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SusieQQQ said:
Well, that has nothing to do with my comment.

so what was the fake news according to you?
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News credibility is authenticated by source
It was very premature for people to announce without quoting an official source hence fake news
Now we have an official source, so it's official news
US news are from .gov not from bloggers and news agencies without a press release
 
FRAN 2020AF30XXX said:
I know a number of my friends who entered because they arrived before official communication was posted and they're in the US as we speak now
That's what I was talking about
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I admit to being curious about these people who managed to fly between midnight eastern time when the earlier proclamation was still in effect, and land before the new one was published. Can you share what flight number they were on?

Maybe noteworthy that while published this morning, the latest proclamation is dated last night.
 
FRAN 2020AF30XXX said:
News credibility is authenticated by source
It was very premature for people to announce without quoting an official source hence fake news
Now we have an official source, so it's official news
US news are from .gov not from bloggers and news agencies without a press release
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Fran, really, it was a number of highly reputable news sources saying the same thing, they clearly got their news from the White House even if the proclamation had not been published on a website yet. The WH has various ways of briefing the press without requiring an actual press release, there is a whole section of the press that does nothing else but report on the White House. They even have offices in the White House itself, google White House press corps.
 
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TheKey said:
Sidebar: if you plan on still travelling during this extension, I would not recommend it. Some selectees have claimed that airlines have some sort of “list” barring travel.

This “list” apparently has names of people with valid visas, but are still subject to the proclamation. Airlines have told those people that they got that information from the American government (consulates/embassies).

(This information may not be reliable. But it’s still worth considering before you fly out and/or book a non-refundable ticket).
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From what I know some airlines won't even issue you a ticket if you are part of the PP.
 
SusieQQQ said:
Fran, really, it was a number of highly reputable news sources saying the same thing, they clearly got their news from the White House even if the proclamation had not been published on a website yet. The WH has various ways of briefing the press without requiring an actual press release, there is a whole section of the press that does nothing else but report on the White House. They even have offices in the White House itself, google White House press corps.
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Thanks my dear. You are the best. Always enlightening. Be blessed
 
SSK4U said:
From what I know some airlines won't even issue you a ticket if you are part of the PP.
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I don’t think that’s true, at least if buying online, the airline always puts the onus on the passenger to ensure they have the correct documentation to fly where they are going. Although they will always ask you to input the information for APIS on the website, it is not a requirement for purchase and only actually has to be checked at the airport before departure. If you are buying direct from an airline office or physical travel agent it might be different in terms of what they check before issuing a ticket.
 
SusieQQQ said:
I don’t think that’s true, at least if buying online, the airline always puts the onus on the passenger to ensure they have the correct documentation to fly where they are going. Although they will always ask you to input the information for APIS on the website, it is not a requirement for purchase and only actually has to be checked at the airport before departure. If you are buying direct from an airline office or physical travel agent it might be different in terms of what they check before issuing a ticket.
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You are right
 
SusieQQQ said:
Yes, now that it’s a normal time. Not sure why people think a 1am statement was necessary

There’s already pressure on Biden to reverse this as soon as he assumes office. Let’s hope that happens.
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This is the only hope, but I have some different thoughts, since the ban has been extended only up to 31st March 2021 and mostly focused on the DV cases and which around 6000 odd numbers. If Biden wants to revoke the same , he has to tell a clear reason against the Trump argument that loosing job opportunities for the natives. This is a political statement and Biden may care about his political image too in front of natives.
If the proclamation had been extended to at least up to June, Biden may consider it. I do really feel he Just leave this to expire since he has to live with this only for two months.
 
nimalr said:
This is the only hope, but I have some different thoughts, since the ban has been extended only up to 31st March 2021 and mostly focused on the DV cases and which around 6000 odd numbers. If Biden wants to revoke the same , he has to tell a clear reason against the Trump argument that loosing job opportunities for the natives. This is a political statement and Biden may care about his political image too in front of natives.
If the proclamation had been extended to at least up to June, Biden may consider it. I do really feel he Just leave this to expire since he has to live with this only for two months.
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The part I bolded above is absolutely incorrect. DV cases are usually 50k a year, the family visas affected are usually around 250-300k a year. And no, he doesn’t need any reason at all to reverse the order, certainly not one to justify the patently political reasoning used for anything outside the employment immigrant visa categories affected. (Which by the way are usually only around 15k a year). For example, how do the 60-100k parents of citizens a year, most of whom are retired, under the currently banned IR5 category pose a problem for jobs? Or minor children on F2A? It’s obviously a rubbish excuse. As for “natives”, it is precisely those voting citizens whose families are stuck unable to move forward on their visa applications, who are very disenchanted especially after many of them have already been waiting more than a decade and now have this extra roadblock. Suggest you read Biden’s very comprehensive immigration policy statement too if you are interested in his “political image” on this issue. Its on his website somewhere. His political image is strongly pro-immigrant.
 
