Is Online Printed Passport form acceptable at Oath Ceremony

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GungaDin

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Is Online Printed Passport form acceptable at Oath Ceremony (Answer: No)

I seem to have made a typo (Handwritingo) on the passport form I received from USCIS (the one that is pre-printed with 'Oath at Naturalization ceremony' in the official section of Page 1.)

Anyone used an online-filled form at the Oath ceremony?
 
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Are you talking about DS-11? If so, you can use either online pre-printed DS-11 or blank one filled by yourself.
 
König said:
Are you talking about DS-11? If so, you can use either online pre-printed DS-11 or blank one filled by yourself.
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Yes, DS-11 (so I can use the online one that I printed myself at the Oath Ceremony?)
Just wanted to confirm before I stapled my pictures to the form.
 
Yes, using the online form is fine. You don't specifically need to use the one at DO pre-stamped with "oath at naturalization ceremony "
 
I got my yellow oath letter at the interview building immediately after my successful interview. Prior to my actual oath date in June, should I be expecting some letter or package from the USCIS in the mail which would include a passport application form? If so, what else should I be getting in the mail?
 
JPBoston said:
I got my yellow oath letter at the interview building immediately after my successful interview. Prior to my actual oath date in June, should I be expecting some letter or package from the USCIS in the mail which would include a passport application form? If so, what else should I be getting in the mail?
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No, you'll only get oath letter in the mail from USCIS.
Some DO's have passport applications available at the oath ceremony itself.
 
Bobsmyth said:
No, you'll only get oath letter in the mail from USCIS.
Some DO's have passport applications available at the oath ceremony itself.
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I already got the yellow oath letter at the interview site so I won't be getting anything in the mail from the USCIS, right? I'm a little confused by GungaDin's statement where he says: "passport form I received from USCIS (the one that is pre-printed with 'Oath at Naturalization ceremony' in the official section of Page 1.)" . This sounded like he also got a preprinted passport form as well with his oath letter. I realize his oath ceremony is today but it sounds like he got this ahead of time and he is not talking about it after his oath ceremony had concluded.
 
JPBoston said:
This sounded like he also got a preprinted passport form as well with his oath letter..
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No. When they give your certificate of naturalization, they give yoru a package that inlude many things - certificate is eneseential but package may include passport application form, SSN number application/replacement form plu sother
stuff like a citizen's almanac)
 
Let me answer my own question. NO, the online printout is not acceptable (at least at the San Francisco DO Oath ceremonies).
The reason being that there is nobody around with a stamp/seal to verify your Oath so one has to use the one you get from USCIS at the interview. (It says something like 'Oath administered at the Naturalization Ceremony' Or something similar )
They just had me correct and initial the change so it wasn't a big deal.
The other issue was that USCIS/USPS changed the fee for the express return of the passport so for anyone applying at the Oath Ceremony, don't fill out the check in advance, they'll tell you if there are any changes in fees. (I had to change and initialize the check as well).
 
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GungaDin said:
Let me answer my own question. NO, the online printout is not acceptable (at least at the San Francisco DO Oath ceremonies).
The reason being that there is nobody around with a stamp/seal to verify your Oath so one has to use the one you get from USCIS at the interview. (It says something like 'Oath administered at the Naturalization Ceremony' Or something similar )
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Ok I knew there was something confusing and I was right. GungaDin, you're saying you got a passport application form at your interview which had the "oath administered at naturalization" text somewhere on it. All I got from my interview was the oath letter and that was why I had asked earlier whether I should be expecting other material prior to the oath day. Interesting that different DO do different things.

Most importantly, hearty congratulations on officially becoming a citizen today! :) Party well!
 
GungaDin, I am confused too...on what you say here...

Oath Ceremony and DS 11 passport application are two different things and managed by different government agencies. Yes, once you get your US Naturalization, you can apply for US Passport at US Passport Agency or designated Passport office (at USPS etc). Yes, you can print online form and pre-populate and then date/sign it right after the ceremony and apply for passport on the same day with Naturalization Cert, 2 Pictures and fee.

Perhaps, your DO, as courtesy, provides the blank forms for DS11, again USCIS has nothing to do with US Passport application since it is managed by US State Dept/its agencies....
 
Strictly speaking, is it a crime to fill out the passport ap[plication form and sign it before completing oath in order to save time?
 
WBH said:
Strictly speaking, is it a crime to fill out the passport ap[plication form and sign it before completing oath in order to save time?
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But if, after their successful interview, someone is handed a passport form along with their oath letter, isn't the Govt encouraging you to do that? I'm agreeing with you that it isn't a crime.
 
