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BoxOfChocs
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True, but paying Lobbyists is legal!
I am not a US Civics expert, but neither can be everybody else here!
hadron, just because somebody is Board-certified in one field of Medicine does not make them experts in everything else!
Please expound your expert views on how to win this battle, and we will follow you if that is the better way! Otherwise, please remember that those who forget the lessons of history (i.e. S 1932 defeat) will have to see them repeated!
A lot of foreign governments and entities legally employ lobbyists in Washington. They are merely getting your voice heard by the people's representatives!hadron said:
I am not a US Civics expert, but neither can be everybody else here!
hadron, just because somebody is Board-certified in one field of Medicine does not make them experts in everything else!
Please expound your expert views on how to win this battle, and we will follow you if that is the better way! Otherwise, please remember that those who forget the lessons of history (i.e. S 1932 defeat) will have to see them repeated!
BoxOfChocs
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Retrogression is scarier in reality, friends!
I do not want to scare anybody, just point to the reality!
Retrogression means hanging in a limbo for how long, God only nows! I am more scared of this than anything else!
I am just trying to convey to everybody that there is a decent chance that Retrogression can be overcome legislatively! But if you are affected by it, do not just on the sidelines and watch! Try everything! Fax the legislators! Send letters!
And, also join IV literally and monetarily! Unfortunately, we can only buy lobbyists' time to make our voice matter!
Give it a good thought, and you will realize that it will be money and effort that is well-directed - atleast I hope so! I am willing to put my money where it may make a difference for me and my family!
No words of mine or any one else can ever be scarier than the reality of Retrogression!nTan said:
I do not want to scare anybody, just point to the reality!
Retrogression means hanging in a limbo for how long, God only nows! I am more scared of this than anything else!
I am just trying to convey to everybody that there is a decent chance that Retrogression can be overcome legislatively! But if you are affected by it, do not just on the sidelines and watch! Try everything! Fax the legislators! Send letters!
And, also join IV literally and monetarily! Unfortunately, we can only buy lobbyists' time to make our voice matter!
Give it a good thought, and you will realize that it will be money and effort that is well-directed - atleast I hope so! I am willing to put my money where it may make a difference for me and my family!
Correct, and they are very careful to be registered with the secretary of state as a PAC or public interest lobbying organization. As you point out I am certainly not an expert on the law in this area, but before you start collecting a lot of money, make sure you have competent advice from someone who is (I looked into registering an immigration related PAC a year ago, after realizing the red-tape and political minefields involved I decided not to do so).
I actually don't know how to do that.
The reality is, in washington there are two things that open the door of a lawmakers office to a lobbyist:
- a check from the PAC aligned with his cause
- evidence that he represents measurable share of voting citizens in the home district of the representative or senator
And do you see the problem here?
You guys can't legally contribute to political campaigns and you don't represent voting citizens. So, having a lobbyist might be a first step, but it doesn't mean that your cause will be heard.
Our main ally in the immigration arena is the US chamber of commerce. They are spending considerable money on advocating for employment based immigration reform (their main thrust however is getting access to unskilled workers, either through a guest worker program or through legalization. in a secondary way they are interested in higher H1b quotas to get access to cheap professionals, fixing retrogression is not very high on their agenda). Have you talked to other organizations classically on our side yet ?
Please, save me the melodramatics.
Immigration bills get introduced by the dozen every year, most of them don't even make it into committee (but every time one gets introduced, people here on this board get all excited that finally 'relief is here'.) Even if a coalition of influential senators picks up the issue, there is no guarantee that it will go anywhere.
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whats ur suggestion hadron?
your messages are blatant facts. good that you know dozen of immigration bills dont even make it.
when you know this and also the politics in lobbying, i guess you can put down your views as suggestions to ppl at IV, something that they might have missed out ( Quite possible).
My point is are you in support of this movement or are you here to point the shortcomings which will be good if you put it in a manner that will serve as a new direction rather than being angry at the messages and forum.
Be the leader and show the right direction, what say?
your messages are blatant facts. good that you know dozen of immigration bills dont even make it.
when you know this and also the politics in lobbying, i guess you can put down your views as suggestions to ppl at IV, something that they might have missed out ( Quite possible).