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SusieQQQ said:
Well - those are different types of cases, if I’m thinking of the same ones - where the first leg airline agent didn’t check that people from Covid-banned countries had the required exemptions to enter, but where the problem was picked up at the transit airport. That’s a little different because whether or not you can enter is a case-by-case basis. As far as I understand all the September DV visas have the PP annotation printed on the visa.
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Hi, my DV does not have any annotations. Do you think the consulate just missed it.
 
Fijian said:
Hi, my DV does not have any annotations. Do you think the consulate just missed it.
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If it was issued after the ban (and therefore subject to its entry restrictions) I wouldn’t take any chances. You might find it’s included in your immigrant packet (which you can’t check).
 
SusieQQQ said:
The part I bolded above is absolutely incorrect. DV cases are usually 50k a year, the family visas affected are usually around 250-300k a year. And no, he doesn’t need any reason at all to reverse the order, certainly not one to justify the patently political reasoning used for anything outside the employment immigrant visa categories affected. (Which by the way are usually only around 15k a year). For example, how do the 60-100k parents of citizens a year, most of whom are retired, under the currently banned IR5 category pose a problem for jobs? Or minor children on F2A? It’s obviously a rubbish excuse. As for “natives”, it is precisely those voting citizens whose families are stuck unable to move forward on their visa applications, who are very disenchanted especially after many of them have already been waiting more than a decade and now have this extra roadblock. Suggest you read Biden’s very comprehensive immigration policy statement too if you are interested in his “political image” on this issue. Its on his website somewhere. His political image is strongly pro-immigrant.
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Thank you so much for the comprehensive explanation. We do keep hope Mr. Biden will revoke this proclamation 10014 before our visa will get expire on mid March 2021. Besides the Mr. Biden revoke, do you have any idea about the ongoing lawsuits regrading the existing visa holders who are affected by the this proclamation 10014. This information will help many participant in this forum. Thank you so much again.
 
nimalr said:
Any visa issued before the ban (April 23rd 2020) do not effect by this and can travel any time.
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any visa issued before the ban would have expired by now
a reissue of an expired visa issued before the ban afaik should not be subject to the ban, but not sure if the court case settled that

Re current lawsuits, britsimon’s website is probably your best bet.
 
To be clear on the current status for DV2020 people with visas (most likely due to expire in March).

Some people have travelled and entered since September. The airlines and even CBP were lax in understanding procedures. That seems to have changed where the pretravel system is telling airlines to not allow people to travel. CBP officers seem to be more clued up to stop cases slipping through. One case I know of was a person that entered the USA shortly after midnight (so early Jan 1), was processed through immigration and then called back to immigration whilst still at the airport. They were then sent back.

So - for now, the chances of entering the USA have pretty much gone, and I suggest that no one tries going through that hassle now. Of course that does NOT include people who had visas re-issued after their pre April 23 visas expired.

Biden will, I strongly believe, remove this extension very soon after inauguration. Why am I so sure? Well partly because he is pro immigration and a smart decent man. He knows unfairness when he sees it and has empathy, intelligence and good judgement. He also listens to advisers. That is all what we normally expect from a President that has been missing for 4 years. He also fundamentally knows that immigration is good to drive an economy. All the new arrivals will be looking for homes, cars, will need to get food, behave normally. They will search for jobs and take what they can get. All those things are good for an economy. He knows that - and will act accordingly.

However, you may not agree with some of my thoughts, so let me explain another way.

Biden has made public on numerous occasions that he plans to remove the Muslim ban on day 1. He is doing that for some of the reasons that I mention above, but mostly because it was an EO rooted in stupidity and bigotry. Biden will not let that be the way we handle the world.

Now if Biden removes the Muslim ban, but were to leave the new extension in place, then removing the Muslim ban would be pointless - right?

So - DV2020 cases with visas. WAIT. That's all. Just wait.
 
Hmm. Wondering if those who managed to enter during the ban will face any issues during naturalization. Hopefully the IOs won’t be looking back to see if the entry was valid under the PP but if they do it could conceivably be a problem.
 
Hello...
I have reissued visa DV 2020 & first one issued before 23th of april 2020. On the Second visa no any anotation. Can I travel with this extend? I have booked a tiket 14th of this month? Need your advise asap
 
SusieQQQ said:
Hmm. Wondering if those who managed to enter during the ban will face any issues during naturalization. Hopefully the IOs won’t be looking back to see if the entry was valid under the PP but if they do it could conceivably be a problem.
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Yes there is a tiny chance of that - but given that wiser heads will be in place by then, I don't believe that will be a problem for any of those that entered.
 
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