Several personal concerns on N-400 application...

Want2BAmerican

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Hello to all, great forum here. This is my first post.

In applying for US Citizenship and completing the N-400, I had 3 areas of concern.

1) I was arrested almost 10 years ago, for a domestic issue, subsequently charged, and then the case was dismissed. I am in the process of obtaining all the court documents which I plan to attach to the N-400. Should I attach additional explaination? The arresting authority states they do not release a copy of the arrest report without a subpeona. Will the arrest and charge cause concern or hinder my application?

2) I obtained a voters registration card (they simply asked when I renewed my license, if I would like to register to vote). Subsequently I voted a couple of times. I honestly did not know that I was not allowed to vote as a non-citizen. I am not am I? I am guessing that is why the application asks. My wife said to me the other day "just tell the truth, I am the one who encouraged you to vote, and so you did." Should I attach explanation for this too? Will this be a concern?

3) When I became a permanent resident I was over 26, however I lived in the US from the age of 20. I have never registered for selective service. I was sent a letter from them years ago, and at the time I responded with the statement that I was "not a resident of the US," and therefore not required to register... This one bothers me. Of course I will just be honest on the application, but will I be questioned on this one? Is this a concern?

Thanks in advance to all those who try and help out with answers.
 
A1: Since the case was dismissed, I don't think it will cause you any grief. Just make sure you take all the documentation you have with regards to the arrest, charges and case dismissal.
A2: This is something I think would cause an issue. USCIS takes a strong stance against non-citizens voting or claiming US citizenship vebally or in writting. Since it is something in the past, I would advise you to do what your wife is suggesting. A consultation with a competent lawyer would also help.
A3: What was your status in the US from the ages of 20 to 26?
 
Want2BAmerican,

Sorry for not being helpful, but if you are serious about getting this right, get professional legal advice. Your circumstances are pretty unique and go beyond simple procedural matters.
 
Well male "illegal aliens" between 18-26 are expected to sign up for Selective Services.
Looking at your overall situation, I would advise hiring an attorney too.
Good luck!!!
 
Yep you definatly have red flags all over that. Was your domestic issue when you were a Permanent Resident? If so, you would have to document that. If you want to write an explanation that's allowed. They will be interested in the details on that one.

As for the voting, that's a huge red flag and possibly could land you in trouble as well.

And yes you were required to register with Selective Service. Now you need to contact them and get them to pardon you and get their statment and attatch that to your documents as well.

Yes definatly get an attourny as you're case has all the makings of Denied on it, not to mention other issues that may be brought upon you. It might actually not be worth trying for citizenship at all in your case. Since you have a green card, you might just want to safe yourself the problems and just keep a hold of that for the rest of your time in the US. I just feel this is going to be a rough ride for you...
 
Hello to all, great forum here. This is my first post.

In applying for US Citizenship and completing the N-400, I had 3 areas of concern.

1) I was arrested almost 10 years ago, for a domestic issue, subsequently charged, and then the case was dismissed. I am in the process of obtaining all the court documents which I plan to attach to the N-400. Should I attach additional explaination? The arresting authority states they do not release a copy of the arrest report without a subpeona. Will the arrest and charge cause concern or hinder my application?

2) I obtained a voters registration card (they simply asked when I renewed my license, if I would like to register to vote). Subsequently I voted a couple of times. I honestly did not know that I was not allowed to vote as a non-citizen. I am not am I? I am guessing that is why the application asks. My wife said to me the other day "just tell the truth, I am the one who encouraged you to vote, and so you did." Should I attach explanation for this too? Will this be a concern?

3) When I became a permanent resident I was over 26, however I lived in the US from the age of 20. I have never registered for selective service. I was sent a letter from them years ago, and at the time I responded with the statement that I was "not a resident of the US," and therefore not required to register... This one bothers me. Of course I will just be honest on the application, but will I be questioned on this one? Is this a concern?

Thanks in advance to all those who try and help out with answers.

The issues especially 2&3 are not very simple issues.
Seems there were some court cases regarding issues 2 and 3 which only well informed attorney can take the clue.
So essence is --people from the portal may not be of much help and you may want to get help from senior attornies as the issue is semi-complex and also to make process more smooth.
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Only lay man's opinion.Not an legal advise.
 
Out of Scope.....

