Proof of Bonafide Marriage or lack thereof : /

hy2934

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Hi Everyone,

My GC interview is coming up (next Tuesday, i.e. Dec. 20th), and we are going through the list of documents we need to bring along. I have collected primarily all the documents mentioned in the interview letter, however we are not sure if we have enough documents to prove our marriage (especially when I compare to other people on this forum). We have:

a) Lease documents for our apt (From Aug '10, we married this May)
b) Joint bank accounts in 2 banks (but my wife doesn't have her credit card from one bank.. she uses mine)
c) Wedding Pics Album (with her family and my friends present.. my parents couldn't come because my dad was bedridden and also they couldn't afford)
d) Other pics from last 1 year.. like 30-40 of them (when we were living together)
e) Mails to prove that we live at the same address
f) Our chats/e-mails when we were dating
g) Holiday cards, wedding ring receipts, gifts receipts
h) Lease for a new house that we will be moving to in Jan next month (we just signed the lease last week)

The thing that concerns us is we don't have joint utility bills or insurance (the car she drives is owned by her mom and she pays for her insurance).
What else do we need to prove that our marriage is in good faith?

Any help will be appreciated. Thanks
 
Nothing to Fear

Coming from someone who went through the process just a couple of months ago, I'd say you have nothing to fear. You have more than enough documents. Did you submit all this stuff with the initial application? From my experience submitting a lot of evidence with the initial application *disarms/convinces* the officer even before you get to the interview.

Our interviewing officer told us that the volume of initial evidence we submitted had made his work very easy.
 
Thanks for the reply.

I just submitted a copy of joint bank account and a copy of our lease with my initial application. Nothing else :/
 
Do you have any other issues? Marriage during Removal Proceedings? Entered illegally? Overstayed a visa? A Visa Waiver entrant? Married immediately after entry? Been out of status for quite a while? Criminal issues? Are you a compatible (ordinary) couple or an odd couple?

If you are legitimate and have no serious issues, you will still only get conditional status based on a recent (less than 2 year old marriage). Conditional status will require a later process to remove conditions (I-751) so there will be deeper scrutiny later rather than up-front.
 
Do you have any other issues? Marriage during Removal Proceedings? Entered illegally? Overstayed a visa? A Visa Waiver entrant? Married immediately after entry? Been out of status for quite a while? Criminal issues? Are you a compatible (ordinary) couple or an odd couple?

If you are legitimate and have no serious issues, you will still only get conditional status based on a recent (less than 2 year old marriage). Conditional status will require a later process to remove conditions (I-751) so there will be deeper scrutiny later rather than up-front.

Thanks BigJoe5 for replying.
There should not be any issue as far as I think. I entered legally on a F-1 visa in 2009. I have never been out of status. My I-20 is valid till mid Jan next year. We lived together for a year (2010-2011) before getting married this May. No criminal issues (apart from one speeding ticket). I don't now if it'll be considered odd or what; I am Indian and my wife is American (we both are 22 yrs old).

No problem, just bring the rest to the interview. You have more than enough evidence.
Thanks Jackolantern! I appreciate you taking time to reply to my thread.
 
(going to go through this process soon myself)

might i add, the marriage certificate itself will help.
 
The thing that concerns us is we don't have joint utility bills or insurance (the car she drives is owned by her mom and she pays for her insurance).
What else do we need to prove that our marriage is in good faith?

Any help will be appreciated. Thanks

You should be fine. I had less documents for my wife going in and the IO hardly looked at any of ours. I didnt have my wife on a majority of things as she didnt have an SS number so I couldnt add her. We brought lots of pics of our wedding and that seemed to appease our IO a lot. Good luck on your interview tomorrow as well.
 
You should be fine. I had less documents for my wife going in and the IO hardly looked at any of ours. I didnt have my wife on a majority of things as she didnt have an SS number so I couldnt add her. We brought lots of pics of our wedding and that seemed to appease our IO a lot. Good luck on your interview tomorrow as well.

Thanks rok8man. I hope I get a nice IO as well. :)
 
@hy2934
Good luck today! I hope your interview is smooth and that all your documents would be sufficient. Come back with good news!
 
Interview Today

Thanks guys. Here is the detailed version:

a) Documents we took:
IL and all the NOA receipts from USCIS (originals + copy of each)
IDs of both of us (DL, SS card, passport)
Birth Certificates of both of us (originals+copies+certified translation by a friend)
Marriage Certificate (original + copy)
IRS transcript of last 2 years
A copy of the entire AOS packet that was sent initially

Evidence of Bonafide Marriage:
Joint Bank Account proof (+ a couple of statements)
Chat logs (when we were dating)
Lease showing that we lived together for a year before marriage
Lease that we just signed for a new house
Wedding Pics
Other pics
Receipts of wedding rings + gifts we bought for each other
Mails showing same address
Greeting cards (holiday + wedding cards) we received from friends and family
Wedding Invitation card
AT&T text log (a bit creepy but it's okay I guess :p )


