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DV 2015 Selectees from Ghana

USA14 said:
In asmuchas we sympathize with your case, I think it’s not right to “play” forum members by posting untruths. Let’s be honest with our postings at all times, afterall most of us are anonymous on this forum and it wouldn’t serve anybody any good...saying you were approved and now denied- it puts your credibility on the line. If we aren’t ready to share our details please let’s hold our peace entirely until we are ready. My humble opinion. ( “play”, in this case, is an euphemism for deception.) sorry for the refusal.
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Thanks for your empathy. I said I was approved because they took my passport. One thing that baffles me is tis as if your case has already been approved or denied. The CO knows everything before you get there. Maybe they spent a fortnight on the cases.
 
Asomdwee Wura said:
Thanks for your empathy. I said I was approved because they took my passport. One thing that baffles me is tis as if your case has already been approved or denied. The CO knows everything before you get there. Maybe they spent a fortnight on the cases.
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No, the CO does not know everything before you get there. That is why you have an interview, with documents you need to provide. Yes sometimes they know in advance if they will deny - but there is always the chance that in a case they expect to approve, something in the documentation changes that to denial. This can be details on official documents that show names or date or place of birth don't match the entry, education check, fake marriage, criminal record etc. they also do another photo check during the interview.
 
@Asomdwee Wura sorry bro. i guess i have to give up now because i happen to have the same problem with the name odder arrangement and it might surly end
Asomdwee Wura said:
I didn't want to share my first interview experience cos wanted to be sure of today first.

My experience
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Went to the embassy two weeks ago. Sat under the trees. They came and opened the door. Security checks as usual. Entered and a fair lady who wanted money from us took us through. DV people were 5. We took docs to Window 1 and given a sheet to fill and asked to wait for the cashier. We paid and submitted the form back to window 1. Took the forms somewhere. Lots of people there. Started calling names. First DV applicant was a man and his family and voila were approved. Second person was refused. A guy who sat by me. He said the CO told him dat he didn't comply with the rules. Gave him a sheet with the reason. The guy was shocked cos he sed nothing was wrong. My turn now. Was called. Went there. He said he cant give me the visa now but should come on 30th and gave me a sheet.

Today 30th....
Went there early. Usual checkins. Was sure of going for my visa cos most guys that were refused took their passports. My turn came again. He said he would have offered to give the visa to me but I dont qualify educationally. I said, "are u kidin me". Asked him why and he jus handed me back my documents and the refusal letter. I have cried at the embassy today. If anybody here went to the embassy today Asomdwee Wura is the guy that the security people came to pick from the floor. The one the white lady was consoling. The CO didnt even wan me to talk. I have been refused.

Guys..... I don know how they do their eviction but these people are something else. He even took my degree and looked at it for some seconds and SHS cert. What a shock. Still in a car though to my house. Hmmm.
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this actually suck @Asomdwee Wura sorry buddy. i guess i have to give up now because i happen to have the same problem with the name order arrangement thing, moreover i don't have one of my names on my school certificates it only appears on my birth cert. and passport and i might surly end refused too. thinking about the monetary aspect ahead; paused.... am at a cross road, a bit skeptical i haven't done my medicals yet and and my interview is on 26th may. ive given up everything just to pursue this dream but it looks like i have made a mistake which of cause i may soon live to regret, worried about my family and future .Wish i met you guys before even thinking of making my first submission. thanks for being a family
 
koffis said:
@Asomdwee Wura sorry bro. i guess i have to give up now because i happen to have the same problem with the name odder arrangement and it might surly end

this actually suck @Asomdwee Wura sorry buddy. i guess i have to give up now because i happen to have the same problem with the name order arrangement thing, moreover i don't have one of my names on my school certificates it only appears on my birth cert. and passport and i might surly end refused too. thinking about the monetary aspect ahead; paused.... am at a cross road, a bit skeptical i haven't done my medicals yet and and my interview is on 26th may. ive given up everything just to pursue this dream but it looks like i have made a mistake which of cause i may soon live to regret, worried about my family and future .Wish i met you guys before even thinking of making my first submission. thanks for being a family
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I think you need to re- read the denied op's post carefully. you also need to read the salient points raised by Sm1smom as noted by I think King Dee:

1. The issue of country of chargeability- your country of edv entry was Ghana and consistently so in the Ds 260?

2. your photo - was it OK?

3. Did you do the entry YOURSELF or an AGENT did it for you- this is most important as you know exactly what you filled in your initial entry(edv).

Finally are your names those commonly used or unique. I guess the risk is high if they are common as they are likely to show multiple entry

My thinking is that a unique name plus a good photo plus correct information submitted by you and not by an AGENT would yield consistency worth taking an interview gamble.I am also hoping that you have met the educational requirements

Your call though.
 
