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DV 2022 All Selectees (Consular Processing - CP)

Hi,
How do I know how many people from my own country (Iran) are in the line before me (not from all the region).. is there any formula or something?
 

Shabnamiii

You won't know that, because consulate appears in the data only after case is ready. You can see how many ready/issued etc cases are before you from your country, but not the total number.
 
HI all. Happy new year to you all.

I am curious. In an ideal situation if my case number becomes current in April for example, does that mean I'm supposed to be interviewed in April or am I supposed to receive my 2nl in April and therefore my interview takes place in May/June?
 
In AS there's a lot of entries from Nepal and Iran. Aroung 80%. This means when they assign the numbers randomly 80% are from Nepal and Iran. So, they put an early cutoff for those two. Otherwise, in that 30k number of cases, rhere would be 15000 selectees from Iran and Nepal for 3850 limited visas.

You can get from the data that the highest Nepalese case is ~12500 and Iran ~14000. The rest of Asia are from 1- 31k distributed uniformly.
The force is strong with this one.
 
HI all. Happy new year to you all.

I am curious. In an ideal situation if my case number becomes current in April for example, does that mean I'm supposed to be interviewed in April or am I supposed to receive my 2nl in April and therefore my interview takes place in May/June?
The former, that's why the visa bulletin is released 2 months in advance, to allow early scheduling
 
In AS there's a lot of entries from Nepal and Iran. Aroung 80%. This means when they assign the numbers randomly 80% are from Nepal and Iran. So, they put an early cutoff for those two. Otherwise, in that 30k number of cases, rhere would be 15000 selectees from Iran and Nepal for 3850 limited visas.

You can get from the data that the highest Nepalese case is ~12500 and Iran ~14000. The rest of Asia are from 1- 31k distributed uniformly.
Grateful for your explanation. I was checking the chart from xarthisius.xyz but I am not so capable of interpreting the chart, though I see it is very informative for somebody who is capable of interpreting it. I understand somewhat the first chart with percentage and case numbers but I do not know why the "holes" part got wider from the numbers 13k-14k. Could you please explain what is implied by that?
Also is there any specific number of visas allocated for each region or country? Thank you so much.
 
Congratulations to all DV 2022 selectees that have received their visas and those scheduled for interviews, God's only blessings to go before you. Any update from Nairobi Embassy for those under that post in regards to scheduling interviews.
 
Grateful for your explanation. I was checking the chart from xarthisius.xyz but I am not so capable of interpreting the chart, though I see it is very informative for somebody who is capable of interpreting it. I understand somewhat the first chart with percentage and case numbers but I do not know why the "holes" part got wider from the numbers 13k-14k. Could you please explain what is implied by that?
Also is there any specific number of visas allocated for each region or country? Thank you so much.

So, in the initial entry let's say 1 million entries participate for Asia. about 80% of them are from Nepal and Iran. The other 20% are from the rest of Asia. In a (pseudo-)random process, they use an algorithm to assign every entry a number from 1 to 1 million. They interpret the word random as having a uniform distribution which means everyone's probability of getting any of the numbers must be equal, e.g. 1/(1 million). So, in every 1000 column of numbers, 800 will go to entries from Nepal and Asia and 200 to the rest of Asia. They will probably also check the uniform distribution of the statistical features (e.g. age, gender, degrees, etc) in the columns. So, if 20% of the Nepal and Iranian entries are above age of 50, then from the 800, about 160 should be above 50. And so on, this uniformity must be present in a uniform manner in every 1000 columns for all the columns (1000 colums of 1000 people). Otherwise, the lottery draw is flawed.

