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My husband was granted asylum with his parents three years back. Just recently, his parents received their green card but my husband ( when he was waiting for his green card I-485) received a letter from INS stating that since he was over 21yrs and married he needs to apply Nunc Pro Tunc asylum I-589.

He will then be interviewed by the INS officers. His asylum is through India.
INS also pointed out on the letter some charges he has, below is the list:

- count one – driving without license
- count two – driving without license again
- count three – no insurance on car
- count four – not obeying road signs
- count five – not stopping for Police at the first time cop told him to stop



He was asked by INS to get court dispositions; hence, he went to CA court to get it. In the courts report it sates that he pleaded guilty to all counts but he NEVER paid his fines. They tried their best to contact him but couldn’t. Some of his case is closed with no warrants but there is one owing $1500. But the letter clearly states he has one misdemeanor and fines not paid.

His brother who also has to apply for same status has worse criminal background such as theft, burglary, DUI x 2 etc.

Could you please inform me if it’s hard for him to get green card now? I am a NZ citizen and don’t want to wait longer…..


Any help will be highly appreciated
Thanks
 
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sweetexciting_g said:
No one has said anything in my case...PLEASE HELP..AND TELL ME IF HE WILL GET IT???? :confused:

Y dont u contact a lawyer? Maybe these 2 brothers have taken things for granted and need a few lessons in life????
 
sweetexciting_g said:
No one has said anything in my case...PLEASE HELP..AND TELL ME IF HE WILL GET IT???? :confused:

With those "records"... I dont think they deserve or qualify for a GC... however, it will be worth it to hire a lawyer and do the Nunc Pro Tunc first... and see from there... Its hard to say... they may have problems in the nunc pro tunc interview....so they better have a good lawyer to help them...
 
Are you sure you want to merry a person with all those records? If he is not a good citizen, I think he will not be a good husband.

If I was you, instead of falling in love with him, I would try to avoid this kind of person.

It is MY opinion
 
First of all Sweetex: welcome; we are a group of asylees and former asylees who try their best of their knowledge to assist others who are in need…

Second, there are two cases to be distinguished. The first one is your husband getting Nunc Pro Tunc approved. First asylum is permanent. Your husband can pay the fines and abandon the greencard application forever and stay in the US on his I-94. He also can go through the Nunc Pro Tunc process. Again he will need to show some majority and responsibility; like paying the fine, and having a nice job and hiring a lawyer. He needs to prove that he realizes that he made mistakes and he is in the process of correcting them. It may take some time, but he can get over that. His misdemeanors aren’t difficult over come, it may take some time.


The third case which I want you to be aware of is how the Nunc pro tunc thing works. Your husband, when he is filling out the nunc pro tunc application which pretty much like asylum application, has two options. He can claim asylum based on his father’s case, which pretty easy besides his convictions. If he does it and he pays court fines and looks good his changes of getting greencard is good. But this option will exclude you from the process and you have to depend on yourself, which effectively means your can not derive him any status until he become US citizen. The second option is that he includes his application as dependent. In this situation, he will not be able to depend on his father’s case and he to claim asylum on his merit. The interview will be a full blown interview, including why he can’t go to India. He has to prove just as a regular asylee will do it. In this situation given his conviction and misbehavior I don’t belief he will be able to convince anybody of a case. In addition, if he includes you and he loses his case he will be deported right away.

My humble opinion to you is: do not depend on this guy for your legal status in the USA. The immigration system is broken and slow for those who obey the laws. It is nearly closed to those who break the law….
 
Thanks a lot for the feedback everyone. I appreciate all your help. Faysal you mentioned about Nunc Pro Tunc i.e. he can apply based on his dads case, does that mean if his dad got approved he will get approved as well??? Does that make the case any easy???

Also, I had that Nunc Pro Tunc is like INS mistake which they try to correct. does that mean that mistake was done at the first place when his parents applied they all got approved by Judge for asylum and now INS realised that there were over 21 and married so they trying to correct that mistake??
 
Thanks a lot for the feedback everyone. I appreciate all your help. Faysal you mentioned about Nunc Pro Tunc i.e. he can apply based on his dads case, does that mean if his dad got approved he will get approved as well??? Does that make the case any easy???

Also, I had that Nunc Pro Tunc is like INS mistake which they try to correct. does that mean that mistake was done at the first place when his parents applied they all got approved by Judge for asylum and now INS realised that there were over 21 and married so they trying to correct that mistake??