I salute you @oBj' @ Asomdwee Aura. It takes courage to face and share news about defeat. Life goes on and very new day comes with opportunities so more doors will open for you.
This feels like the most depressing thread in the entire forum, so many visas going away! Something surely has to give way in Ghana, maybe not in 2015 but DV there cannot stay the course.
 
koffis said:
@Asomdwee Wura sorry bro. i guess i have to give up now because i happen to have the same problem with the name odder arrangement and it might surly end

this actually suck @Asomdwee Wura sorry buddy. i guess i have to give up now because i happen to have the same problem with the name order arrangement thing, moreover i don't have one of my names on my school certificates it only appears on my birth cert. and passport and i might surly end refused too. thinking about the monetary aspect ahead; paused.... am at a cross road, a bit skeptical i haven't done my medicals yet and and my interview is on 26th may. ive given up everything just to pursue this dream but it looks like i have made a mistake which of cause i may soon live to regret, worried about my family and future .Wish i met you guys before even thinking of making my first submission. thanks for being a family
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As long as there is error in the edv compared to the DS 260, there will be a possibility of denied. The names order error ( NAMES INTERCHANGE) will be a concern to the CO since that is a common way most people use for multiple entry. As we all know, Ghana is full of agents and applicants who do multiple entries with name interchange along with different birth dates so CO being experienced know this trick. The question is whether the applicant or the agent did multiple entry. The goodnews is that CO might run through the system for multiple entry checks and if sure there was a single entry then the possibility of denied is reduced. So my brother think through!
 
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i thought multiple entry is checked before the draw is done. or is it done twice :- before the draw & at interview.
 
Thowa said:
i thought multiple entry is checked before the draw is done. or is it done twice :- before the draw & at interview.
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The bigger picture is that the DV marathon starts at edv submission and ends at POE. all other intermediate hurdles abound. Keep this in mind.
 
Britsimon said:
Yes but what is important is the education gained at elementary and secondary level - so the CO seems to think you did not make the grade at that level.
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So, let me understand this! Are you saying that elementary and secondary education adds up to 12 years? Is college not factored in the 12 years? At my secondary level, I was in Grade 9 when I transferred to complete my two years at a community college? Are you saying that I did not complete my secondary education? I have my CXC's to show that I did. In addition, I completed my college education based on my community college results. Added to that, I am also a teacher, with an Associates degree in Secondary Education specializing in business. I have been teaching for the past 11 years. Of course, I am pursuing a first degree in management. I have many certifications as a specialist but...don't get me wrong, I am not bragging. Just trying to get it right!

Our education system combines elementary and primary which totals 10 years. The other two years is completed at the state college, which brings us to a total of 12 years.
 
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Coreoan said:
So, let me understand this! Are you saying that elementary and secondary education adds up to 12 years? Is college not factored in the 12 years? At my secondary level, I was in Grade 9 when I transferred to complete my two years at a community college? Are you saying that I did not complete my secondary education? I have my CXC's to show that I did. In addition, I completed my college education based on my community college results. Added to that, I am also a teacher, with an Associates degree in Secondary Education specializing in business. I have been teaching for the past 11 years. Of course, I am pursuing a first degree in management. I have many certifications as a specialist but...don't get me wrong, I am not bragging. Just trying to get it right!

Our education system combines elementary and primary which totals 10 years. The other two years is completed at the state college, which brings us to a total of 12 years.
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All countries systems are different. The rules talk about 12 years but what it really means is the point at which you are eligible to enter a US college (University). From what you are saying that should probably include the state college 2 years and that would be considered included within the secondary education. That is similar to the UK system - and in my day that extra 2 years was optional, but necessary if you wanted to attend University.
 
Coreoan said:
So, let me understand this! Are you saying that elementary and secondary education adds up to 12 years? Is college not factored in the 12 years? At my secondary level, I was in Grade 9 when I transferred to complete my two years at a community college? Are you saying that I did not complete my secondary education? I have my CXC's to show that I did. In addition, I completed my college education based on my community college results. Added to that, I am also a teacher, with an Associates degree in Secondary Education specializing in business. I have been teaching for the past 11 years. Of course, I am pursuing a first degree in management. I have many certifications as a specialist but...don't get me wrong, I am not bragging. Just trying to get it right!

Our education system combines elementary and primary which totals 10 years. The other two years is completed at the state college, which brings us to a total of 12 years.
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It sounds to me like you would need to confirm how your education stacks up against the DV requirements. There are some countries with similar kind of issues where certain people have been 'caught out' in believing they had the requisite education because they had completed school and been to college, but it was not regarded as acceptable for DV' and they were denied. And as you know there are people with degrees who have been denied for not having the high school complete according to the DV rules.
You would however probably be able to get around it using work experience if you have been teaching (I haven't checked but assume it meets the required job and SVP levels).
 