Then, they process the selectees from cases going from 1,2,3,... . If the case is not genuine (e.g. picture is a tree), they will become a hole and if they are genuine by their initial standards they will be selected as a selectee. They will keep this going on until they hit their wanted number of selectees. So, if they wanted 24000 winners from Asia, they kept going on until the case 31xxx which was the 24000th selectee.
However, as explained in paragraph 1, the Nepal and Iranian cases make up 80% of the cases they encounter, so they have to cut the number of cases they select. So, they say for 3850 (7% limit) limited visas, based on our statistical data from previous years, we need to select 3800 people from Nepal (cases grow and high response rate) and 5739 from Iran. So, in their selection once they select the 3800th Nepalese case, they will also make the rest of Nepalese holes. So, case number 12xxx is a Nepalese that is 3800th selectee. Then 12xxx+1 could also be a Nepalese but they will be hole. Same with Iran, in the 14k. This means at two points were they put the cutoffs, the number of holes must increase

Back to xarthisius' data and why the holes increase:
Given the uniformity described in paragraph 1, the 40% holes in the beginning until 12k are all the cases that were deemed fraudulent (e.g. picture of a tree). Also, from 1-31k, in every thousand case, 40% are the fraudulent entries that were made holes because of fraudulent entries. This is due to the uniformity described. (Reason 1 for becoming a blue hole) ----> making 40% hole
From 12xxx where Nepalese cases start to be cut, there's an increase in holes. These are because of Nepalese cases who were made hole because they had enough Nepalese by then to fill the 3850 visas available before their case number.
Then from 14k, there's an increase in holes in addition to the fraudulent cases and the Nepalese holes. This is due to the early cutoff for Iranians. So, the additional holes are actually Iranian entries who were made holes because they had selected enough Iranians to fill the 3850 visas available.
After 31k, where they have selected 24000 people from all of Asia, all cases above will become holes. So, all these holes will get the you're not selected on the website and the selectees will get the 1nl letter and invitation to proceed with their process.


Sorry for the long answer and my badly grammar writing. I'm not re-reading it. But, the main key to understand this data is the concept of a uniform distribution (Google it). You need to get that, the initial random draw in the lottery process is about coming up with a uniform distribution in the allocation of case rank numbers to all entries with respect to the statistical features of the data. This seems to be their interpretation of the word random. Note that the uniformity will be propagated in a manner throughout the process. Now you can understand their draw of the lottery process and the selection of winners. The rest of the process is about issuing 55k visas according to the case number and not violating the 7% limit per country by the end of the fiscal year. That's the whole process.

You could also use the data to infer the percentage of cases who are from Nepal, Iran and rest of Asia. Then, get the density (e.g. number of Nepalese/Iranian/Yemen/Japanese/... selectees in every 1000 column ) since we know the number of selectees from each country as published in the August 2021 bulletin and again the uniformity that I described.
 
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Also is there any specific number of visas allocated for each region or country? Thank you so much.
AS has 8500 visa quota. I don't know about others.

Another question: Why did they select 24000 people for 8500 visas. It is an over-selected year, but this is too much.
My speculation: They use statistical models to see how many they wanna select. Their model took into account the data from years 2017-2020 which were heavily affected by Trump ban. So, they used models which assumed the presence of a Trump ban making many people inadmissible, thus the need for selection of more people. They messed up and should have taken into account that the ban is over.
 
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So, in the initial entry let's say 1 million entries participate for Asia. about 80% of them are from Nepal and Iran. The other 20% are from the rest of Asia. In a (pseudo-)random process, they use an algorithm to assign every entry a number from 1 to 1 million. They interpret the word random as having a uniform distribution which means everyone's probability of getting any of the numbers must be equal, e.g. 1/(1 million). So, in every 1000 column of numbers, 800 will go to entries from Nepal and Asia and 200 to the rest of Asia. They will probably also check the uniform distribution of the statistical features (e.g. age, gender, degrees, etc) in the columns. So, if 20% of the Nepal and Iranian entries are above age of 50, then from the 800, about 160 should be above 50. And so on, this uniformity must be present in a uniform manner in every 1000 columns for all the columns (1000 colums of 1000 people). Otherwise, the lottery draw is flawed.

