Can you provide a link?
De-facto it is being used as a national ID card, and not just by government - by various private enterprises. The ultimate evil is EXPERIAN that collects all personal data about every person. Guess what they use for their database indexing? SSN.
Call it whatever you want. It is a federally-issued card that proves one's citizenship and identity. It seems that you assume all national ID cards can only be mandatory, but it's not the case. They don't even have to be called National ID cards - if you remove from the passport card annotation "valid only for land and sea travel ..." and include a holder's signature, there will be no difference between, say, German personalausweis and the US passport card (except for being optional). If some people think that national ID card can be more convenient than state-issued ID/DL card, why not let them have it? It's not like you are forcing it on the rest of population.
My humble opinion:
N600 are not needed. (waist of $)
US Passport will always suffice. (no one can contest your USC status, not even the formerly respected, Donald Trump)
After reading all threads, the only relevant one is the post regarding a lost/stolen passport. But, what the poster forgot to mention is that for an extra $60, the gov can actually perform a "records request search" (based on prior applications on record), and ultimately utilize those results as documentation for the replacement of your passport (form ds11). This is, of course, worst case scenario.
Having said that, the Immigration Service should be avoided at all cost.
-natppt
Fairly recently the Texas DPS implemented a rule under which they accepted a valid U.S. passport as proof of U.S. citizenship only if it showed the place of birth in the U.S. They had to back off after a lawsuit but the case is symptomatic of things to come.
The guy was updating his citizenship status on his Georgia Driver's license from that of an LPR to that of a U.S. citizen and was told by the clerk that a U.S. passport was not sufficient and that a certificate of naturalization or citizenship was required. It is quite likely that the clerk was either incompetent or that whatever Georgia rule/law he was following is actually invalid in view of the superseding federal laws, but, again, as a practical matter the U.S. passport was insufficient.
"That is an overly optimistic view"
Overly...not really, I have first hand knowledge of this particular subject matter and can certainly attest to the fact a US Passport is adequately and legally binding on any type of issue that may arise. Yes, there are those who will throw red flags to ones status (i.e. birther movement, etc), but, ultimately the truth and policy as written, does prevail.
In the cases you cited, both of them seem to be cases of incompetent state workers who lack training. Lack of training and communication is the fundamental reason cases like these are even on the news. Once legal teams on both sides get involved, the law is implemented accordingly, and the ultimate outcome supports Department of States principles and policy.
As far as the future political climate goes, no politician can undermine the law of the land, not even Palin.
-NATPPT
Georgia DMV clerks are incompetent drooling morons, suitable only for medical research and biofuel. While I too was told that I needed a natz certificate, they accepted a passport without issue.
With all due respect, you seem to underestimate how much inconvenience a state statute can cause you. In the short run, it does not matter whether this particular statute contradicts the federal laws or if it can withstand a lawsuit because in most cases you simply cannot afford to file a lawsuit yourself or wait until someone else does it and wins. You need a driving licence or voter registration card now, not in a year or two. Let's face it - Republicans do not like immigrants (legal or illegal) and they do not like federal government that may be the only government entity to protect immigrants' rights with respect to INA. When Republicans run the state governments, they will try and use every possible opportunity to diminish the importance of federally-issued documents because the "true" Americans who are born in the USA do not even need any federally-issued documents proving their status. They can have all the services they need with only a state-issued birth certificate and a state-issued driving licence/id card.Regardless which states adopted certain guideline or not.....Federal laws is top dog. (US State Dept issued Passport is in effect, top dog in as far as a document proving who you are as an individual/citizen).
Oh, those who violate federal laws and statutes never fail to mention their respect and devotion to the constitution. At the same time, I really do not see how founding fathers are related to the current immigration laws (INA and 14th Amendment). The definition of natural born citizen may change over time, and it has never stayed the same since founding fathers.Regarding politicians, not so sure anyone is willing to stand up to our constitution. Our founding fathers wrote about a natural born citizen as it related to this subject. Those natural born citizens can merely ask the passport agency for a passport and that is it.
Again, we are not even discussing natural born Americans here. The original topic was about immigrant kids who derived their citizenship through their parents. In their case, the USCIS was involved while they were non-citizens, and it would be safer if the USCIS acknowledged their change of status as well.No reason whatsoever in obtaining a citizenship certificate from the service. Immigration (USCIS) need not apply when it comes to beneficiaries of this particular law.
That's if it's unexpired. If it's expired it's not considered solid proof of US citizenship. If there is a delay with replacing/renewing it (like what would have happened if the ongoing budget debate resulted in a government shutdown), you're stuck if you're in a situation where you have to prove citizenship (e.g. applying for a driver's license) and you don't have the certificate.US Passport will always suffice.