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We got to have some sense of humor

ayyubov

Why am I not surprised??? They gonna take their sweet time (as always)

After suffering whatever happened in our countries, we got to have some of sense of humor, right?


Because, Oh yeah!, "They gonna take their sweet time (as always)" Thanks for saying that... it made me laughed.

Hopefully things will change with all that is happening ... who knows :o
 
Hey ayyubov and henri97 - no offense, but it would help to push that date if your names would be on the list of people faxing letters to congress, don't you agree?

May be it's time to check out that other thread with over 2,000 views - you know which one I am sure.

Looking forward to your posts and some actions!

Thanks,
L.
 
Well Said, Lusiks

Lusiks, I'm noticing that trend too. Some members are posting their replies to almost every thread but yet they don't have time to get up and do something to help themselves. Sending emails, faxes or letter outweigh the efforts if we can achieve our desired results. As asylees we should all know that we'll not get a better opportunity than this. Although some people will not benefit as much (Myself included) but think about those who are in line for 15-20 years and future asylees.
Everyone let's do our part before this opportunity passes on by.....
 
Tell you the truth I don't believe that by sending letters or faxes would change or improve anything. I suppose to wait for my green car dtill 2012 and in the situation as all of you. But I gave up to fight. It's not gonna change anything. Somebody made a law (stupid law about 10000 asylees to be adjusted per year) and it will take them time to change it. I don't really thing they read our letters (maybe their secretaries)
 
henri97 said:
After suffering whatever happened in our countries, we got to have some of sense of humor, right?


Because, Oh yeah!, "They gonna take their sweet time (as always)" Thanks for saying that... it made me laughed.

Hopefully things will change with all that is happening ... who knows :o


I'm with you. I hope and pray everyday.
 
about endorsing this 418 bill

Hey ayyubov and henri97 - no offense, but it would help to push that date if your names would be on the list of people faxing letters to congress, don't you agree?

I would have already sent letters and faxes to senators for this particular bill (418); however, I do have problems with the (main) part of it that may block people from getting asylum in the first place. For sure the bill serve us (people like me), that have already our asylum status granted. I do want asylee adjustment cap removed, but at what cost? I am trying to put myself in the shoes of the people that will be applying for asylum in the future if the bill is passed as it is; unfortunately this bill could send back people that should not be returned to their countries. That's where I am now. I have in the past sent faxes/letters/emails to senators and congress men and women to inform them about the adjustment caps issue for us asylees. And I will soon send them letters and/or faxes (before they start voting on the issue). I frankly don't know if I want to endorse it, and I repeat, the bill as it is.

I really appreciate all the coments and the effort that a lot of you have put into this battle. Just remember that if this bill is passed (as it is), it could have sent some (or many) of us back to the places/countries we do not call home anymore.

Thanks
 
Lazerthegreat said:
If you just "hope" & "pray" everyday then you are definitely going to wait till 2012...

nothing takes place of "action"


Well, I don't really believe that they really care about all your efforts (no offense). As much as I know about laws in USA it's really hard to change a law. Trust me I'll be happy to get a green card tomorrow, very happy. But it might turn to a situation comperable to this: when person pee's against a wind. I wish all the luck to all the asylees to get a happiness and their adjustment very fast.
 
wow.. Surely some people are going to sit down, soak and chant about being the unfortunate asylee- however they have decided to nothing about the situation. :rolleyes: :(

Well, America is where it is today because some courageous people decided voiced their concerns. Its not like we are faxing our letters to stonewall.
 
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To ayyubov and henri97

You know it is really your constitutional right to do or not to do things - nobody is forcing you. But these excuses are not convincing at all. It's hard to change laws in USA? Yes, that is correct, although I would argue that may be this is THE ONLY country where you can actually have an impact on the change process (did you feel more powerful in your home country?).

May be what you are trying to say is that it's hard to INITIATE a change in a law being an individual. Once again, correct, it's almost impossible. That is why it is IMPERATIVE to take action NOW when that change is INITIATED and this will not happen again, at least not soon.

By your excuse you just proved the opposite argument to be correct.

As for the other provisions of the bill that you disagree with - there are plenty people who HAS sent faxes and specified in their letters which provision he/she is supporting and which ones opposing. Nobody is asking you to give up your beliefs and blindly support the whole bill. What we are trying to accomplish here is to make sure our provision will not be left out/traded in for something else. So, that is not an excuse not to fax at all.

In general, with this kind of attitude you will not achieve much in this country. Wish you luck anyway.

Thanks,
L.
 
While live here I achieved a lot already. I'm going for my master, I have a very good job, house, family, car. I travel once a year anywhere I want (well almost anywhere). Bieng an asylee doesn't bother me. Thats my point. You won't become richer or poorer by getiing green card. It's just a matter of time. I know a lot of citizens who can't even pay their bills and their status don't help them at all.
 
ayyubov said:
Tell you the truth I don't believe that by sending letters or faxes would change or improve anything. I suppose to wait for my green car dtill 2012 and in the situation as all of you. But I gave up to fight. It's not gonna change anything. Somebody made a law (stupid law about 10000 asylees to be adjusted per year) and it will take them time to change it. I don't really thing they read our letters (maybe their secretaries)

Getting GC in 2012 is fine, but it is better to get early. Taking some actions are better than doing nothing. Just like jobs, if you do not apply for it, you will certainly not get the job except your relatives or friends owned companies.