Then, they process the selectees from cases going from 1,2,3,... . If the case is not genuine (e.g. picture is a tree), they will become a hole and if they are genuine by their initial standards they will be selected as a selectee. They will keep this going on until they hit their wanted number of selectees. So, if they wanted 24000 winners from Asia, they kept going on until the case 31xxx which was the 24000th selectee.
However, as explained in paragraph 1, the Nepal and Iranian cases make up 80% of the cases they encounter, so they have to cut the number of cases they select. So, they say for 3850 (7% limit) limited visas, based on our statistical data from previous years, we need to select 3800 people from Nepal (cases grow and high response rate) and 5739 from Iran. So, in their selection once they select the 3800th Nepalese case, they will also make the rest of Nepalese holes. So, case number 12xxx is a Nepalese that is 3800th selectee. Then 12xxx+1 could also be a Nepalese but they will be hole. Same with Iran, in the 14k. This means at two points were they put the cutoffs, the number of holes must increase

Back to xarthisius' data and why the holes increase:
Given the uniformity described in paragraph 1, the 40% holes in the beginning until 12k are all the cases that were deemed fraudulent (e.g. picture of a tree). Also, from 1-31k, in every thousand case, 40% are the fraudulent entries that were made holes because of fraudulent entries. This is due to the uniformity described. (Reason 1 for becoming a blue hole) ----> making 40% hole
From 12xxx where Nepalese cases start to be cut, there's an increase in holes. These are because of Nepalese cases who were made hole because they had enough Nepalese by then to fill the 3850 visas available before their case number.
Then from 14k, there's an increase in holes in addition to the fraudulent cases and the Nepalese holes. This is due to the early cutoff for Iranians. So, the additional holes are actually Iranian entries who were made holes because they had selected enough Iranians to fill the 3850 visas available.
After 31k, where they have selected 24000 people from all of Asia, all cases above will become holes. So, all these holes will get the you're not selected on the website and the selectees will get the 1nl letter and invitation to proceed with their process.


Sorry for the long answer and my badly grammar writing. I'm not re-reading it. But, the main key to understand this data is the concept of a uniform distribution (Google it). You need to get that, the initial random draw in the lottery process is about coming up with a uniform distribution in the allocation of case rank numbers to all entries with respect to the statistical features of the data. This seems to be their interpretation of the word random. Note that the uniformity will be propagated in a manner throughout the process. Now you can understand their draw of the lottery process and the selection of winners. The rest of the process is about issuing 55k visas according to the case number and not violating the 7% limit per country by the end of the fiscal year. That's the whole process.

You could also use the data to infer the percentage of cases who are from Nepal, Iran and rest of Asia. Then, get the density (e.g. number of Nepalese/Iranian/Yemen/Japanese/... selectees in every 1000 column ) since we know the number of selectees from each country as published in the August 2021 bulletin and again the uniformity that I described.
Great and valuable explanation. Thank you. This is a great help for us to understand this process. Now I have a fair understanding, and will follow your advice further to understand this process. What does it mean when it appears on individual status check that there are 11K cases that yield 21K people "before you"? I guess that means an unpredictable interview appointment due to the high case number, if AS has 8500? Thanks for your valuable answers.
 
So, in the initial entry let's say 1 million entries participate for Asia. about 80% of them are from Nepal and Iran. The other 20% are from the rest of Asia. In a (pseudo-)random process, they use an algorithm to assign every entry a number from 1 to 1 million. They interpret the word random as having a uniform distribution which means everyone's probability of getting any of the numbers must be equal, e.g. 1/(1 million). So, in every 1000 column of numbers, 800 will go to entries from Nepal and Asia and 200 to the rest of Asia. They will probably also check the uniform distribution of the statistical features (e.g. age, gender, degrees, etc) in the columns. So, if 20% of the Nepal and Iranian entries are above age of 50, then from the 800, about 160 should be above 50. And so on, this uniformity must be present in a uniform manner in every 1000 columns for all the columns (1000 colums of 1000 people). Otherwise, the lottery draw is flawed.

