Any Recent N-600 Denials Out There????

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USCIS' AAO has not posted any N-600 Decisions on its website since last year.

I am wondering if anyone has gotten a Denial on an N-600 recently. I am particularly interested to know what they tell you about your Appeal Rights in recent denial from both the local offices (including Service Centers) as well as the AAO.

If anyone has this please either write the info in a post or scan (after blacking or whiting out the name, address, and A#) and post (or send).

Thank you! :)
 
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USCIS' AAO has not posted any N-600 Decisions on its website since last year.

I am wondering if anyone has gotten a Denial on an N-600 recently. I am particularly interested to know what they tell you about your Appeal Rights in recent denial from both the local offices (including Service Centers) as well as the AAO.

If anyone has this please either write the info in a post or scan (after blacking or whiting out the name, address, and A#) and post (or send).

Thank you! :)

Just bumping it up... Anyone? I ask because USCIS has slipped a few changes in here and there with little or no notice and even after stating that NO CHANGES would be made.

A case in point is the N-565. It was suggested that they tell folks that USCIS can't change a date of birth AFTER you get a certificate (unless it is a typo). USCIS said no changes would be made. AND THEN, without a word to anyone, they added a NOTE to the latest version of the form instructions about it. They even hid the (poorly written) "supporting statement" on a lesser known website www.reginfo.gov instead of www.regulations.gov
 
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Just bumping it up... Anyone? I ask because USCIS has slipped a few changes in here and there with little or no notice and even after stating that NO CHANGES would be made.

A case in point is the N-565. It was suggested that they tell folks that USCIS can't change a date of birth AFTER you get a certificate (unless it is a typo). USCIS said no changes would be made. AND THEN, without a word to anyone, they added a NOTE to the latest version of the form instructions about it. They even hid the (poorly written) "supporting statement" on a lesser known website www.reginfo.gov instead of www.regulations.gov

Another bump.....
 
USCIS' AAO has not posted any N-600 Decisions on its website since last year.

I am wondering if anyone has gotten a Denial on an N-600 recently. I am particularly interested to know what they tell you about your Appeal Rights in recent denial from both the local offices (including Service Centers) as well as the AAO.

If anyone has this please either write the info in a post or scan (after blacking or whiting out the name, address, and A#) and post (or send).

Thank you! :)

Another bump...this is so it will appear when someone clicks on "What's New". The spammers keep invading and pushing REAL posts down and out of the mix.
 
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USCIS' AAO has not posted any N-600 Decisions on its website since last year.

I am wondering if anyone has gotten a Denial on an N-600 recently. I am particularly interested to know what they tell you about your Appeal Rights in recent denial from both the local offices (including Service Centers) as well as the AAO.

If anyone has this please either write the info in a post or scan (after blacking or whiting out the name, address, and A#) and post (or send).

Thank you! :)

Anybody?

I am bumping in order to try to counteract the extreme spam invasions of late.
 
USCIS' AAO has not posted any N-600 Decisions on its website since last year.

I am wondering if anyone has gotten a Denial on an N-600 recently. I am particularly interested to know what they tell you about your Appeal Rights in recent denial from both the local offices (including Service Centers) as well as the AAO.

If anyone has this please either write the info in a post or scan (after blacking or whiting out the name, address, and A#) and post (or send).

Thank you! :)

Another bump...this is so it will appear when someone clicks on "What's New". The spammers keep invading and pushing REAL posts down and out of the mix.

314 views so far an nobody can help? Amazing. Has USCIS simply stopped issuing N-600 denials for the time being? I wonder.
 
Another bump...this is so it will appear when someone clicks on "What's New". The spammers keep invading and pushing REAL posts down and out of the mix.

314 views so far an nobody can help? Amazing. Has USCIS simply stopped issuing N-600 denials for the time being? I wonder.

Try subscribing to Lexis-Nexis and search through the court cases database (ones past AAO and litigated in US Courts).

There aren't awfully lot of N-600 denials by USCIS posted in Google searchable websites. There are lots of useless links to articles and sites that come up with words "N-600" and "denial", but overwhelming majority does not meet criteria of your inquiry.