I would be deeply concerned with 2 then 3 and finally for 1 (in that order) and have never known a Citizenship approval when one has listed either of the 2nd or 3rd issue. Absolutely get a good attorney as these issues are simply beyond the people on this forum. We do not want to scare you, but USCIS has been known to deny cases if they had ever claimed (even unintentionally) to be US Citizens and Voting definitley rings the alarm bell. Failure to register with SSS when you were 20 (and undocumented) is another roadblock in your quest to the Citizenship approval.

Lawyers may know of a way.. because we do not..
 
What else can I say, I think you've gotten quite good information. Summing up, you probably will need the help of a good attorney. I agree that the order of issues is 2, 3, and then 1. Probably 1 is not much of an issue, 3, could be solved, but 2 is going to be a tougher cookie. Definitely I think it is worth getting a good attorney, and if you end up applying for naturalization be sure you take your attorney with you to the interview.

My 2 cents.
 
Yep you definatly have red flags all over that. Was your domestic issue when you were a Permanent Resident? If so, you would have to document that. If you want to write an explanation that's allowed. They will be interested in the details on that one.

As for the voting, that's a huge red flag and possibly could land you in trouble as well.

And yes you were required to register with Selective Service. Now you need to contact them and get them to pardon you and get their statment and attatch that to your documents as well.

Yes definatly get an attourny as you're case has all the makings of Denied on it, not to mention other issues that may be brought upon you. It might actually not be worth trying for citizenship at all in your case. Since you have a green card, you might just want to safe yourself the problems and just keep a hold of that for the rest of your time in the US. I just feel this is going to be a rough ride for you...

So what happens if I am denied Citizenship? Is there info on these forums regarding that?

My GC expires in approx 2 years, so I imagine I can renew that. Can I renew that indefinitely, IE. every 9-10 years for the rest of my life? I certainly am not uprooting my wife of 13 years and our 5 children because I voted....

And lastly, I need to contact selective services and see if they will give me a a pardon for lack of registering before I apply for citizenship, is this correct?

If I do use an attorney (I know all here think I am crazy if I don't, so no need to re-iterate that), I wish to have all of my ducks in a row (at least the ducks that I am aware of needing to be lined up) before the intial consultation.

Also, regarding travel outside the US, I can travel with an expired Canadian Passport and my Permanent Resident Card?
 
So what happens if I am denied Citizenship? Is there info on these forums regarding that?

My GC expires in approx 2 years, so I imagine I can renew that. Can I renew that indefinitely, IE. every 9-10 years for the rest of my life? I certainly am not uprooting my wife of 13 years and our 5 children because I voted....

And lastly, I need to contact selective services and see if they will give me a a pardon for lack of registering before I apply for citizenship, is this correct?

If I do use an attorney (I know all here think I am crazy if I don't, so no need to re-iterate that), I wish to have all of my ducks in a row (at least the ducks that I am aware of needing to be lined up) before the intial consultation.

Also, regarding travel outside the US, I can travel with an expired Canadian Passport and my Permanent Resident Card?

As everyone has said you need a lawyer for the 3 questions you have.

As far as I know you cannot travel with an expired passport. You may need to renew your passport. If you do apply for your citizenship and it doesn't get denied or approved adn it has been atleast 60 days and your green card expires, USCIS usually stamps your passport. That way you won' thave to worry about renewing your greencard unless your citizenship is denied. GOod luck to you. I hope i didn't confuse you and good luck.
 
Hello mate

Getting denied for citizenship is not your only concern. You have commited some major blunders. Voting while being LPR is considered a false claim to be US citizen. As a penalty, ineligible non-citizens who knowingly vote may be deported. The ban is permanent and there is no waiver of any kind. I suppose you can feign an ignorance of the law, but often times, ignorance is not an acceptable excuse. If you run into a difficult officer, you could be in for a major shock.

The same goes for your failure to register for selective service. As a resident without temporary visitor visa, you were required to register when you were under 26. Again, your only course of action is to feign ignorance, which is the truth I presume.

Add a doemstic violence issue on top of those, I'll seriously reconsider if applying for citizenship is a sane thing to do.
 