Sweetexciting: I have got your private massege too. First of all, the Nucn Pro Tunc thing has nothing to do with Asylum. He has his asylum approved. The reason he asked to do the Nucn pro Tunc is that fact that he wants to get greencard. In this case, you husband has reasons that make him unable to get greencard. First, he became over 21; second he got married. Becuase of these two changes, he can not change his status from asylum to permenant resident unless he does the Nunc pro tunc thing. The reason they are asking him to do the Nunc Pro tunc thing is becuase they want to separate his file from his father's file. Once they interview him which pretty easy like name, age, marital status, they will create for him a separate file, which will make an independent person.

As far as correction of mistake is concerned, there is no mistake here. If an asylee gets asylum as a dependent under 21 there are two cases the will make him/her an able to greencard. One is if that person turns over 21 before they get greencare. (there was a law passed in 2003 that protect children under 21 who turn over 21 while waiting for greencard). I don't know the details of this law, but I don't think it will protect you husband. The second thing is marriage. For example, if 17 year old boy/girl gets her asylum through their parents and once he/she turns 18 marries this asylee won't get greencard unless he/she does nucn pro tunc becuase they are considered separate household for immigration purposes. so there is no mistake in your husband's case, just an administrative procedure.

As far your husband getting nunc pro tunc is concerned, the process is relatively easy, but the problem is your husband's convictions and reckless behavior....good luck...
 
Thanks faysal for u r info....i really appreciate it...one more question last one

So if he applies for this Nunc Pro Tunc and it is declined..do they deport him to India??? Becuz I-589 is withholding deportation right?
 
Thanks faysal for u r info....i really appreciate it...one more question last one

So if he applies for this Nunc Pro Tunc and it is declined..do they deport him to India??? Becuz I-589 is withholding deportation right?


Again: I-589 has nothing to with withholding deportation. I-589 is a formal process in which they to create a separate file. Nunc Pro Tunc Cases are in most cases granted. If it is denied, then the reason for which it is denied can also create a whole problem for the whole process. For example, if your husband did not apply for greencard he could have stayed in USA forever on sylum status. But becuase he needs to get greencard he has to do the nucn pro tucn. The nucn pro tunc has to do with the greencard, not asylum status.

When you look at the application for nunc pro tunc and the interview letter It is really scary and one thinks as though the whole original grant of asylum is revoked. Don't be scared of this. I don't know about the criminal record, but the nucn pro tunc is just a formal way of creating a file for your husband. If the nunc pro tunc is denied on the basis of the criminal record, then I don't kmow what impack that would have on the original grant of asylum.

sorry I trend to write too much details, but that is my way. I can't help...
 
Thanks once again. I guess I have to wait and see what happens. If he doesnt get green card then he needs to think seriously becuz I am a New Zealand citizen and i can sponsor him. I dont know why he loves USA so much ....but NZ is not a third world country which he is so scared of. I have been to US 7 times now and i think NZ is no diff....I just wish he comes to NZ once and then decides which one is better. Becuz if he chooses to stay as an asylee whole of his life...that will mean end of our relationship....and i will be so hurt....

Now things are on god.

:confused:
:(
 
Hey Sweety, it's really hard case. It's not just a ticket for parking or speeding.
His brother's case is more complicated. DUI - Driving Under Influence considering as a criminal offense.
All you guys need is just to hire a good lawyer.
And first of all your husband must obey the Law. It's not too hard. Just to be a good moral person. Is he 16? I don't think so. He ought understand, he has a family now. I mean, seriosly, don't try to blame INS agency for complicating his case.
 
Thanks once again. I guess I have to wait and see what happens. If he doesnt get green card then he needs to think seriously becuz I am a New Zealand citizen and i can sponsor him. I dont know why he loves USA so much ....but NZ is not a third world country which he is so scared of. I have been to US 7 times now and i think NZ is no diff....I just wish he comes to NZ once and then decides which one is better. Becuz if he chooses to stay as an asylee whole of his life...that will mean end of our relationship....and i will be so hurt....

Now things are on god.

:confused:
:(



By the way sweety, What's your name?
:)
 
Thanks once again. I guess I have to wait and see what happens. If he doesnt get green card then he needs to think seriously becuz I am a New Zealand citizen and i can sponsor him. I dont know why he loves USA so much ....but NZ is not a third world country which he is so scared of. I have been to US 7 times now and i think NZ is no diff....I just wish he comes to NZ once and then decides which one is better. Becuz if he chooses to stay as an asylee whole of his life...that will mean end of our relationship....and i will be so hurt....

