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raevsky said:
But not all of them were notified, that means they do not know if they were selected.
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I quote from the June Visa Bulletin: "The Kentucky Consular Center in Williamsburg, Kentucky has registered and notified the winners of the DV-2013 diversity lottery. (...) Approximately 105,628 applicants have been registered."

Now, do you have any official source to claim that not all winners were notified yet?
 
As I said, I have Kirit Amin's declaration to the court. It contradicts the well known fact that about 40% of entrants who entered their entries before the end of October 6th 2010, did not win DV-2012. It was made under oath before the court. It has more weight than any visa bulletin (no oath for those). The only possible explantion is about 40% of those who were selected, were not notified.
I think Amin's declarations could be found on this forum. If not, I can put them here.
So in the quote you mention 105,629 applicants were registered and about 60% of them were notified. Not all winners were notified. That is it. That happens every year. Some of them might be notified later if needed.
 
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raevsky said:
That was the same story for July winners. After May lottery they threw out their confirmation numbers and got links back how to get them back.
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The very fact that DOS sent a link to retrieve confirmation numbers means that DOS did not expect entrants to keep their numbers after they had already checked.
This year's notice to keep our confirmation numbers is a result of last year's problems. Just in case.
 
The very fact that DOS sent a link to retrieve confirmation numbers means that DOS did not expect entrants to keep their numbers after they had already checked.
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It could be a different order. They notified some winners and only a small portions of winners checked the website. They realized people lost their numbers and sent them the links

This year's notice to keep our confirmation numbers is a result of last year's problems. Just in case.
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I agree
 
raevsky said:
No, this happens every year. This year the amount of open winners is about the same as last year.

No. They just forgot to put the notice, because DV-2012 was the first year since they started fully electronic system. Second batches did not require any confirmation numbers before, they just sent additional paper mails.


Wrong again. Also about 60%. This is the same every draw.


There was plan B to do it, the same as in DV-2011 and DV-2010. Now it is plan A for DV-2012, and still plan B for DV-2013. So, for DV-2012 it has to happen, and for DV_2013 it is only a remote possibility.


They just realized they forgot to put the notice in DV_2012, so they do it just in case every year starting DV-2013.


We do know. That was exactly like that before.


Well, they forgot to tell you that was a wrong assumption.


That was the same story for July winners. After May lottery they threw out their confirmation numbers and got links back how to get them back.



I think it solves a number of major problems and creates some minor ones instead.
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In all of this what are you directing insulating,are you insulating of kirit Amin's declaration or what.I need to know on which ground you are standing cos you cant be using the word FORGOT on DOS cos they seems to be in the position and know better not you.You are not there nor have an idea on how they run their program?
 
I have been watching the process for many years. I have pretty good understanding what they do and how they do it. Mistakes happen on their end, and we all know about it, including major mistakes like drawing in May 2011 for DV-2012.
DV-2007 was the last time when they had second batch so far. Notification those times was by regular mail. No confirmation number was involved. They have never put those warnings about previous lotteries because of that. They did not realize they really needed to do it on the font page since paper mail was discontinued.
Now in DV-2012 they need to conduct a second batch. And they realize people threw out their confirmation numbers. That is their mistake, nothing else. That is why they put the notice starting DV-2013. They are people and people could forget.
BTW, they already warned participants in http://photos.state.gov/libraries/southafrica/231771/PDFs/mediahub_brief_dv2013_transcript.pdf before October 2011. Becaused they realized the problem by then.
Of course they know better than me. But I could still use the word forget. I did not think about this problem myself too. I forgot as well. Just looking at the process back from today's day I realize they forgot.
 
Centrino said:
I quote from the June Visa Bulletin: "The Kentucky Consular Center in Williamsburg, Kentucky has registered and notified the winners of the DV-2013 diversity lottery. (...) Approximately 105,628 applicants have been registered."