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Want2BAmerican,
Seeing that you hold a Canadian passport, ease of travel cannot be the sole reason for you wanting to take up US citizenship. You need to ask yourself if applying for US citizenship is worth the risks you are willing to take. You may be granted naturalisation after a stern word or two. That is the best case scenario. Worst case scenario may really be painful. So consult a competent lawyer and then ask yourself again if it is worth it.
 
I'm not sure I've seen such a complicated case for quite a while....

How long ago did you register to vote, and how recently did you last cast a vote? As a minimum it needs to be at least 5 years before USCIS will even consider you eligible. If you are determined to pursue naturalization, get advice from (several) immigration attorneys first.

Until these facts are brought to USCIS attention (which will happen when you truthfully fill out the N-400 form), you can probably continue to renew your GC forever. Maybe thats not such a bad thing? Your call.
 
If you are determined to pursue naturalization, get advice from (several) immigration attorneys first.

Very good advice. Speak to SEVERAL immigration only attorney's first. I contacted one local to me today, who claimed to practice 40% of her practice in immigration and naturalization. I actually spoke to the attorney... 27 minute conversation, according to the display on the phone. Honestly, I felt I knew more about the process and documents than she did. Not that she did not know anything, just there is so much info on this site and I have been looking at this form for a couple of years now...

Thank you for answering a couple of my questions, ie. I can continue to reside as a permanent resident as long as I wish.

IIRC Nov '03 is the last time I voted. I believe I voted once before that also. I don't understand the relevance of how long ago it was... As I should still state that I did vote on the N-400, even if I apply 10 years from now, and (of course) refrain from ever voting again.

And actually, travelling outside the country is what brought this up. My Canadian Passport expired 10/2002 - it'll be 5 years expired in a few months. Should I choose to (or be forced to) remain a permanant resident then I need to apply for 'authorization to travel' with the USCIS each time I wish to travel, correct?
 
Check this, you can search for voting inside the document:

http://www.uscis.gov/propub/ProPubVAP.jsp?dockey=724ce55f1a60168e48ce159d286150e2

http://www.uscis.gov/propub/ProPubVAP.jsp?dockey=724ce55f1a60168e48ce159d286150e2

I am not sure if one can claim to have done this unknowingly, that's why the help of a very competent immigration lawyer is so important. I would try to look for immigrant organizations, I am sure they have more experience on this. I hope a good lawyer might help you straighten out this little mess.

On the other hand, I am pretty sure that in Canada it is general knowledge that people who are not citizens of Canada cannot vote. For crying out loud, you cannot even vote when you're out of the country, unless you are planning to come back. I don't know what you were thinking.
 
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Hello to all, great forum here. This is my first post.

In applying for US Citizenship and completing the N-400, I had 3 areas of concern.

1) I was arrested almost 10 years ago, for a domestic issue, subsequently charged, and then the case was dismissed. I am in the process of obtaining all the court documents which I plan to attach to the N-400. Should I attach additional explaination? The arresting authority states they do not release a copy of the arrest report without a subpeona. Will the arrest and charge cause concern or hinder my application?

2) I obtained a voters registration card (they simply asked when I renewed my license, if I would like to register to vote). Subsequently I voted a couple of times. I honestly did not know that I was not allowed to vote as a non-citizen. I am not am I? I am guessing that is why the application asks. My wife said to me the other day "just tell the truth, I am the one who encouraged you to vote, and so you did." Should I attach explanation for this too? Will this be a concern?

3) When I became a permanent resident I was over 26, however I lived in the US from the age of 20. I have never registered for selective service. I was sent a letter from them years ago, and at the time I responded with the statement that I was "not a resident of the US," and therefore not required to register... This one bothers me. Of course I will just be honest on the application, but will I be questioned on this one? Is this a concern?

Thanks in advance to all those who try and help out with answers.


Before I respond to your concerns, I want you to know that-

[1] You DO have a serious problem, which could make you deported for good. And then even having being married with a USC or/and having US born children won't protect you from deportation. Pay attention here-you could face LIFETIME bar to enter into the United States.

[2] You may consult with as many as immigration attorneys you like, but don't forget the fact that ultimately it would be your immigration life on stake than anyone else. That means, think many times and do your homework before making a final decision.