The few and mostly old cases I found through Google dealt with overcoming of eligibility requirements in appeal and statute of law applied based on timing of occurrence.

There have not been any changes to law recently, what regulatory changes you refer to? Can you be more specific?

Officer is obliged to provide explanation and reasoning for denial, but I don't think what they send you in regards to your appeals options is just as reliable (sometimes they deny certain petitions with "you have no right to appeal" printed on denial page, but in fact you do have an option and can appeal land so on).

What is with N-565? If date of birth is not a typo why would one wish to change it at any time later? DOB, among other things, used as an identifier.

Provide more specifics and ask more pointed questions and perhaps someone here might have the answers.
Keep in mind that if only a few people (as compared to other categories of applicants) apply for and get denied N-600 then it also makes it so much less likely that a number of them will visit forums such as this one or any will notice what you ask or bother to post the scanned copy of their decision.

As usual, when dealing with legal matters you should contact and consult a practicing immigration attorney , unless you are asking out of idle curiosity.

Good luck
 
Try subscribing to Lexis-Nexis and search through the court cases database (ones past AAO and litigated in US Courts).

There aren't awfully lot of N-600 denials by USCIS posted in Google searchable websites. There are lots of useless links to articles and sites that come up with words "N-600" and "denial", but overwhelming majority does not meet criteria of your inquiry.

The few and mostly old cases I found through Google dealt with overcoming of eligibility requirements in appeal and statute of law applied based on timing of occurrence.

There have not been any changes to law recently, what regulatory changes you refer to? Can you be more specific?

Officer is obliged to provide explanation and reasoning for denial, but I don't think what they send you in regards to your appeals options is just as reliable (sometimes they deny certain petitions with "you have no right to appeal" printed on denial page, but in fact you do have an option and can appeal land so on).

What is with N-565? If date of birth is not a typo why would one wish to change it at any time later? DOB, among other things, used as an identifier.

Provide more specifics and ask more pointed questions and perhaps someone here might have the answers.
Keep in mind that if only a few people (as compared to other categories of applicants) apply for and get denied N-600 then it also makes it so much less likely that a number of them will visit forums such as this one or any will notice what you ask or bother to post the scanned copy of their decision.

As usual, when dealing with legal matters you should contact and consult a practicing immigration attorney , unless you are asking out of idle curiosity.

Good luck

I am curious to see what USCIS is currently advising as to N-600 appeal rights in current decisions. I am well aware of the appropriate N-600 appeal rights and have been a strong advocate to force USCIS to improve what it tells denied N-600 applicants. I am looking for a recent example of the language that USCIS is currently providing.

As for the N-565 issue, many folks make phony requests to change a date of birth for a fraudulent reason. Some want early retirement and others want to get documents for use by a relative (sibling, child, cousin) or just to sell to someone else for a big financial gain. I asked USCIS to tell people up front that they cannot change a DOB. At first USCIS threw up a brick wall then changed their minds AND changed to form instructions.

Look at: http://www.uscis.gov/files/form/n-565instr.pdf USCIS did not make any further announcement about the N-565 form instruction change so, I want to know if they changed the N-600 processing also. I am looking for an example.
 
I am curious to see what USCIS is currently advising as to N-600 appeal rights in current decisions. I am well aware of the appropriate N-600 appeal rights and have been a strong advocate to force USCIS to improve what it tells denied N-600 applicants. I am looking for a recent example of the language that USCIS is currently providing.

As for the N-565 issue, many folks make phony requests to change a date of birth for a fraudulent reason. Some want early retirement and others want to get documents for use by a relative (sibling, child, cousin) or just to sell to someone else for a big financial gain. I asked USCIS to tell people up front that they cannot change a DOB. At first USCIS threw up a brick wall then changed their minds AND changed to form instructions.

Look at: http://www.uscis.gov/files/form/n-565instr.pdf USCIS did not make any further announcement about the N-565 form instruction change so, I want to know if they changed the N-600 processing also. I am looking for an example.

1. The letter of denial can hardly be relied upon for existing appeal options.
This is common occurrence and could be due to the limited resources and manpower to do adjustments , or it could be that those in charge of creating and printing those forms are not legal experts and don't pay attention to what appears to them (if noticed at all) as a negligible discrepancy and inaccuracy, thus USCIS ends up using the same wording or outdated instructions for their printouts.

