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DV 2013 Program-Online Registration October 4 - NOV 2ND, 2011.

Styles said:
This year less people applied for DV ,last year a record 18 million applied but this year 8 million applied.Mele may be this is the good news youve been talking about...haha;):D;):D:cool:
Next year you will most likely pay a fee of $30
to apply fo Dv.
This year countries with the highest number of applicants were:
1)Nigeria 1.36 million
2)Ghana 909,000
3)Ukraine 853,000

Source
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I read this article earlier today. I hope the $30 is not added, as it would jeopardize a significant proportion of entries, and disproportionately deter the poorest from entering, not to mention create an unequal playing field. On the positive side, it would cut down the number of fraudulent entries, which in turn may make the Lottery an actual money spinner for the US Government (which would keep the incentive to keep it running.) However, I think that in this current climate, this is the first mark of continued decline for the lottery. I fear this is merely the first step to repeal the whole DV-Lottery system.
 
8 Million? Wow

I'm really surprised this year had that small amount of entries. I thought Poland was going to cover the gap left by Bangladesh but I was very wrong. I guess tthis will be good news for other countries in Asia where Bangladesh used to be because they may have more visa's available to them. Or maybe it won't make a big difference to them. I really don't know to be honest.

And with the $30 fees to be introduced next year will witness a further decline in entries from poorer countries.
 
Styles said:
This year less people applied for DV ,last year a record 18 million applied but this year 8 million applied.Mele may be this is the good news youve been talking about...haha;):D;):D:cool:
Next year you will most likely pay a fee of $30
to apply fo Dv.
This year countries with the highest number of applicants were:
1)Nigeria 1.36 million
2)Ghana 909,000
3)Ukraine 853,000

Source http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204358004577030370327874672.html
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Good source! I guessed 13.5 million (with derivatives).

I wonder if this 8 million are with derivatives. If yes, the number of 'primary' applicants have significantly decreased in comparison to DV-2012. Can't wait to see the statistical breakdown from Department of State. In addition, Mr. Donahue said that the winning chances for all countries will increase because Bangladesh was eliminated.

As for the $30 fee, I think this is not necessary because winners have to pay $819 ($819 x 50k=$40,950,000) at the Consular. However, a lot of people will be discouraged by this and will not apply.
 
Styles said:
You own a condo in FL,it must be cheap for you,,lol
It will discourage a number of people that lm sure of
especially in 3rd world countries.Some people do a funds drive for the interview fees and the air ticket fare.
For others $30 is quite a large portion of someones monthly pay.Like last years winners most of them felt bad after losing around $80 for DHL postage fees.In some countries you can get a nice phone,ipod or a DVD machine for $80....lol..
It also depends if the $30 will be charged per application to cover the whole family or it will be per family member like the visa fees paid at the embassy.
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Wow i didn't look at it like that it would suck for people in third countries already trying to save for the visa.
 
verdite said:
I'm really surprised this year had that small amount of entries. I thought Poland was going to cover the gap left by Bangladesh but I was very wrong. I guess tthis will be good news for other countries in Asia where Bangladesh used to be because they may have more visa's available to them. Or maybe it won't make a big difference to them. I really don't know to be honest.

And with the $30 fees to be introduced next year will witness a further decline in entries from poorer countries.
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Yup, I truly believe that Poland and South Sudan were not advised about their eligibility quick enough to apply for DV-2013. However, we may see large numbers from them next fiscal year (DV-2014).
 
win dv said:
Good source! I guessed 13.5 million (with derivatives).

I wonder if this 8 million are with derivatives. If yes, the number of 'primary' applicants have significantly decreased in comparison to DV-2012. Can't wait to see the statistical breakdown from Department of State. In addition, Mr. Donahue said that the winning chances for all countries will increase because Bangladesh was eliminated.

