the worst interview ever

Brenglen said:
You are right, yes the Racial comments and other private things are wrong..HOWEVER they are ALLOWED to ask about Sexual proformances with your partner, that ISN'T against the rules.

The Employees took these couple for granted and stripped away their rights and this should be a lawsuit and could go to a Immirgation Judge.
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This is an area that is often misread and misunderstood(dare I say misapplied by the CIS). By policy, an officer is allowed to ask whether the marriage has been consummated. Anything beyond that, is outside the scope of authority. Questions about frequency, location, sexual positions, sexual performance etc. are inappropriate and against policy. Nevertheless, we hear accounts of these being asked sometimes. Few immigration officers would try that in front of an attorney though, since they know what the possible ramifications will be.

I suggest the OP take an attorney with the next time. It's hard to protect your rights if you don't know what they are.
 
Wow, what a mess, I can only imagine what you guys were going thru as this is unbelievable. Of course this is because of age difference but also because he is muslim and Im certain it has more weight than the age. It is very common for people here to stereotype the whole nation because of the actions of one reject, just shows the ignorance and illiteracy. Just like everyone suggested, Id be searching for some qualified attorneys and just dont give up and everything happens for a reason. Stay strong.
 
I don't think that religion played a role, even though profiling is definitely understandable nowadays.
I think the age difference (20+ yrs for usc wife) and the fact that applicant already tried to get benefits in a fraudolent way (at least according to uscis).

I don't know on whom the burden of proving that the marriage is real/fake is.

I understand their point of view, even though racial comments should not be tolerated.
 
What a pity Hang in there

I have realised that in marriage based interviews it's not how much proof you have necessarily but who your interviewing officer is.When i had my interview i was interrogated and harassed my husband and i were interviwed sperately i thought to myself that the 14 year age difference and race difference would not have been a big problem but it was and at my interview my green card was not granted like you.
I was not told that my marriage was fake but the officer was just a plain B**** she also refused to listen to my answers when she asked a question and kept cutting me off and never wanted to see my supporting documents during the interview even though i had them there. The woman who interviewed me kept referring to my race and my husbands and asked me many questions based on that ,which to me was not pertinent but they treat people they way they want to because they know that you have no choice but to bow down and be tarmpled upon .
Dont loose sleep on it , for a while after my interview it made me sick mentally thinking about what i did wrong which is nothing .You also have to think that some people are stuck in a pitiful hate for other people with different cultures.
Dont worry your husband will get approved eventually since there are no legal grounds for him not to be approved gather more documents if you can .I also think that older interviewing officers are somewhat racist it may or may not be true but that's my opinion.
 
TheRealCanadian said:
Of course they can in order to validate that the marriage is genuine. And I don't see a single "intimate" question there.
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Then you need to read closer!!!! They cant ask you about sex, intercorse, ETC. This is NOT my opinion, my Immigration laywyers told me this (they Know the law better than you and me). Please before you give anyone an advice, either know what you are apeaking of, or dont give an advice at all.

How do you feel if this interview was yours!!!!?
 
SHAFFI said:
Then you need to read closer!!!! They cant ask you about sex, intercorse, ETC. This is NOT my opinion, my Immigration laywyers told me this (they Know the law better than you and me). Please before you give anyone an advice, either know what you are apeaking of, or dont give an advice at all.

How do you feel if this interview was yours!!!!?
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Honestly, I don't see the big deal.
If somebody asks my wife and me if we have sex, we would definitely answer and not get offended. Especially if this is helpful to satisfy any immigration officer decision-process.
What is the big deal? The IO just asked if the marriage is consummed, a thing that 99.99, if not 100% of legitimate couples do, for one purpose or the other.
 
MarineBiologist said:
I'm so sorry. That truly is an awful interview.

Contrary to what Shaffi and Malakai said, it is not violation of civil rights nor is it uncalled for.

