Filing For Citizenship in Oct' 09

kaashi

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Hi guys,
My 5 years of being a Green Card holder are up on Jan 20, 2010. I guess I can file on Oct 20, 09 for citizenship. I have downloaded the N-400 Form and Instructions.

1) Do I need a lawyer to file it for me? Seems pretty straightforward. Spent enough money on lawyers so far. I have all the documents, tax papers, bank statements, utility bills, mortgage stuff. I am a single guy. Lived in pretty much the same area though in different apartments over the time period. Just one or two job changes so far.

2) Got two traffic tickets in the last 5-8 yrs, minor ones, I don't think I have a record of those. Do I need to mention those in the application?

3) How long does the process take roughly? I live in Connecticut. Just so I have an idea so I can tell the prospective girlfriend's parents, in India, what kind of time frame we are looking at.

4) Never heard of Status Information Letter from Selective Service. I am 36 yrs old now. I have been here since I was 19, since Fall 1992, came as a student on F-1, came back on B-1/B-2 in 1997, spent some time out of status after the B-1/B-2 expired. Filed for Green Card based on the amnesty thing in 2000-01. Got the green card in Jan 2005.

Any help would be appreciated. I'd love to hear if you can sense anything else I may be missing, Or anything else I should be careful about. Thanks as always.
akash
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Just read Johnny Cash's list of Documents needed to submit along with application for Naturalization (N-400):

Each applicant for naturalization SHOULD submit the following along with their naturalization application:

[1] Cover letter: Though submitting a cover letter along with your naturalization application is not necessary, however it is highly recommended, wherein applicant should explain briefly about the basis of his/her eligibility for naturalization, such as whether applicant is filing the application under 3 yrs rule being a spouse of USC or under 5 yrs rule, or under any other eligibility in the law. This helps greatly to adjudication officers to know the basis of applicant’s eligibility right away at very first glance, otherwise sometimes some people’s eligibility is very hard to determine being complicated. And, not every adjudication officers are that much familiar with all the eligibilities for naturalization even though they are adjudication officers since laws and policies on immigration are kept changing very frequently and rapidly. Besides, at the time of naturalization, adjudication officers do pay attention to a cover letter, believe it or not.

[2] Copy of front and backside of green card. It must be a very clear copy so that information could be read very clearly from there.

[3] Two identical colored photos, wherein applicant’s full name and A# should have written by light pencil in the back of them. Photos should be as same style and size as we need for a passport, means- a front view of the applicant and not the side view as the pictures with side view are no longer accepted for immigration purpose. Further, photos should be taken within 30 days of filing the application.

[4] Check or money order for the right amount of the processing fees for the application: Though it doesn’t make much difference how you would choose to pay the processing fee, however it should be known that sometimes Service Centers, particularly TSC, and some district offices (if you would file any other petition/application with them with fees) do wait for a receipt (NOA) to send out to an applicant until a personal check gets cashed out if an applicant pays the processing fees with his/her personal check.

Nevertheless, it is always better to pay the processing fee with a personal check because if you choose to pay the processing fee by money order then it would not only be hard but also a time and money consuming to track down the proof of payment. Because, then you would require to file a paper work with postal service if money order is purchased from a post office, wherein you would be ended up paying some money (maybe $2 or $3) to track down whether such money order is cashed out or not. And it also takes almost 60 days for a post office to furnish this request. But if you would pay by your personal check then you would be able to receive the cancelled check back from your bank once USCIS will cash that out, which means-there won’t be a waste of time and money, and you would also have a solid proof to prove to USCIS about them having the processing fee from you on your application. But make sure to write your A# and the N-400 on the topside of the check where your name and address is printed.

Actually, there are pros and cons of both these methods of payment towards processing fees.

Using Money Order to pay processing fees:

Advantage: USCIS will post the payment/processing fees right away without any waiting. That means, a quick acceptance and initial processing on the application.

Disadvantage: It's time and money consuming to track down whether it is cashed out or not. Money Orders from American Express, MoneyGram and other private entities are easily traceable but Postal Money Orders are hard to track down right away. Plus, one would need the actual copy of paid money order in order to contact USCIS if they ever have any question on their application in the absence of any receipt from USCIS. It takes up to 60 days and few more bucks to have actual physical proof of cashing it out. That means, one will not have any proof of paying the processing fees to USCIS in the meantime if the application gets lost/misplaced with USCIS, which could be the possibility. However, if USCIS sends you a receipt then one doesn't need to worry about tracking it down.


