Traffic Tickets do not count!
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JoeF said:
I think this subject is the curse of your life
...I won't be surprised to learn that you dream every night about "citations" and "traffic violations" TO BE OR NOT TO BE...reported in the N-400 application NJGoose said:
They (USCIS) didn't ask to list those "citation" with the explicit purpose to deny the application because of that...but is understood that willingfully concealing a material fact may be a reason for denial..even though that particular material fact (a traffic citation) is minor and unimportant.
JoeF said:
JoeF I'd like to know your opinion on this question:
15. Have you ever committed a crime or offense for which you were not arrested?
I'm sure everybody lied to this question
...and please don't tell me that never in your life, you didn't, at least, kick a dog who, you thought, wanted to bite you...and that may be an offense called "animal cruelty"
I had three tickets on my application, one for a red light and two for speeding. My interviewer did not question me about it. When he asked if I had ever been convicted of a crime, I stuttered/paused and he said do not count traffic citations. I said no and that was the end of that discussion.
Not sure about MTA but on MetroNorth if you don't have your tickets or money to pay for a ticket, they write one up for you right there. And it is actually a citation. Your then mail your payments in later in a provided envelope.
I have quite a few of those,.
I think we have debated this senselessly for quite sometime now. The right approach is probably to let people decide on their own. List traffic tickets if you want to stick to the letter of the law; and don't if you want to stick to the spirit of the law.
No one here is capable of providing a definitive answer on this question. anyone pretending otherwise is misleading all of us.
I have quite a few of those,
.I think we have debated this senselessly for quite sometime now. The right approach is probably to let people decide on their own. List traffic tickets if you want to stick to the letter of the law; and don't if you want to stick to the spirit of the law.
No one here is capable of providing a definitive answer on this question. anyone pretending otherwise is misleading all of us.
AlexanderG
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qili said:
I just have to imagine a person getting into the situation to argue with an adjudication officer why he/she did not list when he/she was cited by a law enforcement officer for a reason (ticket) and the petitioner answered it was not 'in the spirit of the law' . Amen !
Alex
astrix said:Never get a ticket? Are you sure?
Try speeding 10 miles above posted speed limit in a school zone.
or try to even speed on the work-zone.
anyhow, i have seen increasingly discussion about the subject of "traffic tickets should be listed or not".
I guess it is subject to individual. After all, it is your N400 application. Do whatever you want, and I, for sure, care less about it.
ocworker said:I guess it is subject to individual. After all, it is your N400 application. Do whatever you want, and I, for sure, care less about it.
Absolutely! After 5 pages of posts on this, who cares? Each person, do what you want. You are the one signing the application...
Superho said:
well, it is not just this specific thread. the general "you-say-i-say" related with the traffic tickets exist everytime when someone brings it up. I do not understand why it is an issue at all when the form requires the person to list all citations. but again, geez, i reported the traffic tickets during the interview (well, i did not report it on the form), and the most important thing is.. I got my US citizenship!
naturalizer123
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Traffic ticket does not count and there is no need to report it on N400 form. Both lawyers and CIS officer have confirm ed it many times. It is totally irrelevant to the naturlization process, which looks for crimes and moral turpitude.
Please don't overinterpret the law and try to split hair here.
Please don't overinterpret the law and try to split hair here.
AlexanderG
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NJGoose said:
Right, after all getting a ticket from a cop for speeding does not mean that you were 'cited by a law enforcment officer for any reason' ... otherwise they would have said 'ticket' and 'cop' in the question, wouldn't they?
Anyway, the questions don't have to be answered truthfully, right? You are just required to answer the questions in a way that can help the adjudcation officer to get the 'correct' impression of you. I mean after all that poor guy has to deal with strangers all day ! I am sure the adjudication officer will appreciate that you sort out the facts before so that he/she does not have to make a judgement based on all the facts.
Maybe you should also not list all the places you lived before ... man, with all the zip codes and stuff - that gets to be confusing ! Probably you would list only those addresses you liked ... anyway, if you lived there less than a year you may consider this a minor address change ...
You answer your questions any way you like. Complete or not complete, truthfully or not.
One thing is certain - when you read the question and answer it, you KNOW what you are doing. Your choice ...
Alex
You are absolutely right. We should use common sense. Next time if you approach a traffic light at night and there no vehicles are seen approaching the intersection from the cross road, we can keep going through the intersection. Right? After all the red light is for preventing accidents when the cross traffic is heavy! It is a bit of a gray area. We should each use our individual judgement. And talking of stop signs, well, the intention is to slow traffice not have a "dead" stop. It is really a gray area too. Same with the due date for taxes. 15th April does not mean the midnight of the last working day next to 15th. A day or two late will not make difference. That goes for manythings in life. Cops are after big time crooks a little shoplifting does not make a difference. It is a gray area too.
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