SusieQQQ said:
It sounds to me like you would need to confirm how your education stacks up against the DV requirements. There are some countries with similar kind of issues where certain people have been 'caught out' in believing they had the requisite education because they had completed school and been to college, but it was not regarded as acceptable for DV' and they were denied. And as you know there are people with degrees who have been denied for not having the high school complete according to the DV rules.
You would however probably be able to get around it using work experience if you have been teaching (I haven't checked but assume it meets the required job and SVP levels).
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I completed high school. If I did not I would not have been able to attend teachers college! It is just that our system is formatted differently from the USA. Interestingly, we get accepted into their universities with our qualifications and given exemptions with our college credits. I guess to each his own!

What I don't understand is if you are long past high school why use that as a measure? A professional CV when prepared does not require high school certification. You would not have gotten to a professional level educationally if you had gaps in your high school education. That requirement is for those who are just leaving middle schools and college. But, as I said to each his own!
 
Britsimon said:
All countries systems are different. The rules talk about 12 years but what it really means is the point at which you are eligible to enter a US college (University). From what you are saying that should probably include the state college 2 years and that would be considered included within the secondary education. That is similar to the UK system - and in my day that extra 2 years was optional, but necessary if you wanted to attend University.
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Yes, it does match with he UK system!
 
Coreoan said:
I completed high school. If I did not I would not have been able to attend teachers college! It is just that our system is formatted differently from the USA. Interestingly, we get accepted into their universities with our qualifications and given exemptions with our college credits. I guess to each his own!

What I don't understand is if you are long past high school why use that as a measure? A professional CV when prepared does not require high school certification. You would not have gotten to a professional level educationally if you had gaps in your high school education. That requirement is for those who are just leaving middle schools and college. But, as I said to each his own!
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If you get accepted into US universities with your high school then obviously it meets the requirements. Now...

Think about it logically. There are 55000 DV visas technically available each year. They need a standard, you can't expect COs around the world to be trying to figure out each and every case on its own merits especially when education systems differ everywhere. There are some countries where their "bachelors" is only equivalent to a US associate degree for example, and where (at the university i attended) they would have needed a master's to apply for a master's - as it was only seen as equivalent to a bachelors - and all linked back to their high school system falling short of equivalency. Again this was not DV but academic entry,but you see the point. So something may seem obvious to you, less so to the people trying to set a standard that COs around the world dealing with tens of thousands of visas can apply without spending a day analyzing each applicant....

Also perhaps it doesn't apply to your country, but many countries have a mature age exemption or accept equivalency for college entry - neither of which count for DV. So it is not at all obvious that just because you attended college you finished high school. Also not to be rude, I'm sure yours is different, but in my country it used to be that "teachers colleges" which have a four year diploma were only attended by those whose grades were not good enough for university entrance. So again,nothing obvious, especially when you consider that a fair amount of people interview In countries that are not the same as where they went to school.
 
Am really scared now. So does it mean those of us who are holding only high school certificates are not safe? We even have to face the second world war(Nov/Dec) in order to get the necessary passes. Want to know if someone could not make the necessary passes at school but had to rewrite the papers again in order to get the passes can be denied on the basses that he did not make it the first time at school?
 
SusieQQQ said:
If you get accepted into US universities with your high school then obviously it meets the requirements. Now...

Think about it logically. There are 55000 DV visas technically available each year. They need a standard, you can't expect COs around the world to be trying to figure out each and every case on its own merits especially when education systems differ everywhere. There are some countries where their "bachelors" is only equivalent to a US associate degree for example, and where (at the university i attended) they would have needed a master's to apply for a master's - as it was only seen as equivalent to a bachelors - and all linked back to their high school system falling short of equivalency. Again this was not DV but academic entry,but you see the point. So something may seem obvious to you, less so to the people trying to set a standard that COs around the world dealing with tens of thousands of visas can apply without spending a day analyzing each applicant....

Also perhaps it doesn't apply to your country, but many countries have a mature age exemption or accept equivalency for college entry - neither of which count for DV. So it is not at all obvious that just because you attended college you finished high school. Also not to be rude, I'm sure yours is different, but in my country it used to be that "teachers colleges" which have a four year diploma were only attended by those whose grades were not good enough for university entrance. So again,nothing obvious, especially when you consider that a fair amount of people interview In countries that are not the same as where they went to school.
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Well...those who are not eligible here in my country would do well with that 'teachers college'! However, it is not the same in mine!
 
SusieQQQ said:
I hope you are not from Albania.
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No, it is a Caribbean country that would not be of little significance to the big countries but...it does not matter. I qualify for Canada, which is way better than going to America. If I win or not it does not matter right now when I would have read all those things one have to deal with. No offense!
 
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