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I am not clear what the difference is. But here's my best guess. I would expect this verbiage to make a difference IF and ONLY IF they do not take away your naturalization certificate along with the form. Because in that case, the eligibility and authenticity is confirmed by the CIS seal. However, the passport processing still happens somewhere else and I am sure that department would like to see the certificate, and that's where I am not clear how they handle this end of the process. Gunga Din can confirm if his NC was taken away.
 
WBH said:
Strictly speaking, is it a crime to fill out the passport ap[plication form and sign it before completing oath in order to save time?
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JPBoston said:
But if, after their successful interview, someone is handed a passport form along with their oath letter, isn't the Govt encouraging you to do that? I'm agreeing with you that it isn't a crime.
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sanjoseaug20 said:
I am not clear what the difference is. But here's my best guess. I would expect this verbiage to make a difference IF and ONLY IF they do not take away your naturalization certificate along with the form. Because in that case, the eligibility and authenticity is confirmed by the CIS seal. However, the passport processing still happens somewhere else and I am sure that department would like to see the certificate, and that's where I am not clear how they handle this end of the process. Gunga Din can confirm if his NC was taken away.
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WBH, it is OK to fill out the application before you are naturalized. You just can't sign it as that has to be done AFTER you swear that everything on the applicaiton is true. So no Crime committed :)

jpboston/sanjoseaug20:
At the SF DO, when you go in for the interview, they hand you a gray envelope with the passport form (and a couple of additional flyers) in it.
You can fill out the form (except the signature part as the form clearly tells you NOT to sign the form until asked to so so).
The specific form number is DS 11 10 2007 2 (The one you print off online ends in 1) and in the space below the signature where it says "(Seal) Signature of person Authorized to accept applications" it is printed "OATH ADMINISTERED AT NATURALIZATION CEREMONY" (don't have the exact verbiage).
They do a group 'Passport Oath' after the Naturalization Oath and then they tell you to sign the application. So nobody from the Passport Office actually signs the passport form and you can't take the form anywhere else as the space for the acceptor's signature is taken up by the pre-printed phrase.
(and yes, they do take the NC)
 
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Interesting stuff. I've learned so much in the last week or so. GungaDin, so you essentially did this group passport oath, signed your passport application and then handed it in right there? Did you have to submit your Nat Cert along with it? I suspect the answer is yes but was wondering nevertheless.

BTW instead of this application process at the oath ceremony, if I was doing it later, is there any particular advantage of filling up and printing the online passport application versus just printing out the blank DS-11 form and filling by hand? Apart from the neatness aspect?
 
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JPBoston said:
Interesting stuff. I've learned so much in the last week or so. GungaDin, so you essentially did this group passport oath, signed your passport application and then handed it in right there? Did you have to submit your Nat Cert along with it? I suspect the answer is yes but was wondering nevertheless.

BTW instead of this application process at the oath ceremony, if I was doing it later, is there any particular advantage of filling up and printing the online passport application versus just printing out the blank DS-11 form and filling by hand? Apart from the neatness aspect?
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They did take the Natz Certificate.
We signed the PP application after the 'Group Oath'. We got the NC about 20 mins later. We put both in the envelope, with the 2 pics and check, sealed the envelope shut and handed it to the Passport people on the way out.

Regarding the hand filled v/s computer generated form, the computer generated form has a barcode/blockcode on it which supposedly contains all the data you entered on the form. That makes the processing quicker and more accurate. I had taken an online filled form with me just in case but they told me that only the 'special' form was acceptable at the Oath ceremony.
 
GungaDin said:
They did take the Natz Certificate.
We signed the PP application after the 'Group Oath'. We got the NC about 20 mins later. We put both in the envelope, with the 2 pics and check, sealed the envelope shut and handed it to the Passport people on the way out.

Regarding the hand filled v/s computer generated form, the computer generated form has a barcode/blockcode on it which supposedly contains all the data you entered on the form. That makes the processing quicker and more accurate. I had taken an online filled form with me just in case but they told me that only the 'special' form was acceptable at the Oath ceremony.
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I get the feeling that Massachusetts oath ceremonies do not have the on-the-spot passport application aspect to them because I didn't get this specific passport application form that you got over where you are. So based on what you said, it makes great sense to do the online application process because of the efficiencies involved.
 
JPBoston said:
I get the feeling that Massachusetts oath ceremonies do not have the on-the-spot passport application aspect to them because I didn't get this specific passport application form that you got over where you are. So based on what you said, it makes great sense to do the online application process because of the efficiencies involved.
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We do not have this in Chicago....It is not a bad idea....perhaps, USCIS and State Dept....should add option for N-400 applicantion to automatically apply for US passport. It is a good revenue source for government, it streamlines the process, as USCIS already has all data one needs for DS-1 application.
 
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