Confused about Physical Presence requirements

Let's identify some sample cases where the person had exactly 2 trips and then look at the other aspects of that case. If you can find some samples from this forum, or from outside, please list them here, and let's go from there.

I posed a question of law and a search of this forum might not yield any hits and not sure it would be helpful in this discussion. I think RealCanadian offered the most responsive answer when he/she touched on the subject of intent, although I differ in his opinion and think that imposing an unwritten rule amounts to illegal rulemaking, unless an exception can be pointed out to me. As I pointed out earlier, it would be ideal if USCIS published regulations emphasizing that the 6 month-1 year, and over 1 year periods are not the end all to the determination of continuous residence and perhaps incorporate existing case law on the subject of intent. Something like, "USCIS may determine an applicant's intent to relinquish continuous residence based upon absences from the United States regardless of length." OK, not so eloquently stated, but you get the idea.

To reiterate, it seems that too many people get the idea that multiple trips under six months would keep them under the radar so to speak. Although I myself am not affected, it would be simply proper for the USCIS to give clear guidance on the subject. An unwritten law just doesn't do that.

All of these of course is my opinion. I hope I'm only imagining a certain hostility towards differing points of view on this matter. All for a healthy discussion.
 
All of these of course is my opinion. I hope I'm only imagining a certain hostility towards differing points of view on this matter. All for a healthy discussion.

I am sorry if my POV seemed to indicate hostility about other POVs. That is not the intent. However, it is hard for me to change my POV unless I see evidence to the contrary. And in general if you review my past posts, I have been more sympathetic to IOs than the posters ... whether I am right or not, I think I have been consistent. Anyway, I am out of this until I see some other data point...
 
It's all cool. I wouldn't be against such a rule. It's only fair to the majority who have complied and know that they truly want to live in the U.S. I just wish that before the $675 goes to the USCIS coiffer, applicants especially self-filers would be well advised of the consequences of their lengthy trips, unless of course they could document that they want still want to regard the US as their primary residence and domicile.
 
With regards to continuous residency, the law states only 2 clauses which automatically render the condition broken,

"8 C.F.R. PART 316—GENERAL REQUIREMENTS FOR NATURALIZATION

316.5...
(c) Disruption of continuity of residence—(1) Absence from the United States—
(i) For continuous periods of between six (6) months and one (1) year. Absences from the United States for continuous periods of between six (6) months and one (1) year during the periods for which continuous residence is required under §316.2 (a)(3) and (a)(6) shall disrupt the continuity of such residence for purposes of this part unless the applicant can establish otherwise to the satisfaction of the Service.

(ii) For period in excess of one (1) year. Unless an applicant applies for benefits in accordance with §316.5(d), absences from the United States for a continuous period of one (1) year or more during the period for which continuous residence is required under §316.2 (a)(3) and (a)(5) shall disrupt the continuity of the applicant's residence. "
They stated 2 scenarios that "shall disrupt" continuous residence, but they never said those are the only possible ways on earth to break continuous residence. It is a common misconception to think that continuous residence is automatically satisfied if your situation doesn't match either of those 2 scenarios.
 
I differ in his opinion and think that imposing an unwritten rule amounts to illegal rulemaking, unless an exception can be pointed out to me. As I pointed out earlier, it would be ideal if USCIS published regulations emphasizing that the 6 month-1 year, and over 1 year periods are not the end all to the determination of continuous residence and perhaps incorporate existing case law on the subject of intent. Something like, "USCIS may determine an applicant's intent to relinquish continuous residence based upon absences from the United States regardless of length." OK, not so eloquently stated, but you get the idea.

USCIS is not making a rule - they're just making a question of fact that says that continuous residence has been broken, and the applicant can counter it with evidence. A rule would require USCIS to always raise the question, or the applicant to be unable to respond. They're not doing so.

It's worth noting that there are plenty of unwritten rules based on precedent all over the place. Many immigrants seem to want "black-letter" law to clearly state what one shall and shall not do, so that every situation is covered. While this may seem comforting, in my experience a regulatory situation like this tends to be written for the worst cases and to favor the government the most. Ambiguity can be of benefit to both the state and the person, given the former the ability to deal with egregious cases and the latter the ability for flexibility.
 
