solovei said:Could somebody elaborate on consequences of renewing the national passport for an asylee.
Thanks.
wantmygcnow said:If you renew your NP and Lie on the RTD application. It can be held against you
solovei said:Let me ask you this: how would they ever found out that NP has been renewed? Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think it's a kind of information the embassy of the native country would share w/ Department of State?
I know of a case though, when asylee was coming back to US from the overseas trip, Immigration Officer has asked him if he has any over travel document - the guy said no. He then has been searched, and the Officer has found a National Passport hidden in the luggage... Oh he got in trouble
Is immigration allowed to do such searches? I guess so... But otherwise, I don't see how they else they could find out renewing the NP.
Thank you wantmygcnow.
May be anyone alse has something to add?
usa2002 said:The roster of fake asylees keeps growing.
solovei said:Let me ask you this: how would they ever found out that NP has been renewed? Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think it's a kind of information the embassy of the native country would share w/ Department of State?
I know of a case though, when asylee was coming back to US from the overseas trip, Immigration Officer has asked him if he has any over travel document - the guy said no. He then has been searched, and the Officer has found a National Passport hidden in the luggage... Oh he got in trouble
Is immigration allowed to do such searches? I guess so... But otherwise, I don't see how they else they could find out renewing the NP.
Thank you wantmygcnow.
May be anyone alse has something to add?
solovei said:Let me ask you this: how would they ever found out that NP has been renewed? Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think it's a kind of information the embassy of the native country would share w/ Department of State?
I know of a case though, when asylee was coming back to US from the overseas trip, Immigration Officer has asked him if he has any over travel document - the guy said no. He then has been searched, and the Officer has found a National Passport hidden in the luggage... Oh he got in trouble
Is immigration allowed to do such searches? I guess so... But otherwise, I don't see how they else they could find out renewing the NP.
Thank you wantmygcnow.
May be anyone alse has something to add?
thankful said:As a matter of long standing international refugee law (and common sense!!), an asylee who uses or renews his passport is presumed to have reavailed himself of the protection of his country. As such, his asylum status can be withdrawn by the country of refuge.
solovei said:Yeah, I guess it's not worth it to renew.
I wouldn't do anything which could endanger my status - pretty much the most precious commodity I have.
wantmygcnow said:Well consequence is this. If you ever try to get a RTD, you would have to say "yes" to the question have you ever renewed your passport. Since you can't travel with NP(you dont have your gc) and to come back to U.S, you do need a RTD. Thats why it's not recommened you do that.
If you renew your NP and Lie on the RTD application. It can be held against you because you do sign that application and its a legal document.
And lets say in the future an officer does get suspcious and asks for all your travels, you have to submit an affadavit(a legal document) whhere you can't put "NO I didnt go to my home country" if you did...
I hope this explains is. Its very logical. If you renew your NP, and don't need a RTD, how are you going to come back? With an advance parole? But when you do enter, that would be red flags over it for the USCIS officer.
solovei said:Could somebody elaborate on consequences of renewing the national passport for an asylee.
Thanks.
LenJ said:Hello All,
Guys I have to go back to this issue and would like to ask for your advise :
I renewed my NP after case was approved and now it has a new Expiration Date - Dec 2006.
I do not intend to go the country of origin... just did this renewal for possible travel to other countries like Canada (which I never did)
what would be a good legitimate explanation? how to respond to future requests from INS regarding this metter?
..wantmygcnow, solovei, mmm-mmm, Lazerthegreat, jackdanie7, anyone.. thanks in advance
LenJ said:Hello All,
Guys I have to go back to this issue and would like to ask for your advise :
I renewed my NP after case was approved and now it has a new Expiration Date - Dec 2006.
I do not intend to go the country of origin... just did this renewal for possible travel to other countries like Canada (which I never did)
what would be a good legitimate explanation? how to respond to future requests from INS regarding this metter?
..wantmygcnow, solovei, mmm-mmm, Lazerthegreat, jackdanie7, anyone.. thanks in advance
jackdanie7 said:I cannot say what will be a good reason since I don't know anything about your case. No one here knows except you so think about it and I'm sure in the end you won't need anyone's opinion to validate your action. That said, everyone here knows the problems with RTDs, 1) Applicants of RTDs do not know when they will receive them making it impossible to make travel plans, 2) some countries, like UAE, do not accept RTDs, 3) they are only valid for 6 months literally (as most countries requires them to be valid for at least 6 months before they'll even issue you visa).
There won't be any future requests since you already have your Green Card, if they ask, it will be at the citizenship interview. Before you apply for citizenship, it is always advisable to review your whole immigration history with your attorney to make sure that you haven't done anything inadmissible. It's always better to be prepared, even though the interview itself may actually be a lot simpler than you think. Since you have already been adjusted when you did your National Passport renewal, I highly doubt that they will even ask the question at your interview. If they do, be honest, and tell them - it is not an inadmissible offense by ITSELF.
Good Luck.
Lazerthegreat said:Quite frankly renewing this NP has become a big deal for the past couple of years especially after 911 when CIS became more like a hound dog...... previously I have personally asked them over the phone and they said its ok to renew your NP. A lot of qualified immigration attorneys say even today that its ok to renew NP.
Just be straight with them and tell them that you renewed it ignorantly. You had no intentions of going back or establishing any ties with your country of persecution. Tell them "ONLY" if asked. Don't volunteer information. You would be ok
LenJ said:Thanks jackdanie7,
my case is still pending, I do not have a GC and also did not apply for RTD… just working on RFI request at this time, hoping that everything goes Ok. The question is about Passport, I renewed it in 2001 and now I'm not sure how to respond to CIS if they ask that NP to be sent as an evidence. The officer will probably notice it and I just need a reasonable explanation to be on safe side ??