2. I am surprised that USCIS would ever consider any request for change of DOB other than typo.
DOB is an important identifier , there could be hundreds of John Smith born in any given state but only one born on specific date.
When the USCIS runs BG checks through IBIS, the DOB is the ONLY other identifier they use, other than first and last name, and is the first indicator of match or mismatch if name is recognized in any database. If people could change DOB at whim then it would not only open floodgates of fraud but could also harm unrelated people, like identity theft.
 
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I have been trying to get USCIS to live up to its obligation to provide correct appeal rights notification. I am looking for a current notice in order to find out if they have changed the standardized language in denials. USCIS has made changes in this direction and has issued a Policy Memo and AFM update on this topic.

Regarding a change of date of birth, there are legitimate requests.

EXAMPLES:

A person might flee from their war-torn or disaster ridden country and when processed in a refugee camp or (s)he applies for asylum inside the U.S., they are given an "assigned" DOB. This is usually Jan. 1st of the best guess on the year of birth. Years later, that person is able to return to the country of birth and does obtain their actual birth certificate. They can seek to get it corrected in the records.

Sometimes a person is illiterate in their own language and relies on someone else to do their paperwork during the immigration process. Sometimes a date of registration (March 3, 1974) is written down on forms instead of the actual date of birth (February 6, 1974).

Other times people are coming from a place that uses a different calendar and it gets converted incorrectly and the mistake is not discovered for a long time.

Gregorian vs. Lunar vs. Julian vs. Hijri vs. Persian calendars as examples.

There are legitimate reasons but they few and far between.

Also, background checks are done for all name and DOB combinations found in a person's file.
 
I have been trying to get USCIS to live up to its obligation to provide correct appeal rights notification. I am looking for a current notice in order to find out if they have changed the standardized language in denials. USCIS has made changes in this direction and has issued a Policy Memo and AFM update on this topic.

Very good. If you do this on regular basis, you may also request USCIS to change the wording on instructions to N-400 , as well as redacted public version of AFM posted online, regarding the quesiton 16.D (that has generated so much controversy here).

Regarding a change of date of birth, there are legitimate requests.

EXAMPLES:

A person might flee from their war-torn or disaster ridden country and when processed in a refugee camp or (s)he applies for asylum inside the U.S., they are given an "assigned" DOB. This is usually Jan. 1st of the best guess on the year of birth. Years later, that person is able to return to the country of birth and does obtain their actual birth certificate. They can seek to get it corrected in the records.

Sometimes a person is illiterate in their own language and relies on someone else to do their paperwork during the immigration process. Sometimes a date of registration (March 3, 1974) is written down on forms instead of the actual date of birth (February 6, 1974).

Other times people are coming from a place that uses a different calendar and it gets converted incorrectly and the mistake is not discovered for a long time.

Gregorian vs. Lunar vs. Julian vs. Hijri vs. Persian calendars as examples.

There are legitimate reasons but they few and far between.

Those are not changes, those are corrections to errors (akin to typos).

Also, background checks are done for all name and DOB combinations found in a person's file.

That's beyond dispute, but having option to change both the name and DOB at whim would create very volatile situation where someone totally unrelated to subject could be flagged in cross check that IBIS performs.

(Example: John Smith #1, DOB 03/05/1959 - school teacher, collector of butterflies , no criminal records, immigration applicant; John Smith # 2, DOB 08/10/1963 - notorious criminal, murderer, member of human trafficking ring, outstanding Interpol warrant issued. John Smith #2 requests change of DOB to 03/05/1959. If request is granted then John Smith # 1 unduly harmed, hurdled, scrutinized the next time he is checked against IBIS and so on).
 
I am still hoping that someone has a recent N-600 denial that they will share.


The N-565 instructions have been changed and include a new blurb as follows:

NOTE: USCIS has no legal basis to change a name absent a legal document such as a marriage certificate, divorce decree, or a court ordered name change. In addition, USCIS is prohibited from making any changes to an incorrect date of birth if one has completed the naturalization/citizenship process and sworn to the facts, including the wrong date of birth.

