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DV 2013 Program-Online Registration October 4 - NOV 2ND, 2011.

Schoolboy whats your source of information I always wanted to ask you if it was true.



If you dont mind me asking.Why did you apply on the last day,if your info was legit ?l'd say that was not a smart thing you did.

@styles,first of all,am not going to talk about legit or inlegit okay.Now eDV started in DV2005?and not in DV2006 for your info?And that was when mailed application entries stopped or preferable that was when KCC stopped accepting mailed entries form.
Nigeria with 6,725
Bangladesh with 7,404
Poland with 6,211,
WHILE in DV2006,
Nigeria with 6,191
Bangladesh with 5,456
Poland with 3,416, and i think that was the very last time we saw poland having such a huge SELECTEES.
@styles,if you don't this,kindly ask, instead of you contradicting ones posts/comments.
As of me entering in the last day,i thought i would have had it done before the last day.But just felt to have it done on the last day.Lets just stop all this contradicting of a thing cos i don't have time for all this.
 
@styles,first of all,am not going to talk about legit or inlegit okay.Now eDV started in DV2005?and not in DV2006 for your info?And that was when mailed application entries stopped or preferable that was when KCC stopped accepting mailed entries form.
Nigeria with 6,725
Bangladesh with 7,404
Poland with 6,211,
WHILE in DV2006,
Nigeria with 6,191
Bangladesh with 5,456
Poland with 3,416, and i think that was the very last time we saw poland having such a huge SELECTEES.
@styles,if you don't this,kindly ask, instead of you contradicting ones posts/comments.
As of me entering in the last day,i thought i would have had it done before the last day.But just felt to have it done on the last day.Lets just stop all this contradicting of a thing cos i don't have time for all this.

Chill out man..l deleted the part of when online dv started.Relax it doesnt matter man..
 
I'm really surprised this year had that small amount of entries. I thought Poland was going to cover the gap left by Bangladesh but I was very wrong. I guess tthis will be good news for other countries in Asia where Bangladesh used to be because they may have more visa's available to them. Or maybe it won't make a big difference to them. I really don't know to be honest.

And with the $30 fees to be introduced next year will witness a further decline in entries from poorer countries.

In Nigeria, the 30USD is a no-no to those folks who only make up their minds @ the Internet Cafes. For a guy who wants to leave, he will pay (N5K) and this amount will increase chances because fewer folks will apply after all.

If KCC is still going to whittle down the 8Million (double and fraudulent entries) DV2013 could help fellers from my end oh. Many people applied twice unknowingly, didn't know how to call back when the site didn't show code.
 
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In Nigeria, the 30USD is a no-no to those folks who only make up their minds @ the Internet Cafes. For a guy who wants to leave, he will pay (N5K) and this amount will increase chances because fewer folks will apply after all.

If KCC is still going to whittle down the 8Million (double and fraudulent entries) DV2013 could help fellers from my end oh. Many people applied twice unknowingly, didn't know how to call back when the site didn't show code.

Indeed. It could stop speculative entries. The only people that would be interested in playing the DV-Lottery perhaps would be those that really are serious to go and follow through the whole application to the end, or for those that feel $30 is not much. It would also cut down on the multiple entries, for it would be;

a) Expensive to keep re-applying
b) Easier to detect due to the name on the Bank Card/Account used to pay.

It could however drive up external fraud. As the entering would no longer be free, it would incentivise criminal fraudsters to extort money from potential applicants that do not have accurate information on the DV-Lottery process.
Again, I think it should be pointed out this is (supposed to be) a Diversity Visa Lottery, not a $30 visa pool. Once money is introduced into the equation, it skews both the purpose and the meaning behind the DV-Lottery altogether. It may be expensive at the end of the day for a successful selectee, but aside from the cost of getting an electronic photograph, nothing much was really lost. This made the field equal. This is fair. You are entering on the basis of diversification, not your ability to pay $30. This proposed change will not affect Europe or Oceania. This will affect primarily Africa and Asia.

Introducing money is a scheme to push poorer, third world, countries out of the equation.
Let’s look at it from this perspective;

1. How exactly is a South Sudanese applicant in newly created South Sudan supposed to get hold of an electronic bank account capable of making payment to this new system without going through an agent which will likely extort? Unless this individual is resident in richer part of the world, it will be impossible.

2. How is an Iranian, in Iran, supposed to transfer money to the US when Iran is under US Sanctions? Again, unless he lives outside Iran, and has access to a foreign bank-account, it’s already tough enough that an Iranian in Iran has to travel to Turkey for the interview.