Now things are on god.

:confused:
:(

If you really want to be with this person, at first he would have to get his GC. Once he gets his GC, he can sponsor you but that will take upto 5 years...by then he can become USC if he qualifies.

So realitiscally, your wait time looks like 7-8 years where you would also be able to stay in U.S forever.

If you are willing to be in legal limbo for 7-8 years, then you need to either get 1)Student Visa, or 2)H-1 visa so that you can stay in U.S longer than 3 months that you are allowed now. IF you do this before he gets his GC, that would be good for you since it will make staying as student for instance more easier.
 
can anyone please tell me if Nunc Pro Tunc is denied, can that person stay in USA whole of life as an asylee since his asylum is approved????????????????
 
can anyone please tell me if Nunc Pro Tunc is denied, can that person stay in USA whole of life as an asylee since his asylum is approved????????????????

Here is the official explanation of asylum status, i hope it helps!




INA: ACT 208 - ASYLUM


Sec. 208. (a) Authority to Apply for Asylum.-

(1) In general. - Any alien who is physically present in the United States or who arrives in the United States (whether or not at a designated port of arrival and including an alien who is brought to the United States after having been interdicted in international or United States waters), irrespective of such alien's status, may apply for asylum in accordance with this section or, where applicable, section 235(b).

(2) Exceptions. -

(A) Safe third country. - Paragraph (1) shall not apply to an alien if the Attorney General determines that the alien may be removed, pursuant to a bilateral or multilateral agreement, to a country (other than the country of the alien's nationality or, in the case of an alien having no nationality, the country of the alien's last habitual residence) in which the alien's life or freedom would not be threatened on account of race, religion, nationality, membership in a particular social group, or po litical opinion, and where the alien would have access to a full and fair procedure for determining a claim to asylum or equivalent temporary protection, unless the Attorney General finds that it is in the public interest for the alien to receive asylum in the United States.

(B) Time limit. - Subject to subparagraph (D), paragraph (1) shall not apply to an alien unless the alien demonstrates by clear and convincing evidence that the application has been filed within 1 year after the date of alien's arrival in the United States.

(C) Previous asylum applications. - Subject to subparagraph (D), paragraph (1) shall not apply to an alien if the alien has previously applied for asylum and had such application denied.

(D) Changed conditions. - An application for asylum of an alien may be considered, notwithstanding subparagraphs (B) and (C), if the alien demonstrates to the satisfaction of the Attorney General either the existence of changed circumstances which materially affect the applicant's eligibility for asylum or extraordinary circumstances relating to the delay in filing the application within the period specified in subparagraph (B).

(3) Limitation on judicial review.¾No court shall have jurisdiction to review any determination of the Attorney General under paragraph (2).

(b) Conditions for Granting Asylum. -

(1) In general. - 4/ (A) ELIGIBILITY- The Secretary of Homeland Security or the Attorney General may grant asylum to an alien who has applied for asylum in accordance with the requirements and procedures established by 4/ the Secretary of Homeland Security or the Attorney General under this section if 4/ the Secretary of Homeland Security or the Attorney General determines that such alien is a refugee within the meaning of section 101(a)(42)(A) .


(B) 4/ BURDEN OF PROOF-


(i) IN GENERAL- The burden of proof is on the applicant to establish that the applicant is a refugee, within the meaning of section 101(a)(42)(A) . To establish that the applicant is a refugee within the meaning of such section, the applicant must establish that race, religion, nationality, membership in a particular social group, or political opinion was or will be at least one central reason for persecuting the applicant.


(ii) SUSTAINING BURDEN- The testimony of the applicant may be sufficient to sustain the applicant's burden without corroboration, but only if the applicant satisfies the trier of fact that the applicant's testimony is credible, is persuasive, and refers to specific facts sufficient to demonstrate that the applicant is a refugee. In determining whether the applicant has met the applicant's burden, the trier of fact may weigh the credible testimony along with other evidence of record. Where the trier of fact determines that the applicant should provide evidence that corroborates otherwise credible testimony, such evidence must be provided unless the applicant does not have the evidence and cannot reasonably obtain the evidence.