USCIS is not making a rule - they're just making a question of fact that says that continuous residence has been broken, and the applicant can counter it with evidence. A rule would require USCIS to always raise the question, or the applicant to be unable to respond. They're not doing so.

It's worth noting that there are plenty of unwritten rules based on precedent all over the place. Many immigrants seem to want "black-letter" law to clearly state what one shall and shall not do, so that every situation is covered. While this may seem comforting, in my experience a regulatory situation like this tends to be written for the worst cases and to favor the government the most. Ambiguity can be of benefit to both the state and the person, given the former the ability to deal with egregious cases and the latter the ability for flexibility.

Perhaps I should have been more precise in my use of certain terms in my earlier posts. I use the terms "rule", "rulemaking", and "notice and comment" as defined by the Administrative Procedures Act or APA which governs most of the rulemaking procedures by federal administrative agencies including the USCIS. A "rule" is defined by the APA 551 as "the whole or part of an agency statement of general or particular applicability and future effect designed to implement, interpret, or prescribe law or policy or describing the organization, procedure or practice requirements of an agency." "Rulemaking" is the "agency process for formulating, amending, or repealing a rule." Rules and regulations are synonymous, thus material found in the CFR are rules according to the GPO. [http://www.gpoaccess.gov/CFR]

By law, before rules are promulgated, enacted or revised, it has to go through a notice and comment procedure unless it falls under certain exceptions which are not applicable to the issue beforehand. Notice being publication in the Federal Register with opportunity for the public to comment, usually for a period of 30 days. The concept of notice and comment pretty much adopts the concept of due process with respect to rulemaking, with the added purpose of accepting public input, whether for or against and for agency education. Otherwise, any attempt to short-circuit this process amounts to illegal rulemaking, hence my opinion.

The 6 months to 1 year provision in the CFR is one such rule (and "makes a question of fact that continuous presence has been broken", etc. as you put it), and the application of the basic concept of disruption of continuous residence from that rule to back-to-back absences of less than 6 months (which we are now discussing) is also a rule within the meaning of the APA. Inclusion in the Field Adjudicator's Manual by way of example or otherwise (thanks BobSmyth for the link) without notice and comment amounts to illegal rulemaking IMHO. The FAM is binding on adjudicators after all. Incidentally, a recent controversy regarding the limitation of H1-B visas to owner-employees as published through a USCIS memorandum, and inclusion in the FAM is in the process of being challenged for failure to comply with the notice and comment requirements. Although based on a different set of rules as what we are discussing now, the basic legal precepts are applicable. I don't want to bore you with the details but if you are interested you can view AILA's letter to USCIS at http://bit.ly/9DsQiC.

I hope I caused no confusion in my bringing up the subject and I highly appreciate your comments, irrespective of whether I agree with it or not. That said, I feel that I am close to thread-jacking OP's original concern which I have no intention of doing, and I also have no intention of prolonging this thread since the OP's questions have already been answered, so I will leave it at that.

Thanks!
 
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The 6 months to 1 year provision in the CFR is one such rule (and "makes a question of fact that continuous presence has been broken", etc. as you put it), and the application of the basic concept of disruption of continuous residence from that rule to back-to-back absences of less than 6 months (which we are now discussing) is also a rule within the meaning of the APA. Inclusion in the Field Adjudicator's Manual by way of example or otherwise (thanks BobSmyth for the link) without notice and comment amounts to illegal rulemaking IMHO.

Rulemaking - illegal or otherwise - this is how it happens. Don't you remember the times when Mr W used to sign a new legislation with signing statements ... yes congress passed the law - and this is how I read it. How was that different? And I think this goes all the way from the top to the bottom (bad IOs making their biased judgement for example).

On the subject of rules and manuals, I do not know how government works, but I see rules being high level guidelines which are notified and discussed. However, they are high level and in some cases ambiguous so the departments need to break them down into field manuals for individuals to act on. I would not take offense on someone changing the manual unless there was clearly some intent to circumvent agreed rules, such as "waterboarding as defined now is not torture, (as if 82 seconds breaks continuous residence, but 81 second does not)". Note that in that case, the rule that "America does not torture" still did not change. But that's not always the intent behind modifying a manual - as you are implying.

Alright, enough politics for the day. Also, I think this thread can continue if there are more data points, or related observations.
 
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