TheRealCanadian
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What limitations? What proposals? It all depends on the specifics.
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Immigration reform what about family
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What limitations? What proposals? It all depends on the specifics.
"Under the White House proposal, legal immigrants would lose the right to petition to bring adult children and siblings to the U.S. They could do so for spouses and minor children, but their ability to sponsor parents would be severely limited.
The proposal would limit or end preferences for people who had family members living legally in the U.S., "
What does this mean for USC sponsoring parents for greencard?
The proposal would limit or end preferences for people who had family members living legally in the U.S., "
What does this mean for USC sponsoring parents for greencard?
"Under the White House proposal, legal immigrants would lose the right to petition to bring adult children and siblings to the U.S. They could do so for spouses and minor children, but their ability to sponsor parents would be severely limited.
The proposal would limit or end preferences for people who had family members living legally in the U.S., "
What does this mean for USC sponsoring parents for greencard?
Thats the million dollar question, however I was reading somewhere that the proposal was to clear the entire blacklog of those who are already waiting in line. That would take 8 years so that is why the illegals cant apply for pernament residence until after 8 years. But ther is so much bull in the media now, you dont know who is tellig the truth. I wonder if REALCANADIAN can comment on this. We are talking about the Senate because this is the bill that is also touted to be debated in the House also.
That's not what is about to be debated. It's a newspaper article.
I have already posted a link to what has been introduced in the Senate and will be debated, yet you refuse to look at it and instead run around claiming that newspapers are more authoritative than a Senate bill.
What are you talking about? You know that this bill is not the one that will be debated, so stop putting false hopes in peoples mind. Senators along with White House staffers are drafting a bi-partisim bill that is most likely make it to the floor. I am reading from sources who might have a clue about the details of the bill. Try and get some details about that bill and let us know.
TheRealCanadian
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What are you talking about? You know that this bill is not the one that will be debated, so stop putting false hopes in peoples mind.
Actually, I don't know one way or another. I know that's the one that has been introduced, and until something else gets introduced that's what I'm going to concentrate on. I stick to facts, not rumor and speculation.
You get the Facts
Mr.Canadian, dont say I didn't say so, now the deal is reached between the Senators and the White House and I was correct. Next time you get the facts and you are the one must stop spreading rumors. It would be good for you to do some research before you make accusations.
That's not what is about to be debated. It's a newspaper article.
I have already posted a link to what has been introduced in the Senate and will be debated, yet you refuse to look at it and instead run around claiming that newspapers are more authoritative than a Senate bill.
Mr.Canadian, dont say I didn't say so, now the deal is reached between the Senators and the White House and I was correct. Next time you get the facts and you are the one must stop spreading rumors. It would be good for you to do some research before you make accusations.
Micronesia
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Nailed
The issue direction is already 'Nailed'.
See this news:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070517/ap_on_go_co/immigration_congress
The issue direction is already 'Nailed'.
See this news:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070517/ap_on_go_co/immigration_congress
ncblackhole
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What is the quota of parents?
The news says there is a limit on parents .. I don't know the numbers.. it could be 50,000 per year.. or so..
does anyone know how many total parents petitions allowed per year. This could start a new nonsense of backlog in parents GC petition if the limit is small..
Someone was saying earlier that on avg there are 100,000 petitions each year for parents but the quota is 50,000 now..
Can anyone clarify?
Thanks
The news says there is a limit on parents .. I don't know the numbers.. it could be 50,000 per year.. or so..
does anyone know how many total parents petitions allowed per year. This could start a new nonsense of backlog in parents GC petition if the limit is small..
Someone was saying earlier that on avg there are 100,000 petitions each year for parents but the quota is 50,000 now..
Can anyone clarify?
Thanks
TheRealCanadian
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Mr.Canadian, dont say I didn't say so, now the deal is reached between the Senators and the White House and I was correct. Next time you get the facts and you are the one must stop spreading rumors. It would be good for you to do some research before you make accusations.
How many times do I need to repeat myself???
I'm going to wait until there is a bill introduced in the Senate, and I'm going to analyze and discuss that. There will be specifics, and we can all find out the effects of that bill. If you look at the article, it quotes Ted Kennedy as saying It would emphasize family ties as well as employment skills in weighing how soon immigrants could become legal residents,
I don't anticipate IR or FB2 going anywhere. FB1and FB3 may be reduced, but then again maybe not. FB4 is probably dead, but people have been talking about killing that for years now. But thanks to your speculation, we have all sorts of people asking what the specific quotas will be, and what will be eliminated or changed - and we don't know that yet. There's a good chance that we end up with a hybrid system where the old FB1 and FB3 qualifications give you the same number of "points" as an EB applicant. Who knows.
When the bill comes out, I'll address it then.
http://www.immigration-law.com/
My selfish concern here is parents' immigration (I applied for citizenship 3 month ago and plan to file for my parents the day I get it, if it still works)
My selfish concern here is parents' immigration (I applied for citizenship 3 month ago and plan to file for my parents the day I get it, if it still works)
MOCKBA1999
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What I don't understand is how it will affect those of us who are in line already... Any ideas?...