Then, they process the selectees from cases going from 1,2,3,... . If the case is not genuine (e.g. picture is a tree), they will become a hole and if they are genuine by their initial standards they will be selected as a selectee. They will keep this going on until they hit their wanted number of selectees. So, if they wanted 24000 winners from Asia, they kept going on until the case 31xxx which was the 24000th selectee.
However, as explained in paragraph 1, the Nepal and Iranian cases make up 80% of the cases they encounter, so they have to cut the number of cases they select. So, they say for 3850 (7% limit) limited visas, based on our statistical data from previous years, we need to select 3800 people from Nepal (cases grow and high response rate) and 5739 from Iran. So, in their selection once they select the 3800th Nepalese case, they will also make the rest of Nepalese holes. So, case number 12xxx is a Nepalese that is 3800th selectee. Then 12xxx+1 could also be a Nepalese but they will be hole. Same with Iran, in the 14k. This means at two points were they put the cutoffs, the number of holes must increase

Back to xarthisius' data and why the holes increase:
Given the uniformity described in paragraph 1, the 40% holes in the beginning until 12k are all the cases that were deemed fraudulent (e.g. picture of a tree). Also, from 1-31k, in every thousand case, 40% are the fraudulent entries that were made holes because of fraudulent entries. This is due to the uniformity described. (Reason 1 for becoming a blue hole) ----> making 40% hole
From 12xxx where Nepalese cases start to be cut, there's an increase in holes. These are because of Nepalese cases who were made hole because they had enough Nepalese by then to fill the 3850 visas available before their case number.
Then from 14k, there's an increase in holes in addition to the fraudulent cases and the Nepalese holes. This is due to the early cutoff for Iranians. So, the additional holes are actually Iranian entries who were made holes because they had selected enough Iranians to fill the 3850 visas available.
After 31k, where they have selected 24000 people from all of Asia, all cases above will become holes. So, all these holes will get the you're not selected on the website and the selectees will get the 1nl letter and invitation to proceed with their process.


Sorry for the long answer and my badly grammar writing. I'm not re-reading it. But, the main key to understand this data is the concept of a uniform distribution (Google it). You need to get that, the initial random draw in the lottery process is about coming up with a uniform distribution in the allocation of case rank numbers to all entries with respect to the statistical features of the data. This seems to be their interpretation of the word random. Note that the uniformity will be propagated in a manner throughout the process. Now you can understand their draw of the lottery process and the selection of winners. The rest of the process is about issuing 55k visas according to the case number and not violating the 7% limit per country by the end of the fiscal year. That's the whole process.

You could also use the data to infer the percentage of cases who are from Nepal, Iran and rest of Asia. Then, get the density (e.g. number of Nepalese/Iranian/Yemen/Japanese/... selectees in every 1000 column ) since we know the number of selectees from each country as published in the August 2021 bulletin and again the uniformity that I described.
That's a pretty good recap. However a couple of points.

There is no later analysis of age, gender, degrees etc. Those factors have nothing to do with the draw.

The 7% limit is not a precise measure at this stage. It informs the selectee numbers, yes but I think it is loosely applied. There have been years where they have let limited countries go further than the 7% would have allowed, and therefore retained a VB cutoff for that country. It's actually a bit "odd" because the limit is supposed to be on issuances, not selection. There is no support for the selection limit that I have ever found in the laws or regs controlling the lottery. Not that I am objecting - it's sensible, just not easily justified.

We should also be clear that the numbers of limited cutoffs each year varies for a number of factors, so there have been years with much different limits applied, and Nepal and Iran have switched places a couple of times as to which country gets limited first. It depends on entries and first pass disqualifications.
 