It also ignores the fact that in third world African and Asian countries there are often very strict capital controls. A lot of people do not have bank accounts due to the fact that corrupt politicians and central bankers steal from the citizenry’s accounts through a combination of fixed exchange rates, account freezes, and hyperinflationary economics, thus the prevalence for “informal economies” and savings kept as cash. Sometimes it is a crime to be in possession of money in anything other than the domestically traded legal tender.

The charge that it is no longer a real lottery based on diversity will threaten the existence even more, detractors would point out that it wasn’t really diversifying anything if the entry was unplayable by some, otherwise perfectly eligible applicants, and not others, on the basis of being able to pay $30 to enter, and so should be scrapped altogether, and I’m afraid to say, they’d have a point.

Personally I would continue playing if a $30 tax was levied as $30 isn’t much for me at all. The fair way, however would be to increase the fee for the visa by $30 to $849 from $819 and keep entry free.
 
When will DOS release the statics of those who entered the lottery including derivatives for DV2013??
 
The introduction of $30 4rm next yr DV2014,will still generate huge DV entrants/applicants/entries.
1.The USgovt does nt care much abt the so called 3rd world countries cos the world is a market place 4 business.
2.The so called 3rd world countries wt less under developements will still or afford the $30,you guys may look at it that some countries will av to decline 4rm the lotto yes offcourse,some countries wud nt being able to pay the $30,cos its might be a huge money by the time they convert it to their local currencies.Nw 4 instance a country like Nigeria,a dollar is #158 to #160,and you guys wud think that Nigeria wud nt being able to pay the $30?i belt you guys that abt 50% to 60% Nigerians wud pay.If Nigerians can be payin some tokin of canadian/US dollar 4 an assistance 4rm a canadian immigration assistance services 4 gettin a canadian visa,then why wont some Nigerians wont pay the $30,they wud pay which i guess.Although some Nigerians also re gettin discouragin abt DV programs,nt just bcos of the newly intro of $30 but 4 other personal reasons.
 
The intro of this $30 to DVlottery,wud make Diversity visa lottery to be a VISA POOL or perhaps to round it up,that it maybe that USgovt is tryin to use this $30 fee of a thin to decline or as a criterial to reduce some 3rd world countries in DV programs.I may nt be right abt this but just guess.
 
Great post slash-dot

Really thought provoking post slash-dot, you had hubby and I in quite the conversation about it this morning. Most poignant is your point that the playing field will indeed go from fair, - to fair for those who can pay. Thank you for spending time to put it together, I'm feeling exceptionally ignorant in my little part of the world today.

I understand the government need to cover their costs etc, so like you, I think add the $30 at the end. If I am successful at that point, I would gladly pay the extra $30.

Is it a 'done deal' this charge, or is it still speculative? Often much of what the government WANT to introduce never fully makes it.

We can only hope.


Warm wishes

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@ovicity,Mele,ferdiii,Ololo12,styles,n @obama,did you guys notice during DV2013 how more and more agents are going into this Diversity Visa lottery of a thin.Its sees that this DV programs is now becomin a hot cake buisness in Nigeria market,especially agents that owns a cyber cafe and photo studio shops also?
 
I think if you cannot afford the $30, then there is no way you can afford to move to the US.





- Religion sux.
 
$30 Fee!!!

I think if you cannot afford the $30, then there is no way you can afford to move to the US.





- Religion sux.

I don't think it has to do with affording the $30 fee per se. With African countries it will border on how the fee is to be collected. Obviously if its to be by debit or credit cards then most of Africa is out but as SCHOOLBOY said they could also accept money through agents such as Western Union etc.

But still the fact that there is now a fee to be paid will discourage many not only in poorer nations but even in first world countries such as yours Ireland, Australia, etc because people in your countries will also think paying $30 for something with very few odds of ever winning is putting money down the drain.

Most of the times people just entered for the sake of it even if they had never really given a second thought if they really wanted to go to the states. But now only serious people will enter. So the issue about the fee will not affect Africa and poorer nations only. I guess when they finally release the DV2014 statistics of how many entered region by region, we will get the full picture.
 
@irishguy,u maybe b right abt dat,but at d sametime u cannot also assess or judge applicants like dat?cos its suppose 2 b a free Diversity visa lottery n nt a VISA POOL.So payiin 4 $30 dat wud nt guarantee u an altomatic slot as a DV SELECTEES/WINNER.Payin d $30 4 a VISA POOL is like an online GAMBLE.So dnt judge applicants who wud nt av paid d $30 dat they cannot enter d US simply bcos of $30 VISA POOL which nobody wud u a slot as a SELECTEES/WINNER.It wud av still b fair if still bn as a Diversity visa lottery n nt VISA POOL.In all of dis,d intro of d $30 wud generate much critics n comments dat d DOS wud nw b usin DV as nw a VISA POOL or money makin POOL n WUD REDUCE SOM 3RD WORLD COUNTRIES 4RM PARTICIPATIN IN DV PROGRAMS.
 
