Could this phone conversation been wiretapped and recorded ?

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fatethe

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Hi, Im new to here. Im posting for a friend of mine. He is a foreign Asian guy engaged to a black girl. His family in Asia is conservative and racist. They do not want a black daughter in law. So on the international phone conversation he lied to his parents that he paid her $ to get him a green card. Now he concerns that could that phone call have possibly been recorded due to the random wiretapping on international calls by NSA( or DHS, Im not sure about which agency but I know there is at least one spying on international phone calls).

He is in love with the girl but just for getting around with his parents he lied about it on phone. He's scared that the content of the phone conversation could caught NSA's attention and been recorded. NSA could 've reported him to USCIS.

Is it possible?
 
Dear Paranoid,

YES, of course they know who he is and where he is....they're probably about to kick his door down and haul him off to Guantanamo Bay................

Hollywood thanks you for your gullibility...........
 
No one can speculate on what NSA captured or didn't capture. However, you can bet that large proportion of people's calls are randomly captured and analyzed for threat levels to the US. As for your friend, he has more problems with his parents than with USCIS, if they are racists, then he should marry a woman whom they can accept, except that his wife is going to have hellish experiences with them. Racists are small-minded people, but what is more problematic is that your friend seem to believe that lying to them is a moral thing. He needs to just move-on and leave this woman alone, especially if he can't stand up to his parents about his true feelings towards the "black girl", because it seems as if they are more accepting of his lies that he paid her for the green card. Is the fact that he claim he paid her, the reason his parents will accept her till he gets the green card? If the marriage is a sham, don't worry, USCIS is going to rip his head-off when he gets caught, deport him and permanently bar him from ever entering the US.
 
BigJoe5 said:
Dear Paranoid,

YES, of course they know who he is and where he is....they're probably about to kick his door down and haul him off to Guantanamo Bay................

Hollywood thanks you for your gullibility...........
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Funny reply bro. Anyway if you google it you ll find tons of info about the NSA's warrantless wiretapping, especially on international phone calls. I believe the gov record all phone calls , the thing is r u worthy their investigation. I dun know if NSA will report any suspicious calls to USCIS. I guess they might not have time or $ to keep an eye on non terrorist but my friend is paranoid indeed. He thinks once he applies for immigration papers his name will be pulled out off FBI name check " Mr. xxx , marriage fraud, we have evidence of your phone conversation....."
 
I think he's playing stalling tactic with his parents. They dun live with him anyway, outta sight outta mind. If they have a baby in the future he could just say, hey mom, look, in the first place it was a biz but we accidentally had a baby....the biz wound up to be real love. Look at your grandchild , how cute. then his parents have to accept.
 
fatethe said:
I think he's playing stalling tactic with his parents. They dun live with him anyway, outta sight outta mind. If they have a baby in the future he could just say, hey mom, look, in the first place it was a biz but we accidentally had a baby....the biz wound up to be real love. Look at your grandchild , how cute. then his parents have to accept.
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Bigotry lives in the DNA of people, the grandchild will only suffer the worst of his or her grandparents small-mindedness. You will be amazed at what NSA reports to all govt agency, your friend should prepare to explain himself when he appears for green card interview. It is crazy, that your friend is actually you who is posting on this forum.
 
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Al Southner said:
Bigotry lives in the DNA of people, the grandchild will only suffer the worst of his or her grandparents small-mindedness. You will be amazed at what NSA reports to all govt agency, your friend should prepare to explain himself when he appears for green card interview. It is crazy, that your friend is actually you who is posting on this forum.
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You dun see Azn cultures. Azn parents always have problem with their kids dating blk. Im not debating this is stupid of not but its the fact. Its like either the gal or parents you gotta choose one, so you gotta get around.

How could u assumed Im the "my friend" im talking about? Thats ridiculous, man. I dun understand why there are so many judgmental peoples. When ppl post in here of course they need help instead of someone who tear them down.
 
Forget the Parents, I believe that "Your Friend" himself is just looking for a cheap way to sneak into this country and i will bet you once ( WITH A BIG IF ) "Your Friend" is able to get his papers and with his racist parents pressure, reality is gonna sunk in and he is gonna end up leaving the poor "Black Girl" and marrying a honey from back home and blame it on difference of culture etc etc.
BTW in this country labelling a human being "Black Girl" itself is sort of racist, they are African Americans.
 
namecheckvictim said:
Forget the Parents, I believe that "Your Friend" himself is just looking for a cheap way to sneak into this country and i will bet you once ( WITH A BIG IF ) "Your Friend" is able to get his papers and with his racist parents pressure, reality is gonna sunk in and he is gonna end up leaving the poor "Black Girl" and marrying a honey from back home and blame it on difference of culture etc etc.
BTW in this country labelling a human being "Black Girl" itself is sort of racist, they are African Americans.
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I dun understand why ppl always stereotype. His parents being racist is a fact but that dun mean he's taking advantage of the girl. It's possible but not probable, when ppl tell me so i dun doubt unless i have proof they are lying. Every alien who marry to U.S. citizen might possibly aim a green card but without proof even the USCIS can not say its a sham one. How could you have believed that my friend himself is just looking for a cheap way to sneak into this country? "black girl" is not literal English but its not racist word at all.
 
