Greencard Category is subject of persecution by COP officials

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Samson777

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As we know, derivatives of an asylee have either AS7 or AS8 typed in their GC.
For those DA(derivatives asylee) will face a problem especially when they are traveling to their COP. Country like China and Indonesia will pursue people with AS7 and AS8 status and persecute them heavily, sometimes without having to go to court. As DA, it seems unfair that they have to face such situation, because they are DA after all. Is that possible for USCIS to grant change to the AS7, 8 category on those DA GC sothat they can not easily be identified by official from COP as DA? Or are those DA can use any legal mean to sue the USCIS to change the category? This is an unfair and inhuman situation.:confused:
 
why would the government officials in those countries know about 1) DA green card posession 2) the category of the green card in the first place?
 
Samson777 said:
As we know, derivatives of an asylee have either AS7 or AS8 typed in their GC.
For those DA(derivatives asylee) will face a problem especially when they are traveling to their COP. Country like China and Indonesia will pursue people with AS7 and AS8 status and persecute them heavily, sometimes without having to go to court. As DA, it seems unfair that they have to face such situation, because they are DA after all. Is that possible for USCIS to grant change to the AS7, 8 category on those DA GC sothat they can not easily be identified by official from COP as DA? Or are those DA can use any legal mean to sue the USCIS to change the category? This is an unfair and inhuman situation.:confused:
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Getting a GC is a privilege and not a right. If you will be persecuted in your COP, then you shoudln't go back to your COP. AS7,8 was created for that purpose that the family members can be brought with the principal.
 
If a foreign government persecutes you for having an AS7 or AS8 GC, then it is a matter between you and that foreign government. You can of course decide not go to that country until you have American citizenship.

Why would the USCIS care? You applied for that green card. You did not have to get that card and in fact you are free to give it up at any time.
 
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Samson777 said:
As we know, derivatives of an asylee have either AS7 or AS8 typed in their GC.
For those DA(derivatives asylee) will face a problem especially when they are traveling to their COP. Country like China and Indonesia will pursue people with AS7 and AS8 status and persecute them heavily, sometimes without having to go to court. As DA, it seems unfair that they have to face such situation, because they are DA after all. Is that possible for USCIS to grant change to the AS7, 8 category on those DA GC sothat they can not easily be identified by official from COP as DA? Or are those DA can use any legal mean to sue the USCIS to change the category? This is an unfair and inhuman situation.:confused:
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My simply advice is:

Do not go there.
 
Would a derivative asylee's status be taken away if s/he were to return back to COP?

Like myself..... I've been living here for the past 4 years and I currently live here as a derivative asylee ( which got approved last year ). I'm thinking abt going back home last this year and I have two options. 1. Fly back home directly. 2. Fly to a neighboring country and use my citizenship to fly/drive to my COP. Problem is, if I chose the second option, I'd be paying around $400 for visa just because I'd be using the RTD.
 
uscis is not to blame

USCIS does not force you to return to a country that allegedly persecuted your family. USCIS (or anybody else) did not force you to obtain a green card. You voluntarily chose to apply for your green card, did you?

In fact, I am sure that USCIS is happy to accept that card back from you and then give it to another person who actually appreciates the value of asylum.
 
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my advice is, if you REALLY have to do it, then try to find a way to walk around it. when u r leaving ur country, do not mention that u r coming to the states. instead, mention that u traveling to another country for tourism (perhaps one that allows u to travel visa free there), and then from there get a flight to the states. the tricky part is not leaving ur country coz if u r a derivative asylee, there is nothing and no case against u and u can always be smart about it and plan ur trip in a way that they do find out, it is how u r going to convince the immigration officer at the point of entry when u get to the states. that is what i would worry about!
 
Country like China and Indonesia have always aware about GC category. It's been many stories in this portal showing how the officials from COP taking excessive action toward their people who has AS 6, 7, and 8 when they coming back to COP.
Since USCIS has acknowledge that DA's are different from the principal and can't be restrict as they restrict the principal, why don't USCIS give different category instead of AS 7 or 8? Is'nt it discriminatory and endanger the DA?? It is easy to say that the best thing is not travel to COP, but people have their own family urgency, such as sick parents, etc. Is that possible that DA's pursue the change of their GC category through class action?
 
Samson777 said:
Country like China and Indonesia have always aware about GC category. It's been many stories in this portal showing how the officials from COP taking excessive action toward their people who has AS 6, 7, and 8 when they coming back to COP.
Since USCIS has acknowledge that DA's are different from the principal and can't be restrict as they restrict the principal, why don't USCIS give different category instead of AS 7 or 8? Is'nt it discriminatory and endanger the DA?? It is easy to say that the best thing is not travel to COP, but people have their own family urgency, such as sick parents, etc. Is that possible that DA's pursue the change of their GC category through class action?
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Dude, on what legal basis? This is hilarious.:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D
 
Whatever category they assign to derivatives, it'll be published information, and COPs will find out if they want to.
 
For the sake to avoid many DA's persecuted by COP officials, USCIS can provide a random category for DA's instead of AS 7 and 8. This might help all DA's life's while USCIS can still insert some information about the GC holder through the magnetic tape in the GC that is not visible by naked eye.
 
Samson777 said:
For the sake to avoid many DA's persecuted by COP officials, USCIS can provide a random category for DA's instead of AS 7 and 8. This might help all DA's life's while USCIS can still insert some information about the GC holder through the magnetic tape in the GC that is not visible by naked eye.
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Why would they bend over backward to do this? They have more urgent things to worry about. Every single green card has a recognized code regarding the legal basis under which it was issued. Why would they make an exception here? Just so that people can travel to countries where their spouse/parent was supposedly persecuted?

They did not force you to have your green card. You chose to apply for one.

That said, since we live in a democracy. They should hear your opinion. You should send a letter to USCIS central office and explain your concerns.
 
I just do not understand his concern.

United States is not obligated to protect non-citizens in foreign countries. Quote me the section of the law otherwise; I just believe this is totally frivolous complaint.
 
The fact of the matter is, USA always put human right and justice first. By risking DA's life doesn't look humane and just, as we know DA's weren't the applicant, and they deserve protection. Am I wrong?
 
Samson777 said:
The fact of the matter is, USA always put human right and justice first. By risking DA's life doesn't look humane and just, as we know DA's weren't the applicant, and they deserve protection. Am I wrong?
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I will recommend that you fix your English first. Then we can discuss about your "right".
 
While it might be perfectly legal to put AS6, 7, 8 on a Green Card, it's not unreasonable to have this request or wish that they could omit this category on the card.

Even for AS6, everybody agrees that it's reasonable for AS6 GC holders to go home country to visit a sick or dying parent or a close relative. Is it not a reasonable wish to be without the AS6 on the card to be safer?

In reality I don't think there is a chance for USCIS to do this. Because they're such a bureaucracy. There is no reason to think that they are that good. It's sad.

It's also sad that people on this board have this kind of callous or jaded attitude. I guess that's just being realistic. Sad.
 
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