Being approved for a green card is not a "right" and unfortunately they are allowed to ask anything they wish to, and they may or may not grant a green card based on their mood.
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WHERE DO YOU GET YOUR INFORMATION FROM!!!?? MOODS HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH USCIS GRANTING YOU YOUR CASE. THEY CANT DISAPROVE HER CASE BECAUSE OF THEIR MOOD (THIS IS USA, NOT NORTH KOREA). USCIS, HAS AN AUTHORITY TO ASK QESTIONES TO VALIDATE THE MARRIGE, BUT THEY CAN'T GO BEYOND THAT, LIKE WHAT HAPPEN TO THIS LADY, AND TELLING HER THAT HE IS USING HER WHEN THEY DONT EVEN KNOW THE GUY.

ANY JUDGE WILL RULE AS THIS INTERVIEW IS AN ABUSE OF POWER.

UNLIKE SOME PEOPLE HERE THAT THEY GIVE AN ADVICE BY GUESING. IF I DONT KNOW THE ANSWER TO SOMEONE WHO IS ASKING FOR HELP HERE, I CALL MY IMMIGRATION LAWYERS AND GET THEIR LEGAL OPINION.

SO YOU CAN DISAGREE WITH ME, BUT YOU ALSO DISAGREEING WITH THE LAW AS THIS IS WHAT THE LAW IS. USCIS WANTS YOU TO BELIVE THAT GRANTING AN APPLICANT IS "NOT A RIGHT", IF THIS IS THE CASE THEN USCIS SHOULD ANSWER TO ANYONE THAT HAS SUIED THEM IS:

"WE DON'T WANT TO GIVE HIM A GREEN CARD BECAUSE WE DONT FEEL LIKE IT AND HE HAS NO RIGHT TO HAVE IT ANYWAYS" SEE IF THIS FLY WITH A JUDGE.

PLEASE GIVE AN ADVICE WHEN YOU KNOW WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT.

WE ARE HERE TO HELP ONE ONE ANOTHER, AND OUR PERSONAL OPINIONS SHOULD NOT BE BROUGHT HERE AS THEY DONT COUNT IN THE EYES OF THE LAW
 
SHAFFI said:
USCIS WANTS YOU TO BELIVE THAT GRANTING AN APPLICANT IS "NOT A RIGHT", IF THIS IS THE CASE THEN USCIS SHOULD ANSWER TO ANYONE THAT HAS SUIED THEM IS:
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It's not a right.
In fact, it's called "benefit".
And we, legit couples, have to go through this hassles just because every year thousands and thousands of criminals try to get this benefits with fraudolent marriages.
 
sarrebal said:
It's not a right.
In fact, it's called "benefit".
And we, legit couples, have to go through this hassles just because every year thousands and thousands of criminals try to get this benefits with fraudolent marriages.
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I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU ARE SAYING AND I KNOW THEY CALL IT A BENEFIT, JUST LIKE OBTAINING A DL, THE FACT IS IF A SOMEONE WAS NOT GIVEN A DL WITH A SOLID GROUNDS OF THE REFUSAL, A LAWYER CAN SUE DMV AND FORCE THEM TO ISSUE A DL. IF YOU SEARCH THE PUBLIC RECORDS, YOU WILL SEE A HUGE NUMBER OF GC APPLICANTS THAT SUED TO GET THEIR GC, USCIS NOT ONCE ARGUED THAT THEY JUST DID NOT FEEL GIVING THE APPLICANT THE BENIFIT BECUASE THEY KNOW WELL THAT THE ARGUMENT IS JUST GOING TO ANGER THE JUDGE.

AS FAR AS FINDING REAL MARRIGES FROM OTHERS, THERE ARE VERY SPECIFIC RULES USCIS IO HAS TO FOLLOW. YOU SAID YOU WOULD NOT BE BOTHERED TO ANSWER SEXUAL QUESTIONES TO THE IO, THAT WOULD BE YOUR CHOICE BUT NOT THEIR AUTHORITY.
FOR MOST APPLICANTS, THEY WOULD RATHER LEAVE SEXUAL QUESTIONES TO THEIR DOCTORS.