As things now stand, any change in a DOB, besides a typo in certificate preparation, OR a legal name change must be pursued in the District Court under 8 CFR 334.16(b).

§ 334.16 Amendment of petition for naturalization.

(b) After final action on petition. Whenever an application is made to the court to amend a petition for naturalization after final action thereon has been taken by the court, a copy of the application shall be served upon the district director having administrative jurisdiction over the territory in which the court is located, in the manner and within the time provided by the rules of court in which application is made. No objection shall be made to the amendment of a petition for naturalization after the petitioner for naturalization has been admitted to citizenship if the motion or application is to correct a clerical error arising from oversight or omission. A representative of the Service may appear at the hearing upon such application and be heard in favor of or in opposition thereto. When the court orders the petition amended, the clerk of court shall transmit a copy of the order to the district director for inclusion in the Service file.
 
I am still hoping that someone has a recent N-600 denial that they will share.

N600 would be denied if one was not able to prove eligibility for NC. There are several subsections under which one is deemed eligible or not eligible to claim citizenship.

Anyone not meeting statutory minimum requirements would be denied.

In some cases, applicant could be asked for more evidence than what INA requires (Ex1: USC deported by USCIS and later denied N600 due to order of deportation and illegal re-entry. Overruled by appeals court, found USC by virtue of being a child of USC.
Ex2: Woman born in Mexico denied N600. Claimed that her mother was born in US in 1901. USCIS requested BC of mother. Applicant couldn't produce BC, instead produced Baptism record [with DOB 1900] and other testimony/records available. USCIS denied for lack of BC. During appeals immigration decision overruled, sited law in effect at the time of mothers' birth and preponderance of evidence pointing to eligibility.)

Did you try Nexis-Lexis? You should try to use databases that are used by immigration attorneys. It's relatively simple and not too costly to subscribe.

The N-565 instructions have been changed and include a new blurb as follows:

NOTE: USCIS has no legal basis to change a name absent a legal document such as a marriage certificate, divorce decree, or a court ordered name change. In addition, USCIS is prohibited from making any changes to an incorrect date of birth if one has completed the naturalization/citizenship process and sworn to the facts, including the wrong date of birth.

USCIS is not authorized to change the name of person (therefore, those who get Oath ceremony performed by USCIS must wait until after judicial name change).

As to second part, not only USCIS is prohibited from making any changes to date of birth if one has completed the naturalization/citizenship process and sworn to the facts, including the wrong date of birth, but having sworn to incorrect date of birth can serve as a basis of revocation of Citizenship under the strict statutes of providing false testimony to USCIS under the oath.
Of course, this excludes the cases where the applicant was unaware of his accurate DOB , like the Hyderabad, India born applicant whose court case you posted a link to. Such cases can, and rightfully so, be decided by the courts that have jurisdiction over the matter.


As things now stand, any change in a DOB, besides a typo in certificate preparation, OR a legal name change must be pursued in the District Court under 8 CFR 334.16(b).

§ 334.16 Amendment of petition for naturalization.

(b) After final action on petition. Whenever an application is made to the court to amend a petition for naturalization after final action thereon has been taken by the court, a copy of the application shall be served upon the district director having administrative jurisdiction over the territory in which the court is located, in the manner and within the time provided by the rules of court in which application is made. No objection shall be made to the amendment of a petition for naturalization after the petitioner for naturalization has been admitted to citizenship if the motion or application is to correct a clerical error arising from oversight or omission. A representative of the Service may appear at the hearing upon such application and be heard in favor of or in opposition thereto. When the court orders the petition amended, the clerk of court shall transmit a copy of the order to the district director for inclusion in the Service file.

See above.
 
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Kaspar,

I appreciate your interest and all but please be aware that I am fully aware of all that you posted and much more. I wrote the training materials on N-600s for INS and USCIS. If you want to chat about it please use the private message function. Thanks.

I am currently ONLY asking if anyone has gotten an N-600 denial lately and if so to let me see the standardized appeal rights notification.


see: http://www.regulations.gov/#!documentDetail;D=USCIS-2006-0023-0026

That is a link to my initial comment to USCIS in response to a Federal Register Notice in December which came after I wrote to the Director in October about the issue of appeal rights notification. They did make a small change to the I-290B as well over this issue.
 