TheRealCanadian
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What I don't understand is how it will affect those of us who are in line already... Any ideas?...
... and it's questions like this why I push so strongly for people to wait until we see some actual legislative text. Until then we get a lot of anxious questions that simply cannot be answered.
All immigration blaclog will be cleared
From what I have researching and being told, the Democrats has requested a mandatory amount of visas to clear the existing blacklog of petitions as part of their concessions. There was a speculated cutoff date of June 2005 or May 2006 and has to be done in 8 years . That is the reason why the illegals would not have a chance at pernament resident for at least 8 years to 13 years. By that time the F1, F2B, FB3 and F4 family based will be cleared and put to rest. therefore those illegals would not have a shot at sponsoring relatives.
So with this being the case some persons especially Filipino's residents waiting in line will see faster processing. But family based will go in the future except F2B and here come a new parents category - they will be limited.
This is not a speculation, but you dont know what have change
... and it's questions like this why I push so strongly for people to wait until we see some actual legislative text. Until then we get a lot of anxious questions that simply cannot be answered.
From what I have researching and being told, the Democrats has requested a mandatory amount of visas to clear the existing blacklog of petitions as part of their concessions. There was a speculated cutoff date of June 2005 or May 2006 and has to be done in 8 years . That is the reason why the illegals would not have a chance at pernament resident for at least 8 years to 13 years. By that time the F1, F2B, FB3 and F4 family based will be cleared and put to rest. therefore those illegals would not have a shot at sponsoring relatives.
So with this being the case some persons especially Filipino's residents waiting in line will see faster processing. But family based will go in the future except F2B and here come a new parents category - they will be limited.
This is not a speculation, but you dont know what have change
hiachiever
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IMHO, the bill do not solve the current illegal immigration issues (law breakers) while jeopardizing and degrade values of family reunification. Aren't we suppose to stay close to blood relatives?
What makes those law breakers (illegal immigrants) to comply with the proposed law? i.e. going back to their home country for certain years and apply for whatever visa... Aren't they law breakers already? What's the punishment(s) if they still breaking the law?
I think what works is:
If we need guest worker program for farm job or any other fields, just issue new type of employment visa (similar F Visa for skilled workers but this one is for unskilled needed fields) to fill our demand for the needed fields as much as the demand for the employees in the fields. Prioritized those illegal immigrants to apply so at least we open them a chance to stay here. We understand people want to stay here and there wasn't much choices back then for this type of immigrants. IMHO, in the future, guest worker program should be open to any citizens of any country not just Mexico or a certain country. Like DV lottery or somthing to keep it diverse because it's unfair if it doesn't. Then, just send the rest of the illegal immigrants back home. We have unemployment problems already in the States, why should we allow more people in? Those could raise crime rates.
What also fair is to sort out those illegal immigrants skills. We might need them to stay in here. We don't want to waste good brains right? If they're just staying here to dig out our gold and send it back to their home country, what's good this country get out of it?
Peace
What makes those law breakers (illegal immigrants) to comply with the proposed law? i.e. going back to their home country for certain years and apply for whatever visa... Aren't they law breakers already? What's the punishment(s) if they still breaking the law?
I think what works is:
If we need guest worker program for farm job or any other fields, just issue new type of employment visa (similar F Visa for skilled workers but this one is for unskilled needed fields) to fill our demand for the needed fields as much as the demand for the employees in the fields. Prioritized those illegal immigrants to apply so at least we open them a chance to stay here. We understand people want to stay here and there wasn't much choices back then for this type of immigrants. IMHO, in the future, guest worker program should be open to any citizens of any country not just Mexico or a certain country. Like DV lottery or somthing to keep it diverse because it's unfair if it doesn't. Then, just send the rest of the illegal immigrants back home. We have unemployment problems already in the States, why should we allow more people in? Those could raise crime rates.
What also fair is to sort out those illegal immigrants skills. We might need them to stay in here. We don't want to waste good brains right? If they're just staying here to dig out our gold and send it back to their home country, what's good this country get out of it?
Peace
pianoplayer
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IMHO, the bill do not solve the current illegal immigration issues (law breakers) while jeopardizing and degrade values of family reunification. Aren't we suppose to stay close to blood relatives?
What makes those law breakers (illegal immigrants) to comply with the proposed law? i.e. going back to their home country for certain years and apply for whatever visa... Aren't they law breakers already? What's the punishment(s) if they still breaking the law?
I think what works is:
If we need guest worker program for farm job or any other fields, just issue new type of employment visa (similar F Visa for skilled workers but this one is for unskilled needed fields) to fill our demand for the needed fields as much as the demand for the employees in the fields. Prioritized those illegal immigrants to apply so at least we open them a chance to stay here. We understand people want to stay here and there wasn't much choices back then for this type of immigrants. IMHO, in the future, guest worker program should be open to any citizens of any country not just Mexico or a certain country. Like DV lottery or somthing to keep it diverse because it's unfair if it doesn't. Then, just send the rest of the illegal immigrants back home. We have unemployment problems already in the States, why should we allow more people in? Those could raise crime rates.