Don't give up. You will have bright future.
 
Dear ayyubov,

Obviously we have different ideas about achievements. Sorry to see that yours are all correlated only to the amount of money you earn.

I was talking about more than just paying your bills and travelling once a while. Yes, for doing this it doesn't matter who you are. While being an asylee doesn't bother you, it is still a fact that you are not a full member of this society. Potentially something may change tomorrow, your asylee status can be revoked and you will be nobody with no life perspective. And please don't tell me that when you come back to US from one of your trips INS officer at the airport treats you the same way as a US citizen? This is just one of the examples of how far are we from being considered a full society member, but for me only this is making all the fighting worth. I'd like to go to a vacation and come back as a normal person without going through secondary checkpoint and answering 100 stupid questions asked by an officer who hardly speaks English and has an IQ that is many times lower than mine and in the best case has a mediocre knowledge of US Immigration Law.

I am talking about getting what we are entitled to by the US legislation - permanent residency card in REASONABLE timeframe and US citizenship 4 years after that. I am talking about BEING EQUAL to normal citizens.
That is the least achievement that I set for myself. Having a MBA degree, good job and fancy car do not bring me closer to this goal.

L.
 
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lusiks said:
Dear ayyubov,

Obviously we have different ideas about achievements. Sorry to see that yours are all correlated only to the amount of money you earn.

I was talking about more than just paying your bills and travelling once a while. Yes, for doing this it doesn't matter who you are. While being an asylee doesn't bother you, it is still a fact that you are not a full member of this society. Potentially something may change tomorrow, your asylee status can be revoked and you will be nobody with no life perspective. And please don't tell me that when you come back to US from one of your trips INS officer at the airport treats you the same way as a US citizen? This is just one of the examples of how far are we from being considered a full society member, but for me only this is making all the fighting worth. I'd like to go to a vacation and come back as a normal person without going through secondary checkpoint and answering 100 stupid questions asked by an officer who hardly speaks English and has an IQ that is many times lower than mine and in the best case has a mediocre knowledge of US Immigration Law.

I am talking about getting what we are entitled to by the US legislation - permanent residency card in REASONABLE timeframe and US citizenship 4 years after that. I am talking about BEING EQUAL to normal citizens.
That is the least achievement that I set for myself. Having a MBA degree, good job and fancy car do not bring me closer to this goal.

L.

Hey guys.... What's the deal with everything? no matter if u still an asylee, or if you are now a green card holder or even citizen...we wil allways be..second hand Citizens because we were not born here and period..so stop arguing about differences between green card holders and asyless. There are no differences, we have the same benefits , and rights. The only difference that we have with other people ( citizens) is the right to vote and some restrictions in certain types of jobs, like federal works or works related to national security( FBI,CIA,NASA, etc ).. ... This is my personal opinion. I hope somebody shares it.
 
NASA is not national security..You can get a job in NASA..also in Postal Service..many federal govt only require a GC...You can even join the army/navy
 
Again, I don't think this is just about jobs that you can get.
The bottom line is if you want to settle for your current limited position (I am talking about asylees who are not even GC holders yet) - fine. But there are some of us who won't.

L.
 
lusiks said:
Again, I don't think this is just about jobs that you can get.
The bottom line is if you want to settle for your current limited position (I am talking about asylees who are not even GC holders yet) - fine. But there are some of us who won't.

L.

I think people took wrong the word I used before " second hand citizen", what I tried to do is to use an old word that I heard time ago by a person from the conservative wing of this country at the time to talk about people who became citizen in this country after 5 years of being legally resident in this country. Is there other word that can be used to describe us then?..I don't feel like we will get all the real recognition by all the people that was born here as citizens, specially from Ultra conservative people.

By the way, LusiKs....your Governor still have the Austrian citizenchip, he has de USA-Austrian nationality...how u call that then?.. . Also, I'm pretty sure that at least 90% of all asylees after they become citizens will keep renewing their country passports and that includes people that came to this country by other ways, family petitions, H1B visas , etc, well... for me then, is not like a complete citizenship, is a split one, should they be called second hand??..who knows...but is different and that's for sure.

Regarding, work..u are right wantmygcnow u can work in federal institutions..no doubt about it...but regarding NASA I don't think so. I lived in Houston and I even applied for a job there. U have to be a citizen to actually work there. U can work for companies that do services to the NASA but not in the NASA by itself.

Changing topics.... in theory Lusiks..if people come to this country they should feel secure and confident of their cases and of the freedom that this country is offering them. I know is hard for people, even me , that still waiting for my gc, to feel secure because you still have the nightmares that your case will be open again or something like that...but people need to be secure and confident that it won't happen. There are laws that protects asylees. There are State laws that say that if you have a process pending in the INS, for more than 4 years,in this case for adjustment of status GC, u automatically become a permanent resident of this country there's no way they can kick u out, u are a resident already but you don't have the plastic card..and that's all unless u do a crime or something like that. Every State has protection laws for people with pending change of status, it depends only of years of waiting for the State to consider you a permanent resident. That's my understanding. What is a fact is that many asylees are missinformed.
 
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