(iii) CREDIBILITY DETERMINATION- Considering the totality of the circumstances, and all relevant factors, a trier of fact may base a credibility determination on the demeanor, candor, or responsiveness of the applicant or witness, the inherent plausibility of the applicant's or witness's account, the consistency between the applicant's or witness's written and oral statements (whenever made and whether or not under oath, and considering the circumstances under which the statements were made), the internal c onsistency of each such statement, the consistency of such statements with other evidence of record (including the reports of the Department of State on country conditions), and any inaccuracies or falsehoods in such statements, without regard to whether an inconsistency, inaccuracy, or falsehood goes to the heart of the applicant's claim, or any other relevant factor. There is no presumption of credibility, however, if no adverse credibility determination is explicitly made, the applicant or witness shall have a rebuttable presumption of credibility on appeal.


(2) Exceptions. -

(A) In general. - Paragraph (1) shall not apply to an alien if the Attorney General determines that -

(i) the alien ordered, incited, assisted, or otherwise participated in the persecution of any person on account of race, religion, nationality, membership in a particular social group, or political opinion;


(ii) the alien, having been convicted by a final judgment of a particularly serious crime, constitutes a danger to the community of the United States;

(iii) there are serious reasons for believing that the alien has committed a serious nonpolitical crime outside the United States prior to the arrival of the alien in the United States;

(iv) there are reasonable grounds for regarding the alien as a danger to the security of the United States;

(v) the alien is 5/ described in subclause (I), (II), (III), (IV), or (VI) 2/ of section 212(a)(3)(B)(i) or section 237(a)(4)(B) (relating to terrorist activity), unless, in the case only of an alien 5/ described in subclause (IV) of section 212(a)(3)(B)(i) , the Attorney General determines, in the Attorney General's discretion, that there are not reasonable grounds for regarding the alien as a danger to the security of the United States; or

(vi) the alien was firmly resettled in another country prior to arriving in the United States.

(B) Special rules.-

(i) Conviction of aggravated felony. - For purposes of clause (ii) of subparagraph (A), an alien who has been convicted of an aggravated felony shall be considered to have been convicted of a particularly serious crime.

(ii) Offenses. - The Attorney General may designate by regulation offenses that will be considered to be a crime described in clause (ii) or (iii) of subparagraph (A).

(C) Additional limitations. - The Attorney General may by regulation establish additional limitations and conditions, consistent with this section, under which an alien shall be ineligible for asylum under paragraph (1).

(D) No judicial review. - There shall be no judicial review of a determination of the Attorney General under subparagraph (A)(v).

3/ (3) TREATMENT OF SPOUSE AND CHILDREN-


(A) IN GENERAL- A spouse or child (as defined in section 101(b)(1)(A) , (B) , (C) , (D) , or (E) ) of an alien who is granted asylum under this subsection may, if not otherwise eligible for asylum under this section, be granted the same status as the alien if accompanying, or following to join, such alien.


(B) CONTINUED CLASSIFICATION OF CERTAIN ALIENS AS CHILDREN- An unmarried alien who seeks to accompany, or follow to join, a parent granted asylum under this subsection, and who was under 21 years of age on the date on which such parent applied for asylum under this section, shall continue to be classified as a child for purposes of this paragraph and section 209(b)(3) , if the alien attained 21 years of age after such application was filed but while it was pending.


(c) Asylum Status. -

(1) In general.- In the case of an alien granted asylum under subsection (b), the Attorney General -

(A) shall not remove or return the alien to the alien's country of nationality or, in the case of a person having no nationality, the country of the alien's last habitual residence;

(B) shall authorize the alien to engage in employment in the United States and provide the alien with appropriate endorsement of that authorization; and

(C) may allow the alien to travel abroad with the prior consent of the Attorney General.

(2) Termination of asylum. - Asylum granted under subsection (b) does not convey a right to remain permanently in the United States, and may be terminated if the Attorney General determines that -

(A) the alien no longer meets the conditions described in subsection (b)(1) owing to a fundamental change in circumstances;

(B) the alien meets a condition described in subsection (b)(2);

(C) the alien may be removed, pursuant to a bilateral or multilateral agreement, to a country (other than the country of the alien's nationality or, in the case of an alien having no nationality, the country of the alien's last habitual residence) in which the alien's life or freedom would not be threatened on account of race, religion, nationality, membership in a particular social group, or political opinion, and where the alien is eligible to receive asylum or equivalent temporary protection;

(D) the alien has voluntarily availed himself or herself of the protection of the alien's country of nationality or, in the case of an alien having no nationality, the alien's country of last habitual residence, by returning to such country with permanent resident status or the reasonable possibility of obtaining such status with the same rights and obligations pertaining to other permanent residents of that country; or

(E) the alien has acquired a new nationality and enjoys the protection of the country of his new nationality.

