a general question i was wondering about US citizens rights in other countries

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i've watched a few movies here and there about how american woman who have kids with over seas men then the men kidnap or take their kids....and have started to think about reality ...if u become a usa citizen and go over seas to ur birth country and take ur american born citizen kids with u.. and ur spouce who does not have a green card or US Visa of any sort,,can he take custody of the kids from u? is there some law that this can happen? i mean what if the mother is an american citizen by oath doesnt that give her any american rights to keep her american kids or no whats the law on that? i mean stuff like that probably does happen for them to make movies about it.
 
Not because I was born in Iran, but as a person who lived there I can tell that this movie is not really true.
It has some points about the government which is true and all one way rules govern in Iran but in general this movie has tried to have an impact in the way people looking at Iran.
Any country can make this kind of movies against any other countries which they hate.

I heard somewhere that the only country that US can not support you is your own original country. I don't have much of info.
 
The US state department may intervene on your behalf if they have a treaty or diplomatic ties with that country but otherwise it doesn't stop a spouse from kidnapping your child(ren) and keeping them in a foreign country.
 
I'll ask you a question... Why should US citizens have rights in another country? I know the US is a super power, but even that has its limits. As a USC living in a foreign country, you are a guest or an immigrant (gloried guest) until you naturalize there - therefore it should not be expected that you have any rights beyond those that are afforded to visitors. Sure the US Dept. of State can intervene but in some countries that doesn't amount to much.
 
This is an issue involving conflicting laws. Once your child is already in the foreign country, it becomes harder to bring him back home. Ideally you should start legal proceedings in both countries and see which one is able to provide relief. If the child is in a western nation, you are likely to get a fair shake. But if the child is in some back water like Iran, the local court is likely to favor the local parent.

The best way to recover your child is to hire a bounty hunter. There are people that do this for a living.
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The problem may be with the other country. Many Islamic/Muslim countries give full custody to the father and the mother cannot contest this in those countries. So if the father kidnaps the kid and enters that country, the woman will have a tough time taking the father to court.
 
This leads to the question "What countries practice and enforce part of Shariah law that only allows males legal custody of children"
 
They change regulation on day to day basis at least in iran, + it can be changed base on the judge has the control on your case. Simply most of the positive vote will go for males but in many jurisdictions of courts you see that they have changed many rules for women. I know for a fact UN has put lots of pressure on iran to straighten its rules, but my knowledge covers only parts of tehran and not many other villages and cities which follow their own regulation. They make it somehow for the favor of men.
They made up their own rules and regulation and the put religion's name in front to rule around. But keep in mind that religion has nothing to do with all these but the people and government.
To answer to BobSm question, I guess iran follow those laws strictly.
 
It's sad that they use religion to enforce ideas and beliefs since for many people religion is the center of what gives them hope and strength to continue on living in this world.
 
It's sad that they use religion to enforce ideas and beliefs since for many people religion is the center of what gives them hope and strength to continue on living in this world.

They have darkened the purity in Islam because of all these. I am not Muslim myself but I do respect the religion and I know parts of it as I grew up among them and being able to read books and history, but the way they are approaching it is a total BS to me (government). All they have done is turning a religion to a self made up equipment to force people around for their own proposes and needs and specially pleasure to the point which made it so hard for people who are living in Iran to even bother perusing any kind of religions particularly Islam.
As you said, they have lost the point and their center of hope for living and that is a big sign for a corrupt system by replacing hope and future in people mind and injecting false ideas with drugs and lack of employments.
Unfortunately, no matter where you live in the globe you are forced to move around with little number of politicians which have the whole power behind the scene of our eyes.
 
Ofcourse we are assuming that all women rightfully deserve custody. I have little sympathy for some American women and how they conduct themselves. So if it was between a hard working decent muslim man and some slutty American woman, the custody should ideally go to the father, whatever the adjudicating forum.

And there is always going to some bias in favor of the local resident. Infact that is why we have diversity jurisdiction in Federal Courts - to avoid state courts favoring their own residents. Thus, an Iranian court will likely favor the Iranian father or mother whereas an American court may be biased to towards the American (especially white) parent. In my interaction with most American people, I have noticed that while they respect other cultures, they firmly believe that the American way of life is superior to all. And this plays a huge role in adjudicating matters involving inter-cultural issues. So I would not be surprised that an American court would favor the American parent. For instance, most Americans are terrified at the thought of children growing up having to wear a hijab. Now looking at it from an Islamic point of view, there is nothing wrong with it. Many Muslims women I have talked to actually *like* wearing hijab and do it by choice. But modern American women believe that it is mediavel and for them showing cleavage is the way to go.

So yeah, be careful in deciding who to marry. Many Arab men tend to pretty suave. They have that whole tall-dark-handsome thing going for them. You'll see them in clubs, their beards trimmed or non-existent, drinking alcohol, chatting merrily with women. But that is usually not the real picture. They tend to change after marriage. Most will just become more religious and focus on the family and work. Not that I blame them. American culture has nothing to offer but getting drunk. But some become radical - going to training camps in Afgahnistan etc. So be careful before you marry a Muslim.
 
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