What also fair is to sort out those illegal immigrants skills. We might need them to stay in here. We don't want to waste good brains right? If they're just staying here to dig out our gold and send it back to their home country, what's good this country get out of it?
Peace
Hi:
I agree with some of what you say. I personally am not for all these concessions that are to be made to illegal immigrants. The problem is how to, logistically, send 11 million people home. I don't think the government can afford it. Yet at the same time, if they eventually allow them in, there will be another 11 million in a couple of years.
As for family immigration, I disagree. Of course it should not be entirely abolished. But it should be limited. I think a move towards a more employment-based system is what the US needs - a points system would not be a bad idea. Immigration should be seen as a privilege, NOT a right. Family reunification is a nice concept, but something that should be considered when a relative comes to the US. Just because someone came to the US, does not entitle 15 other family members to come in the name of family reunification. Ultimately, we wish to encourage and embrace immigrants who can really offer skills to the US, along with immediate family members (children under 18 and spouses).
I know many disagree with me on this, and that is fine - it is only my opinion. It is just an unfortunate fact that we cannot satisfy everyone's expectations. An immigration system ultimately serves the nation's needs - not the individual's.
perplexing
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PianoPlayer I won't waste time and will get straight to the point. The major problem I have with the current "so called" reforms is PARENTS!!!!!
Now lets look at a scenario. I am a US citizen with foreign born parents and would like for them to spend their last years with me. They are over 60 years old, retired; what point system are you going to use? How are they benefiting America with their skills? And why would you prohibit them from coming here? 15 member families become an issue but why in the world would you not allow elderly (biological) PARENTS from being with their family?
Now lets look at a scenario. I am a US citizen with foreign born parents and would like for them to spend their last years with me. They are over 60 years old, retired; what point system are you going to use? How are they benefiting America with their skills? And why would you prohibit them from coming here? 15 member families become an issue but why in the world would you not allow elderly (biological) PARENTS from being with their family?
hiachiever
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Hi:
I agree with some of what you say. I personally am not for all these concessions that are to be made to illegal immigrants. The problem is how to, logistically, send 11 million people home. I don't think the government can afford it. Yet at the same time, if they eventually allow them in, there will be another 11 million in a couple of years.
As for family immigration, I disagree. Of course it should not be entirely abolished. But it should be limited. I think a move towards a more employment-based system is what the US needs - a points system would not be a bad idea. Immigration should be seen as a privilege, NOT a right. Family reunification is a nice concept, but something that should be considered when a relative comes to the US. Just because someone came to the US, does not entitle 15 other family members to come in the name of family reunification. Ultimately, we wish to encourage and embrace immigrants who can really offer skills to the US, along with immediate family members (children under 18 and spouses).
I know many disagree with me on this, and that is fine - it is only my opinion. It is just an unfortunate fact that we cannot satisfy everyone's expectations. An immigration system ultimately serves the nation's needs - not the individual's.
Well, that's why i said that this country need to sort out which are good illegal immigrants (contribute to this country) which are not first. This will reduce the number of illegals to send home. It's not like discriminating one to another rather trying to offer a solution which could also benefit this country. If this country could afford to go to Iraq, I'm sure it'd not be a problem to send the rest of the bad eggs home. Because sooner or later these people will be the burden to this country system and tax payers pay all the costs. In other words, it's either they cost you couple hundreds dollars to one or two thousands up front to send them home now or tax payers pay will have to pay the costs for the rest of their life. I'm a nay sayer to amnesty but i believe that we shouldn't waste a good brain.
Lol. I've rarely seen a person has 15 blood relatives. Mostly 2 or 4 max. So, basically the current system should work fine or should be slightly refined. For example, restrict child's citizenship of illegal immigrants based on birthplace i.e. if a child born in U.S. soil and his/her parents are illegals, then he/she should not be granted a citizenship. Separating blood relatives like parents, brothers and sisters is just not right. Many family splits up just because they got a job in here and can't reunited with their family because some chose job over family since they've no other choice that could bring them up together.
Again this is just my opinion, not negative comments or remarks pointed out against anybody.
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hiachiever
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PianoPlayer I won't waste time and will get straight to the point. The major problem I have with the current "so called" reforms is PARENTS!!!!!
Now lets look at a scenario. I am a US citizen with foreign born parents and would like for them to spend their last years with me. They are over 60 years old, retired; what point system are you going to use? How are they benefiting America with their skills? And why would you prohibit them from coming here? 15 member families become an issue but why in the world would you not allow elderly (biological) PARENTS from being with their family?
Exactly the point. We should split this discussion into 2 topics: 1. employment based 2. family based. these couldn't be mixed up.
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