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@irishguy,u maybe b right abt dat,but at d sametime u cannot also assess or judge applicants like dat?cos its suppose 2 b a free Diversity visa lottery n nt a VISA POOL.So payiin 4 $30 dat wud nt guarantee u an altomatic slot as a DV SELECTEES/WINNER.Payin d $30 4 a VISA POOL is like an online GAMBLE.So dnt judge applicants who wud nt av paid d $30 dat they cannot enter d US simply bcos of $30 VISA POOL which nobody wud u a slot as a SELECTEES/WINNER.It wud av still b fair if still bn as a Diversity visa lottery n nt VISA POOL.In all of dis,d intro of d $30 wud generate much critics n comments dat d DOS wud nw b usin DV as nw a VISA POOL or money makin POOL n WUD REDUCE SOM 3RD WORLD COUNTRIES 4RM PARTICIPATIN IN DV PROGRAMS.

It's their country and game.No other obligation.u like it and play, u hate and play or u move away.
 
@ferdiii,yes u re right,its there own country n game, n can run it d way or watever ways they like.But right nw its still a Diversity visa lottery,QED.
 
I think if you cannot afford the $30, then there is no way you can afford to move to the US.

I agree, but with all due respect, nobody mentioned the inability to pay $30 on the basis of solvency. That much is so obvious it is scarcely worth mentioning. As presumably your chargeability and residence is Ire, this issue is nominal and superficial. As I mentioned before, this change will not affect those of us in Europe or Oceania to nearly the same extent.

With respect to that, this matter is more multifaceted than simply the gross amount of $30.

The first area we have to cover is the economic reasoning:

The official stated purpose is to “cover the costs” of running the program. According to the spokesman of the Senator concerned;

“...the fee would help offset the cost of the program and avoid adding to the U.S. budget deficit. The Congressional Budget Office had estimated it would cost about $36 million to provide a one-year extension to the program for refugees.”

If each applicant had to pay $30 for this year’s DV-2013 (that’s everyone here), and a similar number entered, the DoS would be looking at an immediate income of;

[($)30 x (applicants) 8,000,000 = ($)240,000,000].

Even if we half the number of people entering the lottery to four million applicants on the relatively extreme basis that one out of every two applicants no longer decide to enter due to the fee, that’s still a total income of US$120m.

Now do you understand how ridiculous the assertion is? Does anyone honestly think or believe it costs the DoS anywhere near either those amounts to run this program? (Or for that matter the Refugee Program that the DV-Lottery is now going to subsidise?) I personally have heard a lot of complaints and criticism about the Diversity Lottery Program from reports in the past, but never that it’s a loss maker, or that it costs the DoS more to run than it brings in.

Remember, this figure does not include the US$819.00 fee paid by each applicant successfully assigned an interview within the visa bulletin priority cut-off date (provided they turn up as scheduled.) Getting an interview does not necessarily equal getting a visa, but nonetheless still requires a non-refundable US$819.00 for adjudication of the case, which is fair enough.

Thus, if the issue really was capital financing, the proposed $30 can additionally be added by Sen. Charles Schumer (D., N.Y.) to the total price of the interview & visa costs as a surcharge. I hope that explains my point on the economic side.

Currently: [($)819.00 x (maximum applicants) 55,000 = ($)45,045,000]

$30 surcharge: [($)849.00 x (maximum applicants) 55,000 = ($)46,695,000]


A further $1,650,000 is automatically raised.

The second area we have to cover is capability and practicality:

Again I shall reiterate. I never once stated that the issue is the inability of those in the “third world” to pay USD$30. My concern is the practicality. Let’s look at the shift in entry method as a good comparison.

The shift, as we all appreciate, to using electronic means of entry has a distinct number of advantages in terms of efficiency over the old paper entries.

In spite of the lack of proliferation of internet access, computers and even electricity in many eligible nations around the world, the DoS decided that it nonetheless should shift the sole means of entry into a streamlined central electronic method. This could be justified in a number of ways.

Firstly, applicants would have a period of roughly one month to acquire the resources and means in order to position themselves to make an internet based entry. As the lottery is not a “first come first served” system, this would not deny their chance if their entry is early or later on during the entry period, as long as it was complete and on time.