Now, do you have any official source to claim that not all winners were notified yet?
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I would agree with @raevsky on this maybe not all winners were truly notified but i would not deliberately say any figures here that were notified and not notified but i do know for sure that something went wrong somewhere which DOS never wants to make public or could it be that DOS have not gotten all the numbers of winnings entries they needed maybe instead to postpone the announcement date of the results on May 1st as what happened in DV2012 May 1st was voided on May 13,2011 and later announced another redraw through email from May 15,2011 to May 21th about july 15th results 2011,they now announced this 105 winners so that they would have an opportunity to run another draw before october 1st which they announced cos if not why is DOS saying more results maybe release by october 1st if truly they have gotten all their winning numbers.Well only time will tell of the outcome.I don't want to specify on this issue if not i still have some facts also to prove that something may have happen and these winners were selected on a personal reason not a fair random selections.
 
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As you see, they already warned about the possibility of second batch in DV-2013 before the submission period for DV-2013 started. Doesn't that nullify all your arguments?
 
raevsky said:
As you see, they already warned about the possibility of second batch in DV-2013 before the submission period for DV-2013 started. Doesn't that nullify all your arguments?
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Can i have the website they announced the warning of the possibility of the second batch before DV2013 started?
 
raevsky said:
It is in the post #126.
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I hope you are not reffering to the present advert on dvlottery.state.gov web page saying that applicants should keep their confirmation number as possible more results maybe announce/release on october 1st.This announcement was never made before DV2013 it was announced second week of April,2012 before the May 1st results.So note that i saved the first copy of the full web page of DV2013 when it was formally officially opened on october 4th,2011.
 
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Does it mean you cannot read pdf files?

http://photos.state.gov/libraries/southafrica/231771/PDFs/mediahub_brief_dv2013_transcript.pdf

The 2013 Diversity Visa Program opened for registrations on Tuesday, October 4, 2011, and will close at noon Eastern Daylight Time, November 5, 2011.
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All DV-2013 entrants should make sure to save their confirmation numbers until at least June 30, 2013, as Embassies cannot provide a list of selectees.
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According to the first statement, the announcement was made between October 4th 2011 and November 5th 2011 because the first date is in the past tense, and the second one is in the future tense.
The second statement asks to keep the number until at least June 30 2013.
 
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raevsky said:
Does it mean you cannot read pdf files?

http://photos.state.gov/libraries/southafrica/231771/PDFs/mediahub_brief_dv2013_transcript.pdf


According to the first statement, the announcement was done between October 4th 2011 and November 5th 2011.
The second statement asks to keep the number until at least June 30 2013.
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Please read back your post up there were you said that THEY which means DOS stated of second batch of DV2013 before the entry submission started october 4th,2011 and now you are saying DOS announced it between october 4th to November 5th 2011.So you see the contradicting here which is BEFORE and now you are saying BETWEEN October 4th and November 5th,2011.Anyway you have to be correct info before comment.
 
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You are right but that does not really matter. I was using this from memory. As far as I remember as it was written before the end of submission period, that is the same.
 
raevsky said:
Does it mean you cannot read pdf files?

http://photos.state.gov/libraries/southafrica/231771/PDFs/mediahub_brief_dv2013_transcript.pdf


According to the first statement, the announcement was made between October 4th 2011 and November 5th 2011 because the first date is in the past tense, and the second one is in the future tense.
The second statement asks to keep the number until at least June 30 2013.
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raevsky said:
You are right but that does not really matter. I was using this from memory. As far as I remember as it was written before the end of submission period, that is the same.
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I have details of DV2013 saved on my laptop before it was started october 4th,2011.Maybe i never refreshed or bothered to find out that DOS truly announced the second batch between october 4th to November 5th.I guess more results should be announced come october 1st or few only time will tell.Well i still believe that DOS may have not fully fixed up their TIMELINE machine.
 
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The link I provided is not the announcement that was made about starting the lottery. That is a separate one. That is not a mainstream DV page.
 
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