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BoxOfChocs
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Go to ImmigrationVoice.org right now,please!
I found it really educating, and so will everyone else who is interested in ending retrogression!
I feel convinced more than ever - this is indeed what we needed! IV will not run away at crunch-time, because it is made up from all of us!
But, thanks for bringing up the questions!
Will you be man enough to own up in public that your questions have been answered?
Each and every one of your posts has been anwered at ImmigrationVoice.org. Look for the thread on Need answers to IV's legal ability to hire lobbyists!hadron said:Guess what, they file reports on their finances.
I found it really educating, and so will everyone else who is interested in ending retrogression!
I feel convinced more than ever - this is indeed what we needed! IV will not run away at crunch-time, because it is made up from all of us!
But, thanks for bringing up the questions!
Will you be man enough to own up in public that your questions have been answered?
Looked at the thread, between your vile personal attacks it was difficult to make out the informational part.
But let me see:
>> - what is the legal form of your non-profit organization ?
>
> Its on our home page, but just in case, we have applied for 501 C4 status
Ok, so are you a trust, an inc, LLC ? (501c4 is a section of the tax code, not an legal form in the sense of corporation law).
>> - is this entity registered in any state, if yes in which ?
>
> Again, the address is listed on the web site.....but since you did not
> bother to check it, it is NJ
You have a mailbox in NJ, I knew so much. For all I care you could be a delaware or nevada corporation. But thanks for the clarification.
>> - who is registered as the owner of the organizations bank account ?
>
> It is owned by Immigration Voice. Remember, this is a NON Profit
> organization. It cannot be 'owned' by a person. Again this is on
> the web site..
Well, there is a corporation and it owns the accounts (the contributions don't go into some private guys checking account), question answered.
>> - what is the structure of the organization ? Do you have dues
>> paying members, is there a board of directors, trustees ??
>
> Yes....if you know about 501 C4 orgs, they all NEED to have an
> org structure and there are officers and a board of trustees
Thanks for the answer.
>>- who are the officers of the organization ?
>
> Everything is in place. 501 C4 cannot be registered without that.
'everything' is hardly an answer to the question 'who'.
But let me see:
>> - what is the legal form of your non-profit organization ?
>
> Its on our home page, but just in case, we have applied for 501 C4 status
Ok, so are you a trust, an inc, LLC ? (501c4 is a section of the tax code, not an legal form in the sense of corporation law).
>> - is this entity registered in any state, if yes in which ?
>
> Again, the address is listed on the web site.....but since you did not
> bother to check it, it is NJ
You have a mailbox in NJ, I knew so much. For all I care you could be a delaware or nevada corporation. But thanks for the clarification.
>> - who is registered as the owner of the organizations bank account ?
>
> It is owned by Immigration Voice. Remember, this is a NON Profit
> organization. It cannot be 'owned' by a person. Again this is on
> the web site..
Well, there is a corporation and it owns the accounts (the contributions don't go into some private guys checking account), question answered.
>> - what is the structure of the organization ? Do you have dues
>> paying members, is there a board of directors, trustees ??
>
> Yes....if you know about 501 C4 orgs, they all NEED to have an
> org structure and there are officers and a board of trustees
Thanks for the answer.
>>- who are the officers of the organization ?
>
> Everything is in place. 501 C4 cannot be registered without that.
'everything' is hardly an answer to the question 'who'.
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How about adding this paragraph to your 'About Us' page:
Immigration Voice Corp. is registered as a non-profit corporation in the wonderful garden state of New Jersey. Immigration Voice has applied for 501c4 status with the IRS but has not been granted such status as of yet. All officers and board members of the organization are volunteers, this ensures that a large proportion of every $ donated goes to the stated goal of IV.com. A copy of the latest registration and financial information filed by Immigration Voice Corp. may be obtained by contacting us in writing at the address stated in the 'contact us' section of this website. The emphasis of our efforts is to get our voice heard by lawmakers through the employment of a reputable Washington lobbying firm. With exception of some minor administrative, technical and fundraising expenses, all donations are used towards this aspect of our work.
