Selective services

H

Hannah7

Registered Users (C)
Hello,

it's a rule saying that every male younger then 26 must be registered to the Selective service.

Say, I am war objector and I dont wanna register to U.S. army. I know it's almost only a paperwork ...

Also I wanna maintain LPR status, but dont plan becoming a citizen.

What could happen if I "forget" to register with sss.gov ?
 
For what I know, you cant be a citizen if you dont register to Selective Service. Also, you cant get financial aid. When I was a student, each year, I was asked to bring that paper from selective service.
 
If you got your green card in recent years, they would have automatically registered you for Selective Service if you were a male between 18 and 26. I think they started doing that in 2000.
 
TheRealCanadian said:
Oh, just register. It's not with the US Army and you'll never get called up. The US Military doesn't want people like you anyways.
Click to expand...

So what is it, if not an army?

It isn't a problem in fact, but still I don't wanna be tied to America more than a resident. For my interest ... what would happen if I were in an army in my native country and there was a war between America and my native country? :) tricky situation
 
Hannah7 said:
What could happen if I "forget" to register with sss.gov ?
Click to expand...
Forgot or not, you probably were already registered automatically as I explained in my above post.

If a noncitizen voluntarily signs up for the US military, that's OK because they have shown some sense of loyalty to the US by the nature of their voluntary enlistment. But it is really stupid of the US to seriously consider forcibly drafting noncitizens. Almost all US states have a problem with noncitizens who want to voluntarily serve in the police force, but the US military doesn't see a problem with forcing noncitizens to serve? Ridiculous.
 
Last edited by a moderator:
Hannah7 said:
So what is it, if not an army?
Click to expand...

The Selective Service System is not part of the United States Department of Defense, let alone the US Army. It is a totally separate branch of the US government.

It isn't a problem in fact, but still I don't wanna be tied to America more than a resident.
Click to expand...

The requirement to register is not exactly a secret, nor are any of the other requirements made of permanent residents. Perhaps you should have considered them.

For my interest ... what would happen if I were in an army in my native country and there was a war between America and my native country? :) tricky situation[/COLOR]
Click to expand...

What is tricky about it? In my lifetime, the United States of America has engaged in acts of war against North Viet Nam, Panama, Grenada, Iraq, Yugoslavia, Afghanistan and probably a few others. During that time, exactly ZERO people have been drafted into the US military.

You have better odds of winning the lottery than getting drafted, even if you never buy a ticket.
 
You should register. You get a chance to object (conscientious objector) if you ever get called in case of a draft. You will most likley be asked in that case to get proof of the religious/moral grounds etc. You have every right to refuse to serve. Does not make you any less of a human.

So just because you register does not mean they will ship you off to fight! Read more about it on the SS website.
 
There's nothing saying that non-selective service registrants won't be drafted.

The selective service was a concept before ubiquitous use of SS#s, and before any concept of computers/databases existed. The idea was that the US wanted to know who its men 18-26 were so that if the US re-authorized the draft, it wouldn't take significant effort to track everyone down.

Now they'll just use IRS databases, USCIS databases, credit reports, etc. So you won't be any more unfindable if you don't register. You're just setting yourself up for possible fines, etc if the government finds out you didn't register.

-ML
 
Last edited by a moderator:
what happen in this case?

if you entered US with visitor visa at age 22 then apply to change to F1 but then it was denied. after that stayed in no status until got GC at age 27. now applyin for citizenship . wut are the options to enroll in selective services and how can it impact my n-400. thanx in advance
 
Jackolantern said:
Almost all US states have a problem with noncitizens who want to voluntarily serve in the police force, but the US military doesn't see a problem
with forcing noncitizens to serve?
Click to expand...

That is because police make over $100k in some states while foot soldiers in army make about $25K. Guess which job is in more demand? I recall state of NJ had state security adviser (a gay poet friend of then Governor) who was Israeli citizen. He made well over $150k.
 
Last edited by a moderator:
xt1nct said:
if you entered US with visitor visa at age 22 then apply to change to F1 but then it was denied. after that stayed in no status until got GC at age 27. now applyin for citizenship . wut are the options to enroll in selective services and how can it impact my n-400. thanx in advance
Click to expand...
If you applied for your green card when you were still under 26, in or after the year 2000 (not sure of the exact date, it could be sooner) they probably automatically registered you already as part of the GC process. Otherwise, it is too late to register now.

However, once you turn 31 they cannot deny you for failing to register, unless combined with other offenses that show bad moral character, because the failure to register would then be outside of the 5-year moral character window (i.e. 5 years after turning 26).
 
Jackolantern said:
If you applied for your green card when you were still under 26, in or after the year 2000 (not sure of the exact date, it could be sooner) they probably automatically registered you already as part of the GC process. Otherwise, it is too late to register now.

However, once you turn 31 they cannot deny you for failing to register, unless combined with other offenses that show bad moral character, because the failure to register would then be outside of the 5-year moral character window (i.e. 5 years after turning 26).
Click to expand...

i applied for green card before 26 ,but i am not 31 yet . what are my options then . how to find out that they enroll me automatically .
 
xt1nct said:
i applied for green card before 26 ,but i am not 31 yet . what are my options then . how to find out that they enroll me automatically .
Click to expand...

go to the SSS website and find out. You need to input your personal information on the site and it will tell you about your registration status.
 
xt1nct said:
if you entered US with visitor visa at age 22 then apply to change to F1 but then it was denied. after that stayed in no status until got GC at age 27. now applyin for citizenship . wut are the options to enroll in selective services and how can it impact my n-400. thanx in advance
Click to expand...

If you are within the registration age bracket then as soon as you lose your status as a non-immigrant you are required to register. In other words undocumented male aliens must register. Failure to register will cause problems if/when they have a chance to apply for green cards. One of the requirements of the 1986 amnesty program was registration with SSS.
 
Jackolantern said:
But it is really stupid of the US to seriously consider forcibly drafting noncitizens.
Click to expand...


In the Second World War and to a lesser extent in Vietnam we drafted noncitizens resident here. Many such served with distinction. It helped with the national assimilation of immigrants.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Top