AC21 On EAD Expired H1B. Risk???

krishbhag

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I am thinking of changing jobs, and I have been with my sponsor employer (Employer A) for more than 3 years and I have a approved LC, I140 and EAD and AP with them and also pending I485 case on file. My H1B with Employer A has expired on Feb 1 2009 and my new job with Employer B is with a corporate and they are only giving me a option to make a switch on EAD.

Employer A said he will wait till my AC21 is filed (Max 2 months) and withdraw there approved I140 petition for me. In this situation if something goes wrong after my approved I140 is revoked and my I485 is denied as I hear in lot of cases when a I140 is revoked, will I be out of status immediately since I am currently not on a H1B status but EAD/AP status. Do I have to stop working for Employer B and leave the country immediately? Please advice.

Do we get any kind of communication back from USCIS regarding them getting AC21 and them accepting it. I have seen a couple of postings on this forum saying there AC21 is accepted what does that mean, please advice.


H1B expired with Employer A - February 2009.
LC Approved October 2006,
I140 Approved October 2007,
I485 Received Date - September 2007.
 
I am thinking of changing jobs, and I have been with my sponsor employer (Employer A) for more than 3 years and I have a approved LC, I140 and EAD and AP with them and also pending I485 case on file.
My H1B with Employer A has expired on Feb 1 2009 and my new job with Employer B is with a corporate and they are only giving me a option to make a switch on EAD.
--------------------you can join B with EAD.
Employer A said he will wait till my AC21 is filed (Max 2 months) and withdraw there approved I140 petition for me.
--------------------you are eligible for AC21 once join new employer get permanent job offer letter with same/similar job duties and request USCIS to invoke AC21 with your pending I-485.You can take the help of employer B lawyer or can hire your lawyer. Even if the Employer A withdraw/revoke your approved I140 petition you still are eligible for AC21.

In this situation if something goes wrong after my approved I140 is revoked and my I485 is denied as I hear in lot of cases when a I140 is revoked, will I be out of status immediately since I am currently not on a H1B status but EAD/AP status.
--------------- if your I-140 is revoked it does not matter in your case as you have I-140 approved and I-485 pending more than 180 days and your employer B is ready to give you job offer letter to invoke AC21.if employer A revoke I-140 still you will be AOS pending as your I-485 is pending. not mix your case with others those who dont have I-140 approved.
Do I have to stop working for Employer B and leave the country immediately? Please advice.
-------- Why? you CAN join B and invoke AC21.
Do we get any kind of communication back from USCIS regarding them getting AC21 and them accepting it.
----------you or your lawyer send the AC21 request to USCIS (where I-485 is pending) and USCIS dont send any reciept of accepting it or rejecting it they only attach with I-485 file.

I have seen a couple of postings on this forum saying there AC21 is accepted what does that mean, please advice.
---------------give me link to post that says they got info from USCIS that AC21 is accepted. USCIS dont send any reply for AC21.

H1B expired with Employer A - February 2009.
LC Approved October 2006,
I140 Approved October 2007,
I485 Received Date - September 2007.

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Thanks Ginnu for your valuable advice. I just want to add something and please let me know what you think.

The Company B attorney is not willing to file my AC21 and he advised HR of Company not to provide any paperwork from the employer that can support AC21(basically Employment Verification Letter).

In my case where I have a approved I140 are there chances of direct I485 denial from USCIS as opposed to them sending a RFE or NOID if I do not file a AC21 when I join Company B.

Can I apply for a H1B Transfer to Company B just to keep as an additional safety net as Company B is not willing to do AC21. Am I even eligible to apply for a transfer of H1B as my H1B with Company A expired on 1st February 2009.

Can I file AC21 with my only attorney with just the offer letter which does not mention the skill set but only specifies Job Title and Wages.

Really appreciate your help, can not explain how helpful your advice is.
 
Thanks Ginnu for your valuable advice. I just want to add something and please let me know what you think.

The Company B attorney is not willing to file my AC21 and he advised HR of Company not to provide any paperwork from the employer that can support AC21(basically Employment Verification Letter).
-------------------------then why to join employer B??
In my case where I have a approved I140 are there chances of direct I485 denial from USCIS as opposed to them sending a RFE or NOID if I do not file a AC21 when I join Company B.
-------------------------- I know of few cases where AC21 was not invoked USCIS sent NOID and for others long RFE. if the USCIS ask the new employer permanent job offer letter in RFE and B is not ready to give then USCIS can deny I-485.
Can I apply for a H1B Transfer to Company B just to keep as an additional safety net as Company B is not willing to do AC21. Am I even eligible to apply for a transfer of H1B as my H1B with Company A expired on 1st February 2009
------------------you can transfer H1 but for approval of I-485 you will still need job offer letter to invoke AC21.
Can I file AC21 with my only attorney with just the offer letter which does not mention the skill set but only specifies Job Title and Wages.
----------------If B is ready to give you permanent job offer letter you can file AC21 through any lawyer or directlty .
Really appreciate your help, can not explain how helpful your advice is.
----------- I will not go with B if B is not ready to give permanent job offer letter.
 