[3] Believe it or not most immigration attorneys don't provide correct/accurate info. Why? I honestly don't know. It could be because they don't know much about a given situation being not specialized in that area of immigration laws, or they just want to be ratained on the case at any cost which makes them to give wrong info. Further, you will NEVER find a consistence in their opinions. If you do a search on this forum and others then you will find that most people who have been deported or those whose cases were messed up were because of their attorney's mistakes. Therefore, it's VERY important to consult with at least 5-7 attorneys before making a final decision. And always do your homework no matter what than relying blindly on anyone's opinion (including attorneys').

[4] You may easily become a US citizen despite of your given situations, but it would entirely depend upon you on how you would answer to these concerns on your application for naturalization. I don't think there are many attorneys out there who would tell you how and what to answer on these concerns because most attorneys (97% of them) won't suggest you how to manipulate things to circumvent immigration laws. They would just hear you out and might give you a positive answer by saying that "Don't worry. I'll take care of it", but it's acutally just to get your case. As for me, then I'm going to put all the cards on the table for you to pick it up from.

Let me break down your questions for a better understanding.

[1] Since the Domestic Violence charge against you got dismissed then you have nothing to worry about. But I want you to know that if you had been convicted on this Domestic Violence charge then it would have been the end of your immigration life in this country for LIFETIME under INA 237(E).

You MUST need to submit a certified copy of 'Dismissal Order' from a court along with your application and a very brief explaination on what happened. But try not to give out too much information though. Also, you would need to bring Orginal Certiflied copy of it with you when you would appear for an interview because immigration officer would definately demand it to keep in your Alien File even though you would send it along with your applicantion. And you would also need to get the copy of the charge/arrest-report because immigration officer most probably would like to see and have it. However, you don't need to send it along with your application, but you would definately need it with you at the time of interview. You can get the copy of it by contacting the arresting authority. And if they are saying that they cannot provide it without a subpeona, then file a motion with the court to get a subpeona so that you could get the required documents about your arrest. It's not that hard/difficult, nor it takes more than a week. Without a Dismissal order, your application for naturalzation will 100% be denied. I could be wrong, but it seems to me that you are not an organized/responsible person; otherwise most people do keep all the documents of such an important incident of their life even after 20 yrs later. Anyway, so long you could provide Dismissal order to INS on this matter, you will be fine.

[2] This issue could be a "death warrant" for you. Why? Because by voting you have indirectly claimed to be a US citizen which is a violation of immigration laws and a sure ground for deportation. Falsely claiming to be a US citizen is 100% a deportable crime with lifetime bar to re-enter into the US. No waiver is permitted in this situation. Thereby, even though your wife is trying to defend you by saying that she was the one who told you to do so, yet still it doesn't cut off the fact that you did violate the immigration laws by registering to vote which makes you automatically deportable for lifetime as per immigration laws. Besides, she is not above the laws even if she might be a natural born US citizen. So if you would tell the truth on this to the INS (either on the application or to the officer at the time of interview) as per the advice of your wife or would try to justify by saying what your wife thinks of you then you would be signing a "death warrant" for your immigration life in this country.

However, if you don't tell the truth on this and/or would never mention about it then INS has no way to know about it. And then this issue will sink for good. But that doesn't mean that I'm encouraging/telling you to lie/hide. It's totally up to you to decide what to do about this issue. I'm here to put all the cards on the table for you to pick up. Telling the truth would be the end of your immigration life for sure, while concealing/hiding the truth on this issue would give you an opportunity to be a US citizen. So, think about it and do what you wanna do. Sometime people should read between the lines.

Nevertheless, you (and others) would be surprised to know that at many places (small counties) here in the US it is completely legal for immigrants (including illegal) to vote. So it would also depend where you live. But then it would still be against the INS laws. I mean, something could be legal in state laws but not in federal laws. In some previously reported cases attorneys had unsuccessfully tried to defend their clients on the ground that these immigrants did not do this willingly, meaning they were not aware of the fact that they shouldn't have registered to vote or shouldn't have voted. Some attorneys also argued by portraying these alleged immigrants as "innocence" of this doing. Unless I've missed, I've not heard even one single case wherein alleged defendant/immigrant was able to stop his/her deportation in the end. Yes, some courts might have agreed to listen/review their case on appeal but that doesn't mean immigrants were able to stop their deportation in the end. So, this issue is the only issue that you should need to worry about.