I HOPE THIS HELPS.
 
MarineBiologist said:
I'm so sorry. That truly is an awful interview.

Contrary to what Shaffi and Malakai said, it is not violation of civil rights nor is it uncalled for.

Being approved for a green card is not a "right" and unfortunately they are allowed to ask anything they wish to, and they may or may not grant a green card based on their mood.
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You are correct in the fact that GC is NOT a right, & it is anot a Given benefit.
I too believe that the interviews should be thorough and undergo some scrutiny, if the GC process was easy then it would be without integrity.

However I do think the way the Officers treated the originator of this post was UNCALLED For. It was threatnening and could have been done in amore diplomatic tactful manner.

I am not sure if the account she gave was 100% accurate she may have been emtionally overwhelmed and seen thing differently , so who knows if any racial comments were made.

Immigration Officer have to Profile it is a given but they do not have the right to act in the manner they did with this couple.

It is unfortunate and I hope the origianl poster write a letter of complaint and files a formal complaint against this particular DO.

When a person is put under a potential threatning position intimidatimng and over all uncomfortable posisiton they won't be able to answer all questions, and the IO's in this case were out of line! The crossed the line with several comments and even eluded to the idea that the officer was = to a Judge!

This may be a good case for lega action agaisnt the USCIS.
 
SHAFFI said:
Then you need to read closer!!!! They cant ask you about sex, intercorse, ETC.
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Perhaps I missed something in the original post. The most intimate question asked was wether they had a shower this morning.... ah never mind, it was buried farther down.

Either way, USCIS is conducting an investigation as to the state of the marriage, and is entitled to ask all sorts of questions to further said investigation. Considering the vast number of marriage fraud cases that are out there, it's not surprising.

It is unfortunate, but again I don't see a civil rights violation. They can deny the case if they feel the marriage is not bona fide, and you'll need to appeal. Look on the bright side, if this was a CP case there would be no appeal.
 
That interview was very offensive, but I do believe the lady was concerned that your husband has done this before and might do it again.

I believe they increased the scrutiny because one of the guy behind 911 attacks got his GC and USC by marrying a USC. The interviewer seems to be pissed that your husband is doing this for second time. They probably didn't think anything of him till god knows what his first wife gave as reasons for divorce.

At any rate, there is no reason for them to be so mean, they could have just made their decision without offending you this way.
 
Re: the worst interview ever ( mng_shu read this)

Dear mng_chu,

I read your interview story and was almost in tears all over again. The exact same scenario happened to my husband and I during an AOS interview in Bloomington, MN (2004).
I come from a country like your husband's morocco that is looked down upon in the US immigration. My husband and I had known each other for 5 yrs and even lived together for 1.5 yrs before marriage. We went without a lawyer and did not realise that we were setting ourselves up for abuse by not having a lawyer because of my place of origin. We felt we had nothing to hide and didnt need one.

MISTAKE #1: Even if confident have a reputable lawyer with you. That way you cannot be abused. They may hate you for who they think you are but they cannot abuse you with a lawyer present.

Anyway, our first interview was a nightmare. They separated us immediately (I have come to learn that this is the pattern if they are suspicious of you), they asked the most ridiculous questions. The interviewer also twisted questions. He asked me if we had any children and I said not together, but my husband has a child from a preivous marriage. He asked my husband if we had any children together and he said no. He eventually wrote that up as the crux of his denial. The supervisor and interviewer tried to get my husband to withdraw his application telling him all kinds of crazy things and threatening him with fraud. He insisted that he loved me and we married for that reason. He was so disgusted with their tactics and finally, just to get out of there he wrote "I choose to withdraw my application at this time because it does not appear it would be approved." He said he just figured that these people were nuts, and he would withdraw, and reapply and hopefully, we would talk to people with better sense. That's D for you Obviously, he had no clue what the impact of his action was but in hindsight he did what he thought was best under the cirumstances, and I support him.