Immigration Voice Corp. is registered as a non-profit corporation in the wonderful garden state of New Jersey. Immigration Voice has applied for 501c4 status with the IRS but has not been granted such status as of yet. All officers and board members of the organization are volunteers, this ensures that a large proportion of every $ donated goes to the stated goal of IV.com. A copy of the latest registration and financial information filed by Immigration Voice Corp. may be obtained by contacting us in writing at the address stated in the 'contact us' section of this website. The emphasis of our efforts is to get our voice heard by lawmakers through the employment of a reputable Washington lobbying firm. With exception of some minor administrative, technical and fundraising expenses, all donations are used towards this aspect of our work.
hadron said:How about adding this paragraph to your 'About Us' page:
Immigration Voice Corp. is registered as a non-profit corporation in the wonderful garden state of New Jersey. Immigration Voice has applied for 501c4 status with the IRS but has not been granted such status as of yet. All officers and board members of the organization are volunteers, this ensures that a large proportion of every $ donated goes to the stated goal of IV.com. A copy of the latest registration and financial information filed by Immigration Voice Corp. may be obtained by contacting us in writing at the address stated in the 'contact us' section of this website. The emphasis of our efforts is to get our voice heard by lawmakers through the employment of a reputable Washington lobbying firm. With exception of some minor administrative, technical and fundraising expenses, all donations are used towards this aspect of our work.
hadron, this kind of constructive help is what we need. If you would like to volunteer more of your time or need more details, please PM me
USCIS_GC_APPRO
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Blood suckers how much blud you guys want.
Sundar99 why the heck you are tell this new here
Sundar99 why the heck you are tell this new here
sundar99 said:Very URGENT :
I was talking to a few of my students who work for different companies about this EB Retro issues last week. some of my students have a few hundred consultants working with them in their MNC.
They are all purchasing Labor Certs for 2000 to 3000 $ each, and are rushing to file 140 presently. This is available in large numbers evidently. It seems like even big Indian MNC are getting into the race !...
So you have the 4 options
1. Suck up and buy the labor Certs and wait for the company to get a reject on I 140 (if their financial status is weak).
2. Write to folks like Lou Dobbs, and like minded guys about how folks are exploiting the labor sub presently to beat the April deadline and how this will affect america as the labor sub guy could also be a sub-standard person too for the job and growth of America.
3. THis can really help you all, because if they pull the plug ASAP on this or even start rejecting 140s for atleast the fraud cases (which may be 98 %) for all Labor Subs filed between Feb and April, you will improve your situation.
4. VERY VERY IMPORTANT - IF you guys just visit various immigration sites to collect information and do nothing beyond the bridge of your nose, then you should buy a return ticket and consider yourself a loser and incompetent to get a GC. Unless you all collectively act and fight the system legally, there is no way out guys !.. it will end up as a n+1 syndrome, your GC will be power of x in years !, and you do not know how your folks back home are doing and will always live in the well called "Miserable Living".
Arise and Awake to the reality, give it a good fight, this is your best year, since next year is impossible to get any consessions, (Election year), so think for yourself. No one is doing another a favour by working for EB Retro issues. You are the biggest beneficiary, if you think to scratch the back, you want someone's help then you are the biggest looser, no one will scratch your back. You have to fight your battle. So do not just come and visit and push off. Do not think others have lot off time and you are the only busy bee. Everyone has a job, their personal and official obligations, we are going beyond our time availablity to work for retrogression. I strongly urge you all to take this as a wake up call before it is TOOOOOOO LATEE TO REGRET ALSOOO...... I can help from the academia, considering lack of interest among most of you, I am sensing it is pointless to help anyone, when their is lack of interest in the EB RETRO Public, without participation., If you want to win election, you need votes. Similarly to win Retrogression, we need votes by way of mass participation. Hope it makes sense to you all.. Come register and strengthen your chances...
uscis_gc_appro.........your post did not make sense??