Using Personal Check to pay processing fees:

Advantage: It's easily traceable, One can check with their bank if it's cashed out or not. Plus, the cancelled check would be the proof right in hand to prove that processing fees was paid to USCIS if application is ever happened to be lost/misplaced.

Disadvantage: USCIS waits for it to be cleared for few days. That means, a little delay in processing.


[5] Divorce/Annulment Decree: If you were previously married, then you must need to send the divorce/annulment decree to INS to prove that your previously marriage has ended legally.

[6] Certified Court record(s): If you ever been arrested or charged for a crime, then you must need to send certified copy of the disposition of your case to INS. If your criminal case is still going on, then don’t bother to file Naturalization because INS will deny your application anyway.

[7] Status Information Letter from Selective Service: If you are man, who was required to register with Selective Service, must need to send Status Information Letter’.


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Hi,

Another little thing, I have been in the US for the most part after i got my green card in 2005. Went for a 10 week vacation to India after I got the Green card and have been going for 3 weeks every year in the last few years.

Hope that 10 week vacation doesn't hurt the continuous stay requirement.
akash
 
1) Do I need a lawyer to file it for me? Seems pretty straightforward. Spent enough money on lawyers so far. I have all the documents, tax papers, bank statements, utility bills, mortgage stuff. I am a single guy. Lived in pretty much the same area though in different apartments over the time period. Just one or two job changes so far.
No lawyer is needed in most cases..if your case is straighforward you can easily file it yourself.
2) Got two traffic tickets in the last 5-8 yrs, minor ones, I don't think I have a record of those. Do I need to mention those in the application?
Yes as they are considered citations, but if they were minor traffic tickets under $500 no documentation is requried.
3) How long does the process take roughly? I live in Connecticut. Just so I have an idea so I can tell the prospective girlfriend's parents, in India, what kind of time frame we are looking at.
Anywhere from 4-8 months seems to be the norm these days.
4) Never heard of Status Information Letter from Selective Service. I am 36 yrs old now. I have been here since I was 19, since Fall 1992, came as a student on F-1, came back on B-1/B-2 in 1997, spent some time out of status after the B-1/B-2 expired. Filed for Green Card based on the amnesty thing in 2000-01. Got the green card in Jan 2005.
No need to worry about it as you weren't required to register at the time.
Any help would be appreciated. I'd love to hear if you can sense anything else I may be missing, Or anything else I should be careful about. Thanks as always.
akash
If you haven't already done so, read the guide.

www.uscis.gov/files/article/M-476.pdf
 
Hi,

Another little thing, I have been in the US for the most part after i got my green card in 2005. Went for a 10 week vacation to India after I got the Green card and have been going for 3 weeks every year in the last few years.

Hope that 10 week vacation doesn't hurt the continuous stay requirement.
akash

Not unless you went to India to work for a foreign company.
 
And don't apply EXACTLY 90 days prior to the end of your 5 years. Wait a few days so that there isn't any misunderstanding on CIS's side that you applied too early.
 
And don't apply EXACTLY 90 days prior to the end of your 5 years. Wait a few days so that there isn't any misunderstanding on CIS's side that you applied too early.

I concur! Note that USCIS may reject your application if you are early by even a single day in their opinion; so it is best to wait for some more time before putting in your application.
 
Hi guys,
My 5 years of being a Green Card holder are up on Jan 20, 2010. I guess I can file on Oct 20, 09 for citizenship.
No. 90 days before Jan 20 is Oct. 22. And even Oct. 22 itself is risky, because USCIS sometimes miscounts by one or two days and they have wrongly rejected people who applied exactly on the 90th day before the 5-year GC anniversary. Apply on Oct. 24 or later to protect yourself from their miscounting.
 
No need to worry about it as you weren't required to register at the time.
Kaashi actually was required to register, due to overstaying the B visa in 1997 (which would have been at age 24, based on the mention of being 19 in 1992). However, it is unlikely to be an issue in the interview, as a result of currently being older than 31.
 
Thank you guys, all of you. Very helpful. Will read the link Bobsmyth sent to me about further reading. Thanks Jackolantern about applying on Oct 24th or later. I surely would have missed that one.

Once we get this ball rolling, I am sure I'd be coming here looking for more guidance.

So, this whole process takes between 8-12 months. After one gets the Citizenship, then one files for the fiance or the spousal visa. And does that take another 8-12 months for the girl to come here?
akash
 
Kaashi checkout http://www.immipros.com

They have answers to most of your questions...and also have a Naturalization eligibility worksheet.

Sadly the site works only only on IE6 and IE7. Try using the compatibility mode if you use IE8.

They also have a sample Civics test which you would find useful when after you file.

http://www.immipros.com
 
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