My point is are you in support of this movement or are you here to point the shortcomings which will be good if you put it in a manner that will serve as a new direction rather than being angry at the messages and forum.
Be the leader and show the right direction, what say?
I am not angry at anyone, and I don't think that any of my posts can be misconstrued to convey that impression.
I think it is a good idea to start (another) lobbying organization for immigrant rights as the existing ones have a interests very different from us. All the latino groups are only interested in family immigration and legalization of illegals, employment based immigration is only a little blip on their radar screen. Industry on the other hand has their own agenda, again not one coinciding with our issues.
I just think that some of the people involved in IV.com are taking step2 before they have taken step1. They have a nice website (no big suprise with a project run by IT professionals) and are already soliciting contributions, but some aspects of it make me wonder about the level of professionalism involved.
So as apparently some of the founders of this organization are present on this board, I would like the following questions answered:
- what is the legal form of your non-profit organization ?
- is this entity registered in any state, if yes in which ?
- who is registered as the owner of the organizations bank account ?
- what is the structure of the organization ? Do you have dues paying members, is there a board of directors, trustees ??
- who are the officers of the organization ?
Collecting contributions and spending them on political influence activities without making sure that all legal requirements are fulfilled is a dangerous endeavour. I hope you have everything set up the right way so you don't run afoul of the law (fixing retrogression is not going to do you any good if you are fighting a federal wire-fraud indictment at the time of your adjustment interview).
Also, if you want to collect significant contributions, you have to instill some trust into the donors that their money will be used for the intended cause and can't be siphoned off by a member of the organization.
So, before anyone decides to attack me personally, please come back with answers to these questions (or better, put them on the website for any potential contributor to see).
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hadron said:
HEY HADRON
U TAKE THE INTIATIVE TO START A NEW ORGANISATION WITH UR SO CALLED IDEAS AND SO CALLED AIMS...I WILL JOIN U....
IT IS NOT EASY TO DO THAT..MY FRIEND...DO IT AND MSG ME..I WILL BE THERE....
IF U DONT LIKE THEM..DONT JOIN THEM...AND LET THEM DO THEIR BUSINESS
DONT FAULT SOMEONE IF THEY R READY TO WORK...AS FAR AS I KNOW...IV IS A DOING A VERY GOOD WORK...
SO WHN R U STARTING UR NEW ORGANISATION....?
What's up with the yelling ?
That is my point.
If you took the time to read my posts, you could actually see that I support their cause and even the formation of a new organization. But before I fork over any amount of money, I would like some basic questions about the organization answered.
That is my point.
If you took the time to read my posts, you could actually see that I support their cause and even the formation of a new organization. But before I fork over any amount of money, I would like some basic questions about the organization answered.
What is wrong with putting this information on the website ?
Learn from your enemies:
http://www.cairco.org/info/about.html
(they might be whack-jobs, but at least they are well organized whack-jobs.)
Or even better, learn from your allies:
http://www.miracoalition.org/index.pl/about/staff
http://www.miracoalition.org/index.pl/about/board-members5
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Connect with IV ppl or anyone else and make a decision yourself
Hadron!
i think your views are correct. you definitely want some very good answers to excellent q's. why dont you go on to www.immigration.org and see what they do and question the Board of Trustees, or officers and im sure that something will come out
besides, i think that you could show a very valid route thro' commerce industry as noted in a previous post of yours.
Thats one good direction the efforts must go in! isnt it? so voice it !!!
and BTW, there;s nothing personal in opposing your views or any attack intended, so chill... we all want to get out of this mess thro' a collective effort
Hadron!
i think your views are correct. you definitely want some very good answers to excellent q's. why dont you go on to www.immigration.org and see what they do and question the Board of Trustees, or officers and im sure that something will come out
besides, i think that you could show a very valid route thro' commerce industry as noted in a previous post of yours.
Thats one good direction the efforts must go in! isnt it? so voice it !!!
and BTW, there;s nothing personal in opposing your views or any attack intended, so chill... we all want to get out of this mess thro' a collective effort
hardon,
I don't think folks from immigrationvoice.org will have any problem sharing that information, just as soon as you introduce yourself. Isn't it appropriate that you first identify yourself, before you ask others?
Secondly, would you agree to donate $200 toward IV's effort (I assume you must be affected by backlogs/retrogression if you visit this board) if you got that information? If not, there is no merit in your request.