As for the $30 fee, I think this is not necessary because winners have to pay $819 ($819 x 50k=$40,950,000) at the Consular. However, a lot of people will be discouraged by this and will not apply.
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Your guess was very close win dv, mine was very off, I said something like 20m at the lower end with derivatives. I think Poland did not have nearly as many applicants this time round as they did five years ago. This is somewhat strange considering Poland used to have a very large amount of applicants. Perhaps it was not well advertised this year?

South Sudan in my opinion is too poor to enter. I would be surprised if more than a handful of people born in S. Sudan even have a birth certificate from there considering it was not a country until 9th July 2011, and even if they could prove they were born in S. Sudan, they would need to prove at least a High-school education, which if they were educated in the North, would now mean crossing an international border, (ignoring the decades old civil war and continued fighting). On top of that is somehow providing a clean police certificate and a S. Sudanese passport which I don’t think even exists yet. (I read the passports for South Sudan may be completed by November).

At the very most 55,000 visas are issued by the DoS. (5,000 go automatically to Nicaragua since 1997) This means a maximum of: [$819 x 55,000 = $45,045,000]. If the US DoS was slightly more efficient in the number of visas it actually gets to the interview stage, it could see that sum, or very close.

I think the DV-Lottery does pay for itself when one includes the $819 sum paid at the embassy, but at this point in time, the US is trying to squeeze every cent out of people, it will happily level a $30 charge against people’s hopes that have very little in the way of a voice.

I think it is more reasonable to increase the actual fee for winners, instead of introducing a $30 fee for entering.
 
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Thanks for this update....i actually want to know the difference amongst this 3 countries compared to DV2012

2012 Green Card Lottery (DV-2012) Results and Statistics
Nigeria Entrants= 1,470,155 Derivatives= 535,721 Total=2,005,876 Winners = 6,024 Winning Percentage per country= 0.30%

Ghana Entrants= 641,777 Derivatives= 132,780 Total=774,557 Winners= 5,832 Winning Percentage per country= 0.75%

Ukraine Entrants= 761,653 Derivatives= 360,433 Total= 1,122,086 Winners= 5,799 Winning Percentage per country= 0.52%

http://immigrationroad.com/green-card/green-card-lottery-dv-2012-results-and-data.php

2013 Green Card Lottery (DV-2013) entrants
Nigeria Entrants= 1,360,000

Ghana Entrants= 909,000

Ukraine Entrants= 863,000


That’s a heavy reduction in the number of entrants in Nigeria (if that DV2013 figure is with derivatives) while Ukraine & Ghana entries went a little bit up.... Bangladesh actually made DV2013 slash down to 8m...It cud av been 16m if dey r eligible. But that has little or no effect on success rate of Africa Region becos Bangladesh disqualification favour other countries in Asia Region quota which will share their slot.

Also, we dont know wether illegal/double entries has been disqualified outrightly b4 d announcement of this figure........ Could we now say the DV2012 saga pissed entrants off against DV2013 which now led to this low registration!!!
 
Ur thought is right Slash_Dot!!! Paying $30 b4 registration will also enhance online fraud…..are we to wire transfer the $, pay via credit card, bank check, bill pay, paypal or what ever!!!!!!

This will actually create more controversies because dv lottery agents can even defraud applicants of the $30…hence,a public outcry…….As u right said, increasing actual fee for winner is still much more rational......
 