We have since refiled and are awaiting another interview. This time we plan to go with our lawyer, family, every darn thing.

I know this is hard but please don't let this discourage you or cause you to lose your love for each other. See it as a challenge, regroup and fight it head on.

PS - Another thing - Do not wait for the 2 weeks he said. Immediately you receive a denial letter from them, appeal it immediately (within 2 weeks) - dont let any lawyer delay you - be on top of it.

MISTAKE #2: DO NOT WAIT TO TAKE ACTION. APPEAL! AND IF POSSIBLE, SIMULTANEOUSLY RE-APPLY

Let them know you are not going anywhere. We have come to learn that one of your rights as a USC is that you can chose to fall in love with anyone, and it is your right to be with that person no matter what they think of the person's country of origin. Of course, this is barring that the person you are in love with is not a criminal, or has other issues that would make them ineligible for immigration benefits.

So, you should plan to reapply everything again. You know that your relationship is bonafide - if it takes them seeing you there every year to realize that this is so - then they should be ready to see you yearly.

PPS- Dont forget to smile. Live your lives as best as you can. This too shall pass
 
We didn't go. My husband moved out to his mother for a while. We had problems in our relationships.So our petition was denied.
We just got back together again and I sent the AOS package last week in.
So basically, it dosn't matter, age, race, religion, if your IO jerk - expect troubles.
We had all the docs-pictures, life ins, health ins, bank statements, credit cards, bills,lease.
But our driver licences were with dif addresses, so when they run background check - that's a red flag i think.
And as you can read from my post - they didn't ask as about our live together, they talk to my husband most of the time, how calculative I'm and he (IO) knows girls like me (i'm russian, so???)- when i get papers he (my husband) will never see me again. So they same results can be arranged by signing deportation papers right there.
 
kaktus said:
We didn't go. My husband moved out to his mother for a while. We had problems in our relationships.So our petition was denied.
We just got back together again and I sent the AOS package last week in.
So basically, it dosn't matter, age, race, religion, if your IO jerk - expect troubles.
We had all the docs-pictures, life ins, health ins, bank statements, credit cards, bills,lease.
But our driver licences were with dif addresses, so when they run background check - that's a red flag i think.
And as you can read from my post - they didn't ask as about our live together, they talk to my husband most of the time, how calculative I'm and he (IO) knows girls like me (i'm russian, so???)- when i get papers he (my husband) will never see me again. So they same results can be arranged by signing deportation papers right there.
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I hear you.
My wife is russian, but she's the USC in this case.
I have to say that I unfortunately know a bunch of russians that tried to scam. USCIS knows that and they probably profile on that too.
It's always like this. Because of few bad apples, everybody has to pay.
 
May be IO had some problems with russian women in his real life, you never know:-( so it is a revenge
 
kaktus said:
May be IO had some problems with russian women in his real life, you never know:-( so it is a revenge
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Definitely a possibility ;)

In a perfect world where nobody gets married for a green card, there would be no interview and process would be automatic and very fast.
Unfortunately it's far from perfect.
I lived in Brighton Beach for a couple of years before meeting my wife. I met many Russians that were married just for papers.... there is (was) a real market for sham-marriages in Brooklyn. If I knew this, I'm sure USCIS knew it as well. Same thing with car insurance rates in Brooklyn...crazy high because of high % of frauds. And don't get me wrong...I love Russians and my kids will be half russian and I'm proud of it.
But the system has some kind of self-defense mechanisms....and of course they profile....and many times innocent people like you get involved in this.

I hope this time you'll have less hassles from USCIS. You showed consistency by applying again and you didn't give up.
 
Thats what he meant when he said that he knows girls like me:)

Our IO was from Brooklyn, Coney Island.

That's why.
 
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