Kaspar,

I appreciate your interest and all but please be aware that I am fully aware of all that you posted and much more. I wrote the training materials on N-600s for INS and USCIS. If you want to chat about it please use the private message function. Thanks.

I am currently ONLY asking if anyone has gotten an N-600 denial lately and if so to let me see the standardized appeal rights notification.


see: http://www.regulations.gov/#!documentDetail;D=USCIS-2006-0023-0026

That is a link to my initial comment to USCIS in response to a Federal Register Notice in December which came after I wrote to the Director in October about the issue of appeal rights notification. They did make a small change to the I-290B as well over this issue.

Good luck with your efforts, Bigjoe,
however, since you wrote the guidelines for USCIS wouldn't it be more efficient for you to get the standardized print-out form from the agency for which you prepared it? They may prevent your access to individual unpublished case decisions to protect the privacy of applicants, but what about the generic printout form they attach to all of their N600 denials?

Since you want to hear only from N600 applicants I will let others chime in , so consider it my last reply on the question posted.

P.S. I don't have anything to chat about in private, but since you are familiar with the regulations, could you provide some clarifications on question 16.D of N-400?
The latest revised form asks whether one was ever cited by any LEO for any reason.
Instructions attached to N-400 don't have mention of word "cited" and only give examples of what to do in case if one was arrested or detained. The published and redacted version of AFM also lacks the reference to most current form N-400, instead discussing what appears to be the older version of N-400.
How do you explain such discrepancy?
Are those who , after reading instructions and published AFM , assume that citation can be concealed risking to have petitions denied for not answering the question truthfully? Or was the question itself worded erroneously? Could you clarify this? There are 89 pages of controversial postings on this subject and everyone seems to make their own decision how to respond to this question.
If you have great deal of awareness about current regulations it would be great if you responded with your opinion under relevant thread, with corresponding sections of INA and CFR to back up your point of view.

Regards,
KASPAR
 
Try subscribing to Lexis-Nexis and search through the court cases database (ones past AAO and litigated in US Courts).
The reason BigJoe is asking is that no N-600 appeals AAO decisions appear on uscis.gov since last year. This suggests that they have either stopped posting them or there has been a complete halt in N-600 appeals Searching lexis-nexis would not explain why they aren't posted on uscis.gov.
 
The reason BigJoe is asking is that no N-600 appeals AAO decisions appear on uscis.gov since last year. This suggests that they have either stopped posting them or there has been a complete halt in N-600 appeals Searching lexis-nexis would not explain why they aren't posted on uscis.gov.

We already clarified this matter with Bigjoe and I will not reply to this thread again.
 
USCIS' AAO has not posted any N-600 Decisions on its website since last year.

I am wondering if anyone has gotten a Denial on an N-600 recently. I am particularly interested to know what they tell you about your Appeal Rights in recent denial from both the local offices (including Service Centers) as well as the AAO.

If anyone has this please either write the info in a post or scan (after blacking or whiting out the name, address, and A#) and post (or send).

Thank you! :)

I am still hoping someone will have something to show.

I am attaching some additional material. (it's short...for me.)
 
USCIS' AAO has not posted any N-600 Decisions on its website since last year.

I am wondering if anyone has gotten a Denial on an N-600 recently. I am particularly interested to know what they tell you about your Appeal Rights in recent denial from both the local offices (including Service Centers) as well as the AAO.

If anyone has this please either write the info in a post or scan (after blacking or whiting out the name, address, and A#) and post (or send).

Thank you! :)

A bit more reading material.
 
USCIS' AAO has not posted any N-600 Decisions on its website since last year.

I am wondering if anyone has gotten a Denial on an N-600 recently. I am particularly interested to know what they tell you about your Appeal Rights in recent denial from both the local offices (including Service Centers) as well as the AAO.

If anyone has this please either write the info in a post or scan (after blacking or whiting out the name, address, and A#) and post (or send).

Thank you! :)

I'm just bumping it one last time. 649 folks have viewed but nobody has been able to put forth a case. That alone tells me that USCIS is "re-working the processing" behind the scenes. That's a good development.
 
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