House,i am nt supprise abt d 8 million applicants in dis yr DV2013.I think its includes both derivatives n d remover of multiples/fraudulents entries received.I always thought dat poland wud cover Bangladesh space,4 d people of Asian,even if poland is nt an Asian country.Well d people of Asian still av a high slide chances.In DV2005 or DV2006 poland had a huge numbers of applicants dat applied but i cant figure out d numbers of applicants 4 dat yr.But it seems to me dat south sudan are nt dat enlighten more abt DV programs cos i thought dat they too cud have more applicants.Well since south sudan just came up July,i guess in DV2014,south sudan n poland wud produce more applicants than d numbers we av nw.As of Nigeria applicants,i think d numbers wud b gettin decline more yrs 2 com especially based on d recession/economic crices America is goin thru right nw cos so many people are gettin discourage 4rm goin 2 another mans country based on means/alternative of livin discouragin people day by day,especially on d issues of global/economic meltdown.So in d reall scence of dis,if care is nt takin or drastic measurement are nt put in place,well am afraid more n more people wud keep losin their fate in d yrs 2 com lottery.As of d $30 issue,i personally dnt knw wat 2 say abt dat,but mean while dnt joke wt happiness/Joy if won ,cos one can do anythn just 2 get d $30.
 
@Mele,dnt think dat there will b an online fraud or some agents defraudin their or applicants cos DOS knws dis quite well abt d rapid fraud goin online everyday.I knw these so called scammers agents wud wnt 2 try 2 see if they use dis as an opprtunity 4 them 2 defraud some or their applicants.Well u nd 2 knw dat DOS are nt naive abt dis?it maybe dat DOS wud use either any of these method 4 d payments.
1.PAYPAL:Applicant wud av 2 tender/submit d, unique transaction id number by fillin a form online.
2.BANK 2 BANK:Applicant 2 tender/submit, wire transfer transaction number online by fillin a form
3.CERTIFIED CHECKS:
4.MONEY ORDER
5.BANK DRAFT
6.PLIMUS,dis is 4 a rich nation transaction n nt 4 a 3rd world country.
GRAPH CARD.u tender ur transfer id number online
7.GOOGLE CHECKOUT.
8MONEY GRAM.U tender ur referrence number
9W.U.M.T.U tender ur MTCN online.
All these mentions are general/acceptable ways of doin transaction online.
I strongly blieve its either any of these dat DOS will use 4 all payments/transactions cos it wats they use in canadian immigration 2 every part of d world.An online will b there 4 u 2 include every payment being dn n fill in d required transaction or refference number.Some specific banks in all Eligible countries wud b on dis transaction to d USgovt bank.A link wud b there 2 follow.
 
My Aunt did dis type of transaction b4,thru C.I.A.S.Yr 1997.I still remember all d processin.Wen she was tryin 2 get a visa to canada.Its thru CANADIAN IMMIGRATION ASSISTANCE SERVICES,in QUEBEC province.
 
Styles said:
Times have changed ,and with the economic crisis in the U.S it is not known if DOS will adhere to the notification of 100,000 winners with Case numbers and the issuance of 55,000 winners with visas.Im saying this because of what l've been seeing in international media ;the occupy wallstreet protests because of the U.S economy which spread to most of the major cities in the U.S and the trillion dollars U.S debt.The unemployment rate in the U.S is about 8-10% and so l doubt they would want to add more people to compete with their citizens.
Another reason being that last year we saw very few people winning the lottery .Just look at the winners in these forums they are few while they are supposed to be many because everthing is online: entrant status check and the 2nd NL so we should have many winners because of use of the internet in the Dv process , and we also witnessed the U.S residents taking most of the chances so these are the guys who seem to have the highest possibility of winning..
Ive watched some stand up commedians from the U.S joking about how bad the U.S economy is...One guy was saying that the U.S economy is so bad that Americans have started to con Nigerians,,,Another guy was saying that mexicans have started swimming back to Mexico preffering to go back to Mexico.Screaming how bad it is in the U.S.This shows how things have gotten ugly.
Not forgetting the glitches,even if you win never make any major decisions until you have the visa in your hand.
The main message here is that you should never be very excited about the dv lottery.
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I told you guys even mexicans dont want to go to the U.S anymore.It is said that more than 500,000 illegals entered the from mexico between 2000 and 2004 but the number has plunged to 100,000 by 2010.l know people who are not enthusiastic to go to the U.S cause of last years glitch and the economic crisis.
Source read this
http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/american-green-card-no-thanks-191345300.html
As l had also said before the number of winners have dropped and we learnt that over the years not all 55k visas were issued.Im sorry to tell you that the numbers may keep on dropping and you guys will keep on paying $30 for nothing.Now you will be officially scammed my friends.As years pass by the numbers of applicants will keep on dropping after realising the odds of winning are very low.
Please do the math if this year applicants had to pay
8,000,000 x$30=$240,000,000
This is the only reason why DV wasnt scrapped out,they saw the big picture.......$$$$
Thats easy money especially when you are broke my friends ...
 