(3) Removal when asylum is terminated. - An alien described in paragraph (2) is subject to any applicable grounds of inadmissibility or deportability under section 212(a) and 237(a) , and the alien's removal or return shall be directed by the Attorney General in accordance with sections 240 and 241 .

(d) Asylum Procedure. -

(1) Applications. - The Attorney General shall establish a procedure for the consideration of asylum applications filed under subsection (a). The Attorney General may require applicants to submit fingerprints and a photograph at such time and in such manner to be determined by regulation by the Attorney General.

(2) Employment. - An applicant for asylum is not entitled to employment authorization, but such authorization may be provided under regulation by the Attorney General. An applicant who is not otherwise eligible for employment authorization shall not be granted such authorization prior to 180 days after the date of filing of the application for asylum.

(3) Fees. - The Attorney General may impose fees for the consideration of an application for asylum, for employment authorization under this section, and for adjustment of status under section 209(b). Such fees shall not exceed the Attorney General's costs in adjudicating the applications. The Attorney General may provide for the assessment and payment of such fees over a period of time or by installments. Nothing in this paragraph shall be construed to require the Attorney General to charge fee s for adjudication services provided to asylum applicants, or to limit the authority of the Attorney General to set adjudication and naturalization fees in accordance with section 286(m).

(4) Notice of privilege of counsel and consequences of frivolous application. - At the time of filing an application for asylum, the Attorney General shall -


(A) advise the alien of the privilege of being represented by counsel and of the consequences, under paragraph (6), of knowingly filing a frivolous application for asylum; and

(B) provide the alien a list of persons (updated not less often than quarterly) who have indicated their availability to represent aliens in asylum proceedings on a pro bono basis.

(5) Consideration of asylum applications. -

(A) Procedures. - The procedure established under paragraph (1) shall provide that - (i) asylum cannot be granted until the identity of the applicant has been checked against all appropriate records or databases maintained by the Attorney General and by the Secretary of State, including the Automated Visa Lookout System, to determine any grounds on which the alien may be inadmissible to or deportable from the United States, or ineligible to apply for or be granted asylum;

(ii) in the absence of exceptional circumstances, the initial interview or hearing on the asylum application shall commence not later than 45 days after the date an application is filed;

(iii) in the absence of exceptional circumstances, final administrative adjudication of the asylum application, not including administrative appeal, shall be completed within 180 days after the date an application is filed;

(iv) any administrative appeal shall be filed within 30 days of a decision granting or denying asylum, or within 30 days of the completion of removal proceedings before an immigration judge under section 240, whichever is later; and

(v) in the case of an applicant for asylum who fails without prior authorization or in the absence of exceptional circumstances to appear for an interview or hearing, including a hearing under section 240, the application may be dismissed or the applicant may be otherwise sanctioned for such failure.

(B) Additional regulatory conditions. - The Attorney General may provide by regulation for any other conditions or limitations on the consideration of an application for asylum not inconsistent with this Act.

(6) Frivolous applications. - If the Attorney General determines that an alien has knowingly made a frivolous application for asylum and the alien has received the notice under paragraph (4)(A), the alien shall be permanently ineligible for any benefits under this Act, effective as of the date of a final determination on such application.

(7) No private right of action. - Nothing in this subsection shall be construed to create any substantive or procedural right or benefit that is legally enforceable by any party against the United States or its agencies or officers or any other person.
 
Thanks once again. I guess I have to wait and see what happens. If he doesnt get green card then he needs to think seriously becuz I am a New Zealand citizen and i can sponsor him. I dont know why he loves USA so much ....but NZ is not a third world country which he is so scared of. I have been to US 7 times now and i think NZ is no diff....I just wish he comes to NZ once and then decides which one is better. Becuz if he chooses to stay as an asylee whole of his life...that will mean end of our relationship....and i will be so hurt....

Now things are on god.

:confused:
:(

A couple of years ago, my cousin who was a green holder had her husband live in Newland and she wanted to join him; the process was not easy...So even that route given your husband's record won't be easy unless he goes to Indian and then you sponser him through India....
 
sorry i am not too smart in legal stuff...what that means is...if he doesnt get Nunc Pro Tunc approval he can be deported to India???
 
sorry i am not too smart in legal stuff...what that means is...if he doesnt get Nunc Pro Tunc approval he can be deported to India???

The only way you can this question is after he does the interview. It is premature at this time to worry about that...you should focus on winning the case not losing it...by the way does he has interview date set?
 
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