Secondly, it would shift reliance away from often unreliable, sketchy and temperamental domestic postal services that may or may not deliver the paper methods and/or not deliver (or steal) the Notification Letters. In a way, the internet equalised this area for the good of the DV-Lottery, and for the benefit of the applicants, whether first world, or third.

Thirdly, why when the DV-Lottery launched, was it free? Not even a nominal fee of US$1.00 was mandated. Surely everyone can afford a dollar, right? The very reason that the Lottery survived so long, and has been free to enter is not inconsequential as it seems. The sole adjudicating factor since the origin of this Lottery before any other is the applicants’ place of birth. For practical reasons literacy has to be proven, and the best way to do that is a High School Diploma, or employment in a job that requires at least two years work experience to adequately perform. We all agree, quite a low bar, but fair. This will now change to whether or not the applicant can pay $30.

A Lottery that has its first criteria as to whether or not an applicant is capable to pay $30 in time before the deadline or not is not a Diversity Visa Lottery, it’s just a Visa Lottery. Do you understand now how dangerous this is to the whole existence of the program? The Program has credibility because of its ethos of diversification, not to take entry fees of $30 or $1.00 or whatever.

A month is long enough to gather yourself and submit on time, it’s not long enough if debit/credit bank account transfers have to be made, or deposits into an agent’s account to clear before entry is submitted, especially when there are so few honest agents around and millions of hopeful applicants wanting to share in the American Dream, that’s the reasoning for the DVL’s open entry policy, the applicant pays at the end, and may do so in cash at the Embassy on the basis they're selected on their diversity fairly

The $30 entry fee fulfils none of the rationales of a Diversity Visa. It does not streamline the process, it does not add to the purpose, it does not help applicants or further the goal of diversification, in fact in some cases it does exactly opposite of these things. It leaves the poorest, who are the majority of the victims of advanced fee fraud at the mercy of unscrupulous agents. We all read the Official instruction Booklet PDF warnings that entry is free, that nobody has to pay anyone to make our entry for us, and that the DoS recommends that individuals make their own entry.

How is this to work now? If I personally know that the reality on the ground is that many people use agents and have little choice about it, then the DoS must know, and if the DoS knows, then they will be guilty of perpetuating a policy that will greatly disadvantage those in the poorest regions knowingly while chasing their American Dream.

This, I’m afraid inevitably will sooner or later come back to bite the foundation of the Lottery. The Diversity Visa is not popular in the US. This Diversity Visa also happens to be the only way many people will ever get the opportunity to immigrate to the United States.

And if this $30 fee is introduced, it will not be a Diversity Lottery Visa, it will merely become a visa raffle, and will have no reason to exist because it serves no fair decent purpose.

Is it a 'done deal' this charge, or is it still speculative? Often much of what the government WANT to introduce never fully makes it.

We can only hope.

Hi Qewty,

What you say is true, the lottery has survived many attempts on it's life in the past, both to kill it, and to alter it significantly. The Gregg Amendment would have given 2/3 of the all the Visas to those with Ph.D/Mscs in mechanics, science, technology and mathematics had it passed.

This looks to be rather more serious, and as the WSJ stated, is expected to pass.

Only time will tell.
 
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@ovicity,Mele,ferdiii,Ololo12,styles,n @obama,did you guys notice during DV2013 how more and more agents are going into this Diversity Visa lottery of a thin.Its sees that this DV programs is now becomin a hot cake buisness in Nigeria market,especially agents that owns a cyber cafe and photo studio shops also?

@Schoolboy, yes bro, i very much agree with u. U should know by now that news goes out very fast and this socalled Agents tends to promise people of a one chance winning. Everybody wants to live 9ja due to the way things are going and of course, US VISA LOTTERY is an opportunity to live. U can now see advert placed everwhere by Agents promising greater chances of winning with just a token of 1000 Naira for single and 2000 Naira for family entries. So what do u expect. Dont blame them bro, blame ur LEADERS.
 
@Schoolboy, yes bro, i very much agree with u. U should know by now that news goes out very fast and this socalled Agents tends to promise people of a one chance winning. Everybody wants to live 9ja due to the way things are going and of course, US VISA LOTTERY is an opportunity to live. U can now see advert placed everwhere by Agents promising greater chances of winning with just a token of 1000 Naira for single and 2000 Naira for family entries. So what do u expect. Dont blame them bro, blame ur LEADERS.

@ovicity,u re right abt dat,cos even som parents dis days dat owns foto studios nw b usin also it as a visa lottery shops n nt only in cyber cafes?So hw r u spendin ur vacation man?i suppose u re on it by nw?but it wud av bn nice avin it by December period?Well its still all gd?
 
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