if you leave US on National Passport (NP), INS would insist on I-94 or some other proof of legal presence in the US (eg. green card). Don't they?
And they never stamped my NP with any kinds of asylum grant stamps? Have they started it now?
And they never stamped my NP with any kinds of asylum grant stamps? Have they started it now?
Lazerthegreat
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Ok now! whats your story "ayyubov". What exactly happened? Tell us from begining. For example "I wanted to travel to X country and got visa in my NP and also applied for RTD......"
Tell like a story.
thanks,
Tell like a story.
thanks,
Before my travel I applied for RTD and got it. This is important for your reentry. Then I put vISa of the country I travelled to in my National passport. I left the USA and flew there. On the way back I just had to show my RTD and they let me on the plane. It works perfect. Especially in Europe. Upon returning INS officer stamped my RTD, gave me a new I 94 and asked for my passport because he couldn't find any visas in my RTD. He checked my national passport and let me out. On my second trip smae thing happened except the Officed never checked my passport and gave me a new I 94 and stamped my RTD. Then my passport has been accidently destroyed in the washer and I started to use RTD for visas which cost me 3 times more.
Lazerthegreat
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Moral of the Story:
Never leave your passports in your pant pockets... 
Never leave your passports in your pant pockets...
I went to Mexico using both documents. I had the permanent residence stamp on the national passport and had the RTD also. I used my national passport to enter Mexico and both to re-enter the U.S because the approval stamp had been put by an immigration officer in my national passport. The officer checked both and let me in. No problem. Of course it is better to have the RTD, but in my case I was forced to use both
Lazerthegreat
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sbernal! when and where did you have stamping on your national passport.?