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Blood suckers how much blud you guys want.
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Sundar99 why the heck you are tell this new here
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Blood suckers how much blud you guys want.
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Sundar99 why the heck you are tell this new here
Please let me know what you mean by 'backfire'
nTan said:Guys from IV,
I would like to know something ---
Say if the lobbying efforts backfires ... and what type of damage control you plan to do...If you any procedures in place, pl put it up in the website.
unitednations said:In the last few weeks; I've seen a lot of postings of how everyone thinks getting rid of labor substitution will somehow make retrogression go away.
This is way off base.
Labor substitution, selling has been going on for many, many years.
Although it may be confined to the South Asian companies who are doing this; the last statistics was that India took approximately 40,000 out of the 240,000 EB labor certification base greencards (that is including dependents.
The labor substitution is mainly to IT people which would be confined to Indians. The other people of the world cannot easily use labor substitution because there isn't a flood of them for cooks, carpenters, etc. and especially those ones were filed prior to april 30, 2001 and people aren't going to substitute themselves onto those because the original beneficiaries need those labors.
If everyone thinks that getting rid of labor substitution is the cure to retrogression; you are all sadly mistaken.
Either DOS will project priority dates based on existing cases and not include the backlog labors which will make it move forwards fast or increase the EB greencards.
Note: I am not a proponent of labor substitution. But I am a realist that the ultimate problem with retrogression is heavier demand then supply.
What you say is right, but the problem with Labor Substitution is that there are lot of consulting compnaies that are fradulantly Substitution each Labor many times over and even substituting old priority date labors for which the 485 has long been approved.
They know these are going to be rejected, but in 99% of the cases the hapless person who bought the labor wont know and he will be told that the application was rejected and that he should go somewhere else.
They are banking that the rejection will come after alomost 1-2 years after the filing of the I-140. In the meatime these fradulent labor's are getting factored in deciding the PD's by the USCIS.
I am assuming this was the reason why the PD's suddenly went back to 1998 and then it took the USCIS 7-8 months to grapple with the garbage and reject the fradulent applications and move the PD. They may be fed up of all this crap and wants to do away with the LS so that they can spend time on the real ones.
In this repect doing away with LS is really going to help. It will stop the unnessasry diversion. I although agree that the April 2001 filers are ultimately going to have a huge impact on PD's, and increase in the Visa numbers is the only cure long term.
But for short term progress and given the fact that the Labor approval for the April 2001 filers have not yet come pouring in, the abolishment of Labor Subsitution will atleast mean that the 2006 vis numbers will not go waste and people legitimately waiting dont have to wait unnessasarily. It will be a huge blow if the 2006 visa numbers goes completely un-utilized. In the present situation there is a real danger for that happening.
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ragz4u said:Please let me know what you mean by 'backfire'
well I just wanted to know ... what will happen if the our lobbying Guru gets caught like what happened to all the Indians guys who are suffering due to Jack Abramoff.
I am NOT worried about loosing money or taking risk with my application ... but it should not put all others application in jeopardy.
Like -- because of lobbyist AAA ... person ZZZ should not suffer --- if ZZZ is no were connected to lobbyist AAA...
But, if ZZZ has paid lobbyist AAA to do it then, it might be OK as ZZZ took an risk.
I say this as in the whole Jack Abramoff Saga ... not only the Indians guys who paid him are suffering but also the whole community of Indians ..
retrogression20
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so nTan, can you pls shed light how the indians who paid lobbyist are suffering
so nTan, can you pls shed light how the indians who paid lobbyist are suffering
Does it applicable to IV also?
Because i paid 200$ bucks.
I am really concerned now. Because that money goes to lobbyist.
Can you pls educate and what i shd do now.
Can i cancel my paypal transaction , as it is not yet processed.
Hope it is not a problem, but let us know how those idnians are suffering who paid to lobbyist.
Please reply...........i do not want to put myself in risk..
so nTan, can you pls shed light how the indians who paid lobbyist are suffering
Does it applicable to IV also?