I don't think folks from immigrationvoice.org will have any problem sharing that information, just as soon as you introduce yourself. Isn't it appropriate that you first identify yourself, before you ask others?
Secondly, would you agree to donate $200 toward IV's effort (I assume you must be affected by backlogs/retrogression if you visit this board) if you got that information? If not, there is no merit in your request.
Oh, so the identity of the people running the organization is some sort of secret, only to be handed out on a 'need to know basis'.
You guys are trying to garner public support for your situation. If you start being secretive about such basic things, you are going to have a hard time to get that support. ANYONE has a right to know who the people behind an organization in the business of influencing public policy are.
munnu77705
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no
if u get all the questions..rt...r u rady to go for the immigration raaly in washington on march 13th...
u can see each one of them face to face...
dont say..u r busy and u dont have time...people have alrady signed up for the rally
hadron said:Oh, so the identity of the people running the organization is some sort of secret, only to be handed out on a 'need to know basis'.
You guys are trying to garner public support for your situation. If you start being secretive about such basic things, you are going to have a hard time to get that support. ANYONE has a right to know who the people behind an organization in the business of influencing public policy are.
if u get all the questions..rt...r u rady to go for the immigration raaly in washington on march 13th...
u can see each one of them face to face...
dont say..u r busy and u dont have time...people have alrady signed up for the rally
Lets see what the public records have to say about your organization:
- you are registered as a non-profit corp in NJ
- you solicit charitable contributions
- but you are not registered with the department of consumer protection. As a result no information is available as to what you are doing with the cash collected....
- you are registered as a non-profit corp in NJ
- you solicit charitable contributions
- but you are not registered with the department of consumer protection. As a result no information is available as to what you are doing with the cash collected....
berkeleybee
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hadron said:
Genuinely curious -- do other non-profits tell us on their webpage what exactly they are spending their money on? Are they registered with the Dept of Consumer Protection?
Also, about the other comparison organizations -- not sure when MIRA was started, but IV is only a month and half old! MIRA even has money to employ people! IV is run completely by volunteers with full time jobs. You have to cut IV some slack. The IV Contributions page does assure its donors, but perhaps it is not enough for some. We are just getting started, and these issues will come before Congress pretty soon -- we can't wait to be like MIRA before we act.
hadron said:
hadron,
Do you really think that a top lobbyists like Quinn Gillespie would take on a project that is illegal especially in a climate in which all lobbying activities are under the lens. Do you think that all the core group members of IV will be willing to put their personal names without verifying it? Do you know the number of Immigrant Associations that have hired lobbyists before? If you really think that you know something that all the immigration associations, lawyers and lobbyists that we have spoken to do not know, I would love to speak to you.
If you have received as much hate mail and threatening mails as what I have received, you will understand why we're giving sensitive information on a strictly need to know business.
If you are really interested in helping us, go ahead and send me your contact information. My email id is siva@immigrationvoice.org. After verifying you and your intent, I will give you the required details.
If you are only interested in stroking your ego by proving how much you know, without doing any thing constructive, then continue posting here.
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BoxOfChocs
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Join IV and see from inside! Also, bring your expertise!
Rajiv Khanna is a shrewd attorney, and here is what he wrote about the people behind IV
Hadron, why don't you join IV and see everything? If you wanted to create an organization to get lobbyists - why don't you join this organization that is already in the process of nearly doing it!hadron said:
Rajiv Khanna is a shrewd attorney, and here is what he wrote about the people behind IV
People have benefitted from your expertise in the past at various fora here - why not share it more and enhance everybody's chances including your own!
Guess what, they file reports on their finances.
I really have no bone to pick with anyone here. I have never said that what you guys are doing is illegal, I just hope that you have competent counsel that you stay within the bounds of what is (and these boundaries are often a bit diffuse once you reach the world of political finance).
I certainly appreciate your enthusiasm, I just find your covert and secretive ways a bit odd. You go out to solicit contributions, and you intend to influence public policy in this country. But then you are not willing to put some very basic information about your organization into the public domain ?
(the hate mail argument doesn't really cut it. you want to go into politics, get used to the bare-knuckle tactics involved. the people on the other side of this debate are well organized, don't expect kindness if you go up against their pseudo-religious beliefs)
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