Immigration Service fingerprints of greencard holders at airport,Greencard rights are protected

Nicejoe said:
I thought CBP or IO have the authority to turn away the GC holders if they need to.
Click to expand...

No - they find you inadmissible and then place you in removal proceedings. You always have the right to contest. Now they may place you under arrest and keep you locked up - but you can call someone and still have to go to court. For example, someone I know committed a crime in the US and then left and came back - GC was taken away and individual was placed under arrest - but was given a phone call. Family members got a lawyer - went to court - got it resolved and PR status was reinstated.

I've heard of instances when CBP has determined someone never lived in the US when they crossed from the CDN border and cut their GC in half. But they were still given the option to contest it. Some don't and that is when you are turned away. The only way you will be turned away is if you officially surrender your permanent resident status. So never do that and you will be sent to an Immigration Judge for final decision.
 
Hannah7 said:
What I am asking you and myself: Is there any obligation for either hotels or hostels to report data of people who stay there? Because if I.N.S would know that detail, it would cast a shadow on my status I think.
Click to expand...

I do not believe hotels or hostels report anything to the immigration authorities if nothing is out of ordinary. This type of information is collected mostly for emergencies, in case you go missing and they are questioned. Or say you didn't pay all your bills and disappeared, this will give them some way to track you down.


Stoned!
 
StonedAnt said:
I do not believe hotels or hostels report anything to the immigration authorities if nothing is out of ordinary. This type of information is collected mostly for emergencies, in case you go missing and they are questioned. Or say you didn't pay all your bills and disappeared, this will give them some way to track you down.


Stoned!
Click to expand...

Yeah that seems to be the main purpose. I'm just paranoid person :)
 
WBH said:
The OP's concern is still justified. He had something in the past before getting the GC. GC was granted anyway and he did not hide anything.
Assuming USCIS granted GC properly, his offense should not be an inadmissble one. otherwise he would not have got his GC approved. but now He worry what will happen if he gets picked up at the border.

The border control may not know what is admissible and what is not
since it is complicated legal issues.

It should also be note that deportability and inadmissibility are not identical.
A domestic violence offense is deportable but not inadmissible unless
it involve moral turpitude.

Inadmissibility applies both when you physically enter USA or adjust your status to PR.

For most it is not an issue. For some it is.
Click to expand...


You got my point. The border control may not know what is admissible and what is not. If they can't figure it out when they see someone had legal issues beofore, we GC holders may suffer from a short detention or end up in an immigration jail/court. We will miss the work, can get fired by our employers among this economic recession. That is why I want get a citizenship as soon as I can.
 
Nicejoe said:
Anyone want share their experience with US-Visit?
Click to expand...

I believe a GC holder on these forums had already posted their experience with the US-VISIT program. He was sent to the visitors line and fingerprinted.

A month ago, couple of people from my company's UK office came to the US, and I asked them about it. They did mention that they had to register on the DHS website and were fingerprinted on arrival, all five fingers.


Stoned!
 
StonedAnt said:
They did mention that they had to register on the DHS website and were fingerprinted on arrival, all five fingers.
Click to expand...

Yes all green card holders are being fingerprinted.

What do you mean by registering on the DHS website? I haven't heard that.

I guess US citizens are gonna be fingerprinted soon.
 
Hannah7 said:
I guess US citizens are gonna be fingerprinted soon.
Click to expand...
That won't happen soon. The law only authorized fingerprinting of aliens, and if they want to amend the law to include citizens they have to deal with the fact that citizens can vote. However, as freedoms are eaten away little by little, eventually after 20 or 30 years the citizens will accept fingerprinting at the POE. Especially if there is another terrorist attack on US soil.
 
Jackolantern said:
That won't happen soon. The law only authorized fingerprinting of aliens, and if they want to amend the law to include citizens they have to deal with the fact that citizens can vote.
Click to expand...

And you also voted for biometric passports where your fingeprints are included as well?

I think that citizens will not be asked whether they wanna be fingeprinted or not. Obviously the government is trying to control all people ...
 