Because i paid 200$ bucks.
I am really concerned now. Because that money goes to lobbyist.
Can you pls educate and what i shd do now.
Can i cancel my paypal transaction , as it is not yet processed.
Hope it is not a problem, but let us know how those idnians are suffering who paid to lobbyist.
Please reply...........i do not want to put myself in risk..
catch_22_4_GC
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nTan said:well I just wanted to know ... what will happen if the our lobbying Guru gets caught like what happened to all the Indians guys who are suffering due to Jack Abramoff.
I am NOT worried about loosing money or taking risk with my application ... but it should not put all others application in jeopardy.
Like -- because of lobbyist AAA ... person ZZZ should not suffer --- if ZZZ is no were connected to lobbyist AAA...
But, if ZZZ has paid lobbyist AAA to do it then, it might be OK as ZZZ took an risk.
I say this as in the whole Jack Abramoff Saga ... not only the Indians guys who paid him are suffering but also the whole community of Indians ..
nTan - Stop this irrelevant ramblings. FYI, lobbying is not illegal.
And retrogression20 - I can't believe you are dumb enough not to realise that the 'Indians' nTan is talking about are the 'Native Americans' who were lobbying for some Casino related deals. Stop running around town shouting 'Fire'.
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catch_22_4_gc..................who told you lobbying is not illegal ............i am not saying all forms of lobbying by all persons are illegal..
but it is true that we immigrants cannot participate in political lobbying.....which is the most effective form of lobbying....where one donates money to politicians....and they listen to us.....which gives us a chance to change their opinion.......
i do not know how much we can acheive by hiring a lobbying who will tell us to do what??
i am afraid at the end of the day....we may be doing what is common knowledge.....and we still pay the lobbyist a ton of money as consultation fee.
sorry guys....i know you guys are working hard.....but sometimes.....the solution does not lie in hard work.....but working smart..
i am sorry if there is some information on IV which explains the plan of how lobbying will be done or somethin which explains the road map of IV......please just point me to it.......dont tell me that you have full time jobs...and you are a volunteer....and IV is just 2 months old.....planning can be and should be done on day one....so that you know where you are heading to..
and please stop worrying that everytime someone has a concern about the transperancy of this process....he is scaring away people.....infact the more clarification you will give the more people you will win....
BTW you may call me skeptic and negative but i regret to tell you that i do not have any faith in our community being able to do something by uniting together....hence i am not going to waste my time and energy to fight a battle for all those spineless people.....i would rather use that time and energy to make my life better......atleast i can see the results in few months...
few months back i raised concern.....and nobody wanted to even discuss unless i become part of some private club...
my concern is still the same:
1. how do you think we can bring in a legistlation change with the help of 200-300 members....and maybe $50000 , i do not think this is enough....but at the same time i think we will not get more than 1000 people to participate even after a year.....
2. what is the roadmap.........what is the long term plan....
i got anwers to may of my questions thanks to hadron.
but it is true that we immigrants cannot participate in political lobbying.....which is the most effective form of lobbying....where one donates money to politicians....and they listen to us.....which gives us a chance to change their opinion.......
i do not know how much we can acheive by hiring a lobbying who will tell us to do what??
i am afraid at the end of the day....we may be doing what is common knowledge.....and we still pay the lobbyist a ton of money as consultation fee.
sorry guys....i know you guys are working hard.....but sometimes.....the solution does not lie in hard work.....but working smart..
i am sorry if there is some information on IV which explains the plan of how lobbying will be done or somethin which explains the road map of IV......please just point me to it.......dont tell me that you have full time jobs...and you are a volunteer....and IV is just 2 months old.....planning can be and should be done on day one....so that you know where you are heading to..
and please stop worrying that everytime someone has a concern about the transperancy of this process....he is scaring away people.....infact the more clarification you will give the more people you will win....