Bahamaschick said:
you think the $30 fee will stop a lot of people from playing the lottery because to me $30 is really cheap.
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I was thinking the same thing Bahamas, considering what the return could be if you get selected. At the end of the day, the whole process will cost a LOT of money, and with what has to be saved and paid for with medicals and certificates and ultimately airfares and proof of money that you have, if $30 is a concern for someone to enter, then how hard will it be to continue on the path for them in the long run?

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I personally think if they introduce the $30 fee there would be a big reduction in the number of applications especially from third world countries. And even if one were to enter next DV2014 and pay $30 but if they don't win the chances of them trying again in DV2015 will be reduced. They will just give up on the program.

The Americans are quiete clever, they figured if they introduced this fee then the people will lose interest in the program and if that does not happen trust me they will also raise the fees significantly for the winners as well and that will discourage even more people to enter in the first place. After all that they may then shut the program giving a reason that the numbers of entries have decreased significantly to not warrant a continuation of the program.
 
verdite said:
I personally think if they introduce the $30 fee there would be a big reduction in the number of applications especially from third world countries. And even if one were to enter next DV2014 and pay $30 but if they don't win the chances of them trying again in DV2015 will be reduced. They will just give up on the program.

The Americans are quiete clever, they figured if they introduced this fee then the people will lose interest in the program and if that does not happen trust me they will also raise the fees significantly for the winners as well and that will discourage even more people to enter in the first place. After all that they may then shut the program giving a reason that the numbers of entries have decreased significantly to not warrant a continuation of the program.
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Well said.....
Bahamas and Qewty.l will try to explain to you how it all happens.
In 3rd world countries a guy enters a cyber cafe/cyber kiosk sees a poster that greencard lottery is on and free.He/she enquires from the attendant ,the attendant tells him its free but theres a small charge he has to pay the attendant.He pays the attendant then applies for him.If there could have been a charge lm sure he wont apply because he doesnt have the money.(may be hes just cleared school or has some other responsibilities at home which are much pressing)
In Bangladesh we read in articles that it created a buzz in such a way that the kiosks would be thronged with people like a train station,with long queues.
Once anyone here wins and has the winning letter in his hands, you will be shocked by the sheer determination that a human being can posses.He will contact relatives at home and abroad, villagers in the rural home will add some money thats how some people in the 3rd world afford to pay for the medicals,visa fees and air fare.(dont get me wrong not all of them,some are stinking rich)
Some communities in 3rd world countries help each other a lot infact some people go through school in the same manner, but l know in the 1st world everyone is on his own you cant even borrow some salt from your neighbour or a matchstick.
I hope now you get it.
 
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Styles

Thank you for enlightening me on how it is for some others in different circumstances, I have certainly had my eyes opened.

:)
 
Arekee said:
Last yr in d last 3 to 2 days,abt 65,000 entries were received per hour,which DOS says abt 1.5million entries received in d last 3 to 2 days.Anythn cud still happen dis yr.In DV2006 all d last 1wk of entries were all cancelled due 2 sum heavy submissions of entries.Guy dnt wait dat long?
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Schoolboy whats your source of information I always wanted to ask you if it was true.

Schoolboy said:
Entered DV2013:Nov 5 2011
CN:201332138FROXXXX
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If you dont mind me asking.Why did you apply on the last day,if your info was legit ?l'd say that was not a smart thing you did.
 
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