Hannah7 said:
And you also voted for biometric passports where your fingeprints are included as well?

I think that citizens will not be asked whether they wanna be fingeprinted or not. Obviously the government is trying to control all people ...
Click to expand...


Who told you that US passports contain fingerprints?
 
TheRealCanadian said:
Citizens already accept fingerprinting at the DMV, for biometric purposes. I don't see what's different.
Click to expand...
The DMV in my state doesn't do fingerprinting.

In addition, for the DMVs that do it, the fingerprinting of citizens is done only once every 4 or more years, which is not the same as being fingerprinted after every foreign trip.

But most importantly, people are more tolerant of it at the state level, because they have more power to vote out a state government if they get out of line and start using the fingerprints for more intrusive purposes (e.g. boarding a train or entering a school), as their votes aren't competing against other states. And they can move to another state if voting them out doesn't work.
 
Last edited by a moderator:
Mr Vertigo said:
Who told you that US passports contain fingerprints?
Click to expand...

Many European passports contain fingerprints nowadays or are going to contain them soon. And nobody asked whether we want or not :)

To your question. I don't know about US passports but I believed that America is step before Europe.
 
Hannah7 said:
Many European passports contain fingerprints nowadays or are going to contain them soon. And nobody asked whether we want or not :)

To your question. I don't know about US passports but I believed that America is step before Europe.
Click to expand...

US Passports do not contain fingerprints. The US is ahead on security of passports, but fingerprints are only one aspect of that.
 
Jackolantern said:
The DMV in my state doesn't do fingerprinting.
Click to expand...

So what? The point is that fingerprinting of US citizens is happening in other states, with no problem whatsoever.

In addition, for the DMVs that do it, the fingerprinting of citizens is done only once every 4 or more years, which is not the same as being fingerprinted after every foreign trip.
Click to expand...

If you have biometrics, it's only logical that you compare against them.

To be honest, I fail to see what the fuss is about. Your Driver's License already has biometric data which is constantly sampled against you every time you hand it over. It's called a photograph. No one has a problem when one compares a photograph against you, yet everyone gets bent out of whack when we compare fingerprints like it's so much worse or they'll discover something that a simple name check won't dig up.

Heck, we already use biometric data on bus passes too!
 
TheRealCanadian said:
To be honest, I fail to see what the fuss is about. Your Driver's License already has biometric data which is constantly sampled against you every time you hand it over. It's called a photograph. No one has a problem when one compares a photograph against you, yet everyone gets bent out of whack when we compare fingerprints like it's so much worse or they'll discover something that a simple name check won't dig up.

Heck, we already use biometric data on bus passes too!
Click to expand...

I think you're comparing apples and oranges here. There's a difference between a document you acquire once every 5 years or longer and being fingerprinted after each and every single foreign trip you take.
 
Mr Vertigo said:
I think you're comparing apples and oranges here. There's a difference between a document you acquire once every 5 years or longer and being fingerprinted after each and every single foreign trip you take.
Click to expand...

But I'm still confused as to why people are up in arms about fingerprinting in general - we constantly do biometric validation on photographs? Why is a digital image of our fingerprints so much worse than an image of our face?

Is it the criminal connotation?
 
TheRealCanadian said:
But I'm still confused as to why people are up in arms about fingerprinting in general - we constantly do biometric validation on photographs? Why is a digital image of our fingerprints so much worse than an image of our face?
Click to expand...

I can only tell you what I think about it:

1. After a long foreign trip, the last thing I want is yet another bureaucratic step in my passport control.
2. We only do validation photographs once every 10 years for a passport, while the US-VISIT, if expanded to include citizens, will be for each and every trip we ever take. That's a lot worse than 1 photograph every 10 years.
3. Fingerprinting and biometrics is a process we as citizens/permanent residents don't have any information on: with a photo, we see that it's us and understand that it's going to be attached to a passport. With biometrics we have no such information, and have no idea how long they're storing them for or what they use them for.
4. Having to declare your innocence over and over again is a nuisance at best, and is just another step in the government treating you like a criminal until you prove otherwise.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Top