[3] I don't know how old you are and at what age you became LPR but if you are now over 37 yrs old then this issue is completely mute even though you deliberately failed to register with Selective Service. Read my posting on this matter on one of the sticky threads wherein I've explained this issue in detail. Just you to know that you were actually required to register with Selective Service in the past because you were an illegal and illegal people do required to register too. What you need to do now is-ask for a Status Letter from Selective Service by filling up a form. Selective Service will send you a Status Letter within 4 weeks which you would need to take with you at your interview along with an affidavit. Don't EVER dare to mention to them or INS that you had previously responded to Selective Service back then by saying that you were not required to register due to the fact that you were not a US resident. Because by saying that you deliberately failed to register with Selective Service. Plus, it wasn't up to you to decide whether you were required to register or not. I'm sure after receiving your response, Selective Service mistakenly thought that you were on nonimmigrant status which made them not to contact you anymore especially when you didn't tell them that you were an illegal.

Anyway, don't dare to tell to anyone about what you previously responded to Selective Service when they contacted you. INS won't know about it for sure. And I don't think Selective Service has any record of your that response. When you go to interivew, then just take a notarized affidavit with you by saying that you didn't know about your obligation to register with Selective Service, nor you wilfully failed to register. Don't voluntarily open any issue with the officer. Just you to know that INS is fully aware of the fact that 99.99% of illegal people don't know anything about registering with Selective Service. That's why INS don't even care about it. The only time they care about it is when a male becomes a LPR before the age of 26 and failed to register with Selective Service. You will be fine on this one.

As to your other concerns then if your application gets denied because of bad character then you can refile it after 5 yrs of it's denial. But if your application would be denied for number two concern then you will be deported for good. Every green card holder needs to renew their green card every 10 yrs because the green card remains good just for 10 yrs even though your status as a Legal Permanent Resident would remain valid for good.

At last, don't rely blindly on your attorney if you choose to hire one. I personally don't think you need an attorney because I don't see any issue here except number 2 wherein attorney cannot do anything anyway because you did vote.

Good luck.
 
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And actually, travelling outside the country is what brought this up. My Canadian Passport expired 10/2002 - it'll be 5 years expired in a few months. Should I choose to (or be forced to) remain a permanant resident then I need to apply for 'authorization to travel' with the USCIS each time I wish to travel, correct?

Aren't you mixing the two issues? Even with your Permanent Residence Status (which authorizes you to stay and work here on a Permanent Basis provided you renew every 10 years) you would need your Valid Canadian Passport to travel in and out. Not sure what you mean by 'authorization to travel' with USCIS? How would you travel without any Valid (Non-US) passport just with your Green Card ?
 
To me, you have an easy path...

Renew your Canadian Passport and renew your GC every ten years (which, as far as I can tell is a "get your biometrics done and the card shows up in the mail" process.

Why bother with citizenship - it seems a little risky in your case.
 
Yes koolvik, you are right, I am getting the two mixed up. Thank you for clarifying that. As flydog furthur pointed out, I have the option of remaining a LPR and renewing the Passport for travel purposes.

Perhaps that is what I will pursue first is renewing the passport. Then renewing the GC.

I truly wish to become an American Citizen - however I am not willing to put my family at risk. Additionaly, I feel as if I have matured to a point where I am not willing to compromise my integrity; anytime in the past where I have felt as if I had no option but to lie, in the end I have discovered that the better option would have been to tell the truth from the beginning.

Having a IO ask me if I did not remember that I am registered to vote, or that I have previously voted would be a very akward situation. I would rather tell the truth (and it is 100% true) that I did not realize that I was doing anything wrong when I voted - I truly thought I was doing the right thing... some find that highly unlikely but it is the absolute truth.

My wife and I went for a walk late last night, and in discussing this furthur she said, "you do not live your life as an immigrant, or foreigner, or outsider. Our family is well respected in our community, we are seemingly 'normal people' who contribute in so many ways. Other's do not view you as an 'non-American,' in a day to day sense. Sure with your name and skin tone it is obvious that you have Pakistani heritage; but you lived in Canada for 19 years and here another 15 or so. You have no accent; from what I can tell, you think, walk and talk as an American. But I know you would never claim to be an American Citizen... bottom line is that there is no way I would have encouraged you to vote, or you would have voted had you known it was wrong."

I truly did not know that as a LPR, I was not supposed to vote...

Such is life. We all live and learn.
 
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