Company B is giving me a Offer letter to join now but not a employment verification letter with all my skills and duties listed in it and the offer letter only has job title and salary information.

Company B attorney says "if" at all USCIS sends a RFE or NOID or a query then he will support me and respond with all required and requested documents then.

My concern is it is worth taking that risk of joining this job on H1B and wait for RFE to come and then get the documents to support them then or should I just not take the offer and look for one (unfortunately the market is a killer too).
 
Company B is giving me a Offer letter to join now but not a employment verification letter with all my skills and duties listed in it and the offer letter only has job title and salary information.

It's not ideal, but it's probably enough for AC21 purposes.

My concern is it is worth taking that risk of joining this job on H1B and wait for RFE to come and then get the documents to support them then or should I just not take the offer and look for one (unfortunately the market is a killer too).

Your other option is to take this job, and keep looking for a better one. ;)
 
If I join a new employer without joining AC21, are there chances of my I485 getting denied instead of getting an RFE or NOID. Please advice how risky in the current immigration situation would it be and what are the chances of getting a direct denial if a AC21 is not filed.
 
Matthew Oh Attorney Reporting(www.immigration-law.com)
10/23/2008: Increasing Customer Reports of Denial of AC-21 Ported I-485 Applications Without NOID by USCIS Upon Petitioner's Withdrawal of Approved I-140 Petitions

USCIS Adjudicator Field Manual (AFM) Section 20.2(c) which incorporated the so-called AC-21 Memorandums released by Yates, Ayes, and Neufeld indicates that AC-21 ported I-485 must be denied if the petitioning employer withdraws the approved underlying I-140 petition if the alien ports before 180 days of I-485 filing, but if the employer withdraws the approved I-140 petition for the alien beneficiary who ports after 180 days of filing of I-485 application, such I-485 application should not be denied. The Memorandums and the AFM further provide that when the agency has no record of the ported alien's proactive report of AC-21 portability report in the file when the petitioner's withdrawal is received, the agency "must" issue Notice of Intent to Deny (NOID) pending I-485 applications rather than outright denial of I-485 applications.
At the outset, we must clarify one key point here. The memorandums and AFM are neither rules nor laws and have no legally binding force. No one will dispute on this point. However, the memorandums and AFM provide guidance and internal processing standards for the adjudicators, which the petitioners and the beneficiaries of petitions and applicants rely on as the guidance, policy, and practice of the agency. For these reasons, even though the menrandums and AFM are not legally binding, the adjudicators should adhere to the guidance to meet the expectation of the customers.
We have no detailed information on the reasons for reported denials of the ported I-485 applications. At this point, all we can discuss are the potential causes and reasons for denials.
Issue of Employer's Intent of Continuing Offer of Employment or Alien Employees' Retaining Continuing Intent to Work for the Petitioning Employer at the Time of Approval of I-140 Petitions: The Memorandums and AFM provide that "throughout" the process, the petitioning employer and the alien employee must retain this "intent" at least "at the time of approval of I-140 petitions." Employer's statement of withdrawal and accompanying materials may offer some evidence for the agency to reviisit the approved I-140 petition and revoke the approved I-140 petition on these issues. Such decision comes within the authority of the agency as inerpreted by the agency in the form of Memorandums and AFM. We cannot dispute with such decision.
Issue of Failure to Issue NOID Before Denial of I-485 Applications: As we discussed earlier, the alien beneficiary may rely on the Memorandums and AFM and expect to receive a NOID and an opportunity to provide the evidence that establish the eligibility for the portability. The problem is a narrow reading of NOID obligation for the agency under the Memorandums. Arguably, the Memorandums mandate the adjudicators to issue a NOID to collect the evidence of the beneficiary's porting and evidence of eligibility for the porting. However, the foregoing issue of "intent" of the employer and the employee for the petitioned employment appears to fall outside of the AC-21 portability rules. It is more or less the fundamental rule and law of the employment-based immigration petitions and applications.
Issue of Revocation of I-140 Petition for "Good Cause" By the Agency Rather Than Employer's Withdrawal: It is clear that the agency cannot deny I-485 for revocation of the approved I-140 petition simply based on the employer's "withdrawal" of petition. However, the agency is authorized to revoke the approved I-140 petition based on "good cause" including frauds, misrepresentation, and belatedly detected facts that would have caused the adjucators to deny I-140 petitions, had the adjudicators have the information at the time of adjudication of I-140 petition. Again, if the agency denied I-485 applications on such grounds, it appears that the Memorandums and AFM do not mandate the agency to issue NOID before revocation of the petition and/or denial of accompanying I-485 applications.
The real concern involves a question as to whether or not recent denials of ported I-485 applications have been caused by the newly hired adjudicators who are still in training stage. If it turns out that it is a training issue, the USCIS should quickly come forward to correct such problems which unjustly cause the consumers expensive and time-consuming remedial action in the form of motion to reopen or motion to reconsider or even appeal.
 
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