BTW you may call me skeptic and negative but i regret to tell you that i do not have any faith in our community being able to do something by uniting together....hence i am not going to waste my time and energy to fight a battle for all those spineless people.....i would rather use that time and energy to make my life better......atleast i can see the results in few months...
few months back i raised concern.....and nobody wanted to even discuss unless i become part of some private club...
my concern is still the same:
1. how do you think we can bring in a legistlation change with the help of 200-300 members....and maybe $50000 , i do not think this is enough....but at the same time i think we will not get more than 1000 people to participate even after a year.....
2. what is the roadmap.........what is the long term plan....
i got anwers to may of my questions thanks to hadron.
It cannot happen to Immigration Voice
First and foremost, lets get onething clear....lobbying is NOT illegal. Its what you try getting done and how is what makes it illegal.
In case of Jack Abramoff, he duped the Indian Casinos of a lot of money by using a friend to lobby against them and hence they were forced to hire Abramoff.
This is from Wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abramoff-Reed_Indian_Gambling_Scandal
The Jack Abramoff Indian lobbying scandal is a United States political scandal relating to the work performed by political lobbyists Jack Abramoff, Ralph E. Reed, Jr., Grover Norquist and Michael Scanlon on behalf of Indian casino gambling interests for an estimated $85 million in fees. Abramoff and Scanlon grossly overbilled their clients, secretly splitting the multimillion-dollar profits. In one case, they secretly orchestrated lobbying against their own clients in order to force them to pay for lobbying services.
Plus he paid money to the lawmakers so that they would vote in his clients favor.
IV will not be donating any money to any Political Action Committee. We will not be doing anything ILLEGAL. And NO, nothing will happen to any contributors to IV.
Does that allay any fear you might have?
nTan said:well I just wanted to know ... what will happen if the our lobbying Guru gets caught like what happened to all the Indians guys who are suffering due to Jack Abramoff.
I am NOT worried about loosing money or taking risk with my application ... but it should not put all others application in jeopardy.
Like -- because of lobbyist AAA ... person ZZZ should not suffer --- if ZZZ is no were connected to lobbyist AAA...
But, if ZZZ has paid lobbyist AAA to do it then, it might be OK as ZZZ took an risk.
I say this as in the whole Jack Abramoff Saga ... not only the Indians guys who paid him are suffering but also the whole community of Indians ..
First and foremost, lets get onething clear....lobbying is NOT illegal. Its what you try getting done and how is what makes it illegal.
In case of Jack Abramoff, he duped the Indian Casinos of a lot of money by using a friend to lobby against them and hence they were forced to hire Abramoff.
This is from Wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abramoff-Reed_Indian_Gambling_Scandal
The Jack Abramoff Indian lobbying scandal is a United States political scandal relating to the work performed by political lobbyists Jack Abramoff, Ralph E. Reed, Jr., Grover Norquist and Michael Scanlon on behalf of Indian casino gambling interests for an estimated $85 million in fees. Abramoff and Scanlon grossly overbilled their clients, secretly splitting the multimillion-dollar profits. In one case, they secretly orchestrated lobbying against their own clients in order to force them to pay for lobbying services.
Plus he paid money to the lawmakers so that they would vote in his clients favor.
IV will not be donating any money to any Political Action Committee. We will not be doing anything ILLEGAL. And NO, nothing will happen to any contributors to IV.
Does that allay any fear you might have?
Interesting to note that techy2468 is calling others spineless
Would you please enlighten us what you (apparently the one with a spine) has done for our situation? And what makes you believe that only a political contribution can get stuff done in DC? Atleast we have gone to DC 3/4 times and met various lobbyists to evaluate them and their plans for us, please let us know what is your experience in this matter.
techy2468 said:catch_22_4_gc..................who told you lobbying is not illegal ............i am not saying all forms of lobbying by all persons are illegal..
but it is true that we immigrants cannot participate in political lobbying.....which is the most effective form of lobbying....where one donates money to politicians....and they listen to us.....which gives us a chance to change their opinion.......
i do not know how much we can acheive by hiring a lobbying who will tell us to do what??
i am afraid at the end of the day....we may be doing what is common knowledge.....and we still pay the lobbyist a ton of money as consultation fee.
sorry guys....i know you guys are working hard.....but sometimes.....the solution does not lie in hard work.....but working smart..
i am sorry if there is some information on IV which explains the plan of how lobbying will be done or somethin which explains the road map of IV......please just point me to it.......dont tell me that you have full time jobs...and you are a volunteer....and IV is just 2 months old.....planning can be and should be done on day one....so that you know where you are heading to..
and please stop worrying that everytime someone has a concern about the transperancy of this process....he is scaring away people.....infact the more clarification you will give the more people you will win....