Great and valuable explanation. Thank you. This is a great help for us to understand this process. Now I have a fair understanding, and will follow your advice further to understand this process. What does it mean when it appears on individual status check that there are 11K cases that yield 21K people "before you"? I guess that means an unpredictable interview appointment due to the high case number, if AS has 8500? Thanks for your valuable answers.
AS has 8500 visas for People (main case + derivative, the average people/case is ~2). It helps you understand where your case stands.
The mathematics goes like this:
21000 (people behind you) * 0.65 (65% average response rate) * 0.9 (10% refusals) = 12285
This means about 12k people are with a lower case number who are selected, positively responded to move with their case and will be eligible for issuance.
If the final calculated number is <8500, then the case is safe. Meaning if all was normal and everything worked usually that person would go current and have a chance to be alloted a visa number to his case and most likely interviewed.
So, based on this calculation, I would say that case is high/unsafe. Meaning there would be enough people beneath you to finish the 8500 visas and that case would not be current IF everything was working normally. Check xarthisius' 2015 data and you'll see what I mean. In a normal year, you could check and see if your case is safe (<8500) or unsafe (>10000) or inbetween (8k-10k).

HOWEVER, this is not a normal year and you cannot predict things. The world in March 2022 will be a different world from Jan 2022 and May 2022 will be a different one from March 2022. The calculation is not conclusive and there does exist a possibility of that case going current and getting an interview depending on what happens in the rest of the year and that person's embassy and case, which would not happen if the year was normal.


TLDR (too long; didn't read): If the year was normal that case mentioned could give up and save him/her the 9 months of suffering now. But, because of the abnormality of this year, the calculation is not conclusive. There can be hope and a scenario depending on how the year plays out and what their embassy and attributes of their case is. Basically, nothing decisive that you hadn't discovered by now.
 
Does anyone know how long KCC are taking now to unlock DS260s? Is it back to a normal few days or still taking weeks?
 
Congratulations to all DV 2022 selectees that have received their visas and those scheduled for interviews, God's only blessings to go before you. Any update from Nairobi Embassy for those under that post in regards to scheduling interviews.
From the ceac data it looks like no interviews have been conducted yet.
 
My dear moderators,

When do you think is the ideal time to do my medical?4,3,2 weeks before interview date?
 
AS has 8500 visas for People (main case + derivative, the average people/case is ~2). It helps you understand where your case stands.
The mathematics goes like this:
21000 (people behind you) * 0.65 (65% average response rate) * 0.9 (10% refusals) = 12285
This means about 12k people are with a lower case number who are selected, positively responded to move with their case and will be eligible for issuance.
If the final calculated number is <8500, then the case is safe. Meaning if all was normal and everything worked usually that person would go current and have a chance to be alloted a visa number to his case and most likely interviewed.
So, based on this calculation, I would say that case is high/unsafe. Meaning there would be enough people beneath you to finish the 8500 visas and that case would not be current IF everything was working normally. Check xarthisius' 2015 data and you'll see what I mean. In a normal year, you could check and see if your case is safe (<8500) or unsafe (>10000) or inbetween (8k-10k).

HOWEVER, this is not a normal year and you cannot predict things. The world in March 2022 will be a different world from Jan 2022 and May 2022 will be a different one from March 2022. The calculation is not conclusive and there does exist a possibility of that case going current and getting an interview depending on what happens in the rest of the year and that person's embassy and case, which would not happen if the year was normal.


TLDR (too long; didn't read): If the year was normal that case mentioned could give up and save him/her the 9 months of suffering now. But, because of the abnormality of this year, the calculation is not conclusive. There can be hope and a scenario depending on how the year plays out and what their embassy and attributes of their case is. Basically, nothing decisive that you hadn't discovered by now.
Thank you so much for the explanation. Now I am relieved - rather than waiting anxiously not knowing what happens. This is great rather than the disappointment later. I also happen to find Mr. Simon's explanation from 1st Jan and now I can understand this process better. I am also grateful for you to the effort you have taken to write the long and detailed explanations. Great job done, thanks again for both of you.
 
My dear moderators,

When do you think is the ideal time to do my medical?4,3,2 weeks before interview date?
You can typically only book the medical once you have an interview date.
As soon as you have one, then book the medical with the approved doctor. The medical results are valid for months (6, I believe, but double check), so the difference between 2 and 4 weeks before interview makes no difference in the end.
Imho, I wouldn't leave it to the last moment in case something changes and you need to rebook.
 
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