Interview Experience:
We were scheduled for 10:30 am and we reached the field office at 9:45. After the regular security check, guard took our IL and asked us to be seated. We waited for an hour (so only 15 mins late technically) to be called by an IO. IO was a hispanic guy probably in his 40s. He seemed okay at first and took us to his office. There he asked me to wait outside and took my wife in his office to talk to her alone. He didn't even ask her for any ID or any document and just verified her name and address etc from what was written in the forms. He asked how we met, how we started talking, what interests we had that led to us dating. Then he asked who came to the wedding and wanted her to be specific about the people and wanted her to name them. She mentioned all her family members and friends. Then he asked why my family didn't come. He then asked if she had met any of my family members. She said no as they all are in my home country and we haven't had the chance to go there after marriage. He looked a bit curious and asked her if she's so interested in my culture then why she hasn't tried to meet them or visit my country. Then he started asking her questions about my family. He asked how many sisters do I have. When she told him and named them, he asked if she knew what they do, what companies do they work for and their specific residential address in my country. She obviously didn't know answer to these questions. It was then that he got intense all of a sudden and started questioning her testimony. He told her that she can go to jail for so and so years and can be charged for fraud testimony. He asked her if she felt I was taking advantage of her by marrying her. He asked "how do you know if he's not taking advantage of you?" When she said that it was her who pushed the idea of marriage, he said "yeah, I don't blame you. You felt it was good for career and he must have thought about green card". He would twist her answers and counter question her and make her feel that he is not at all convinced by this marriage and eventually said "Your testimony is terrible". At this moment, my wife completely lost it and said "Is it your job to provoke me because you are being really offensive right now?". He stood by his tactics and tried to break her down by saying that she will be the one to face judicial system and court etc for fake marriage. My wife just lost it completely and started rolling her eyes at him and stopped answering him. He asked if she was getting bored to which she replied "No, I am just very insulted by your statements right now". Then she stared crying a bit and said "I feel stupid because my hubby told me to prepare for this and I just blew it off because you will ask questions about marriage and proof". He told her that its not a walk in the park. I am here to judge as it is a federal case. He got her some water and tissues and when he came back he was more relaxed and started asking her about her school, our city, her family background and stuff. this whole drama went for around 25-30 mins.

Then he came out and called me. When I first entered the room, I saw my wife with a bit red eyes and I was like "What the hell happened in here?". But she smiled at me and I felt at ease. IO then went over the forms, verified my name, DOB etc. He then asked what visa did I come on, where do I study, what do I study. He asked who filled out the paperwork. I told him that it was me. He said "you did well! (yay!)". He then asked those "Yes/No" questions on I-485 form. After that, he said "you know why your wife is crying?". I said "No idea". He said "because she loves you" (lame, but whatever). He then just started chatting. like my new job, new city, plans for christmas, mexican food etc. He then said "you're approved.". He asked me for my passport, stamped it and put a seal. Explained to me the process for ROC. And he sad "you should get your GC in 2-3 weeks". And that I can become citizen in 3 years. I asked him if he needed to see any evidence. He in all seriousness said "Evidence doesn't mean crap to me. Anyone can fabricate the evidence. I can make you a US passport right now (really?). I just see the people and judge as thats the hardest to fake. People can't bullshit me. Your wife spoke well (again, really?)". I was a little sad that we put a lot of effort in getting together all the documents and he didn't look at shit. Didn't even look at DLs, marriage certificates, Leases, pics, EAD card, or SS card.

So that was it. I am happy that this entire process is over for at least next couple of years. My wife is happier since she was the one who was asked all the questions and was intensely "grilled".

I haven't received any e-mail notification and the status still says "Testing and Interview". Hoping it'll change soon and I get my GC.

If you have any questions, I will be more than happy to help with whatever little knowledge I have acquired over the past 4-5 months.
 
Wow thank God you had a happy ending. While reading I was like "are they really allowed to go to this extreme?"

Congrats and after all that, you deserve it
 
It's great that you got the approval, but that IO was being a real idiot. Harassing your wife like that was uncalled for. And while it is true that documents can be forged, he's forgetting that they can also be verified. If your wife presented a fake US passport, even if it looks genuine USCIS could do cross-checks to find out that it's fake. Same thing with bank accounts, utility bills etc. where a third party can do the verification.
 
It's great that you got the approval, but that IO was being a real idiot. Harassing your wife like that was uncalled for. And while it is true that documents can be forged, he's forgetting that they can also be verified. If your wife presented a fake US passport, even if it looks genuine USCIS could do cross-checks to find out that it's fake. Same thing with bank accounts, utility bills etc. where a third party can do the verification.

Yeah, I guess you are right. Its one thing for IO to not speak much and just ask questions in normal manner, and a completely different thing to just shoot out questions, twist the answers to confuse the people even more, and scare them about jail and stuff.
Its very surprising though that he behaved in such a manner only to my wife who is a USC. When I went in, he was all normal. For the last 5-8 mins of interview, he was smiling at me and talking as if nothing ever happened.

Regarding the evidence, I felt the same way too. Plus I know that we have to put all these docs in the file for ROC process anyways, so he could've have just put some already in the file. But meh. :D
 
Its very surprising though that he behaved in such a manner only to my wife who is a USC. When I went in, he was all normal. For the last 5-8 mins of interview, he was smiling at me and talking as if nothing ever happened.

Because he's a bully and knows if he treated her that way in your presence, you would have kicked his butt. I am glad it all worked out in the end...congrats!
 
Letters and Photos

Wondering how you guys have shown/diffrentiated pictures of 'before marriage' and 'after marriage'.

Have you printed them with date/time on it? Otherwise how you make them understand that which photos belong to which duration?

Sorry for the dumb question :)

Also, how we can show letters/greeting cards sent to each other. Do we need to keep the envelopes as well, as with evelopes only we can show when those were received/mailed out?

Sorry for the dumb question :)



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