BTW you may call me skeptic and negative but i regret to tell you that i do not have any faith in our community being able to do something by uniting together....hence i am not going to waste my time and energy to fight a battle for all those spineless people.....i would rather use that time and energy to make my life better......atleast i can see the results in few months...
few months back i raised concern.....and nobody wanted to even discuss unless i become part of some private club...
my concern is still the same:
1. how do you think we can bring in a legistlation change with the help of 200-300 members....and maybe $50000 , i do not think this is enough....but at the same time i think we will not get more than 1000 people to participate even after a year.....
2. what is the roadmap.........what is the long term plan....
i got anwers to may of my questions thanks to hadron.
Would you please enlighten us what you (apparently the one with a spine) has done for our situation? And what makes you believe that only a political contribution can get stuff done in DC? Atleast we have gone to DC 3/4 times and met various lobbyists to evaluate them and their plans for us, please let us know what is your experience in this matter.
catch_22_4_GC
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techy2468 said:..................who told you lobbying is not illegal ............i am not saying all forms of lobbying by all persons are illegal..
but it is true that we immigrants cannot participate in political lobbying.....which is the most effective form of lobbying....where one donates money to politicians....and they listen to us.....which gives us a chance to change their opinion.......
Are you on some crack man? You seem to be way offbase with your contradictory words, confusing everyone. Lobbying following ethical rules is certainly LEGAL.
http://www.senate.gov/reference/resources/pdf/RL31126.pdf
BTW, I am in no way connected to IV. But I do appreciate the efforts of anyone who is trying to fight for easing visa retrogression.
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catch_22_4_GC......what i meant was....something which is legal for a usa citizen is not legal for an immigrant....even though it follows the same ethics.
second....we do not vote....that means politicians do not gain any thing from us......which means we can just inform them about our plight and hope they will care for us.........and from what i know......it does not work that way......things will get done only for vote..........or big campaign fund..........and we cannot do any...
as far as educating law makers........we dont need any lobbyist for that........if we are persistant enough we definitely can get appointment with their offices(as been done by IV CA team).......
that brings the question, WHAT IS THE ROLE OF A LOBBYIST in our case???
second....we do not vote....that means politicians do not gain any thing from us......which means we can just inform them about our plight and hope they will care for us.........and from what i know......it does not work that way......things will get done only for vote..........or big campaign fund..........and we cannot do any...
as far as educating law makers........we dont need any lobbyist for that........if we are persistant enough we definitely can get appointment with their offices(as been done by IV CA team).......
that brings the question, WHAT IS THE ROLE OF A LOBBYIST in our case???
retrogression20
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i Cancelled my papyal transaction with ImmigrationVoice.org - and had peace now
i Cancelled my papyal transaction with ImmigrationVoice.org - and had peace now
I do not want to make any jeopardy to my application by contributing to lobbying firms.
I agree with one thing, we can educate lawmakers without all this money/lobbying involved.
why to put fingers, in which things are not clear/ and does not have plan to convince the money contributions.(I mean legal point of view).
God help us to get out of this retrogression.
i Cancelled my papyal transaction with ImmigrationVoice.org - and had peace now
I do not want to make any jeopardy to my application by contributing to lobbying firms.
I agree with one thing, we can educate lawmakers without all this money/lobbying involved.
why to put fingers, in which things are not clear/ and does not have plan to convince the money contributions.(I mean legal point of view).
God help us to get out of this retrogression.
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