fatethe said:
How could u assumed Im the "my friend" im talking about? Thats ridiculous, man. I dun understand why there are so many judgmental peoples. When ppl post in here of course they need help instead of someone who tear them down.
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I have been around a few more years, so I know what time is it. Judging people isn't a bad thing, have you ever got a speeding ticket and lost the case? I bet you didn't have any problems with the officer who caught you, or the judge who nailed you-guilty and pay the fine. So, why are you being offended when I deduce that you are the asian dude? If you stick around this thread for a while, you will learn how we know you are the Asian guy.
 
im not being offended but the point that ppl post in here is to get advice instead of being judged. If someone got STD and go see a Doc., he is seeking for medical help not seeking for criticize. A Doc. would either let him sit and discuss his case or just say sorry he/she can not help. Anyway the person who s STD infected would not be told like " hey, dude, why you had unprotected sex? were you outta your mind,did not you know that was risky...." You aint the Doc. I aint the " my friend " but it sounds very ridiculous when ppl look for help , they receive something else.
 
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I think you are naive, but that's a different discussion. The whole premise of the legal profession is to judge people and facts. When have you ever seen a lawyer appearing on TV or in a court of law stand up, "Your Honor, my client is guilty as charged, and I am ashamed to represent him, please spare him?" Whenever you sit with a lawyer for a consultation, he has to make judgment(s) in order to determine the viability of your case. If I am representing you in a criminal case, there is a moral judgment and whether the lawyer choose to share that with your is irrelevant, 99% of lawyers opt to focus on the fact that the law profession is an adversarial system in which even the guilty have to have a representative. For example, when I went to law school, I knew that I intend to focus on white collar criminals, because I can't stomach defending a rapist.
 
Al Southner said:
I think you are naive, but that's a different discussion. The whole premise of the legal profession is to judge people and facts. When have you ever seen a lawyer appearing on TV or in a court of law stand up, "Your Honor, my client is guilty as charged, and I am ashamed to represent him, please spare him?" Whenever you sit with a lawyer for a consultation, he has to make judgment(s) in order to determine the viability of your case. If I am representing you in a criminal case, there is a moral judgment and whether the lawyer choose to share that with your is irrelevant, 99% of lawyers opt to focus on the fact that the law profession is an adversarial system in which even the guilty have to have a representative. For example, when I went to law school, I knew that I intend to focus on white collar criminals, because I can't stomach defending a rapist.
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OK, the thing is if you went to Law School you should have learned you could not judge thing you were not sure about. "If you stick around this thread for a while, you will learn how we know you are the Asian guy." are not strong enuff for you to judge.

You made 2 mistake , the 1st one is you should not have judged who is the asian guy without a strong support

the 2nd one is, he said he lied to his parents but how could you known he was playing a scheme? Dun tell me by guess work. The tone dun sound like from anyone who ever went to law school
 
Planning on living w a "black girl" should be the same as marrying one..cause they will be under the same roof and maybe the same room. If the parents were racists then they would object to this fact...unless there was the added gain of getting the GC.. heck then..some parents would agree their kids to marry anyone. Your coward friend should man up and speak to his parents straight...and if you are a good friend you should advice him as such.
Al Southner is wise... listen to him...
 
Al Southner said:
I have been around a few more years, so I know what time is it. Judging people isn't a bad thing, have you ever got a speeding ticket and lost the case? I bet you didn't have any problems with the officer who caught you, or the judge who nailed you-guilty and pay the fine. So, why are you being offended when I deduce that you are the asian dude? If you stick around this thread for a while, you will learn how we know you are the Asian guy.
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Its obvious that you are here for ever (since you had posted 2778 times in this forums). In another thread the same person became defensive for OP who had translated his writeup using google translator so it did not make sense at all. Upon asking a simple question to OP (not him), the OP realized his mistake but that ended up with Southner started preaching and again here too again he doing so. All this based on a stint in law school that he prudently displays in his signature. I think he should leave this thread and also stop preaching everywhere. I can't understand how much free time he has in this world that he can afford frequenting these fora all day and night, I had been noticing his postings in almost every thread on this forum (since last 3-4 years or maybe more, I dont recall).

I won't criticize him for everything since (to be frank) most of his postings or replies had been very helpful and there is no doubt about that he is well informed.

But he is not perfect when it comes to judging someone and he has no right to do so.
 
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mogambo1 said:
Its obvious that you are here for ever. In another thread the same person became defensive for OP who had translated his writeup using google translator so it did not make sense at all. Upon asking a simple question to OP (not him), the OP realized his mistake but that ended up with Southner started preaching and again here too again he doing so. All this based on a stint in law school that he prudently displays in his signature. I think he should leave this thread and also stop preaching everywhere. I cant understand how much time he has that he can frequent this thread all day and night, such that I can had been noticing his postings in almost every thread on this forum (since last 3-4 years or maybe more I dont recall).

I wont criticize him for everything since (to be frank) most of postings or replies had been very helpful and there is no doubt about that he is well informed.

But he is not perfect when it comes to judging someone and he has no right to do so.
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there you go. thats my point. He seems nosy about what's behind the fact instead of the fact itself. A tailor would not comment on customer 's shape. Even ppl posting here are not paying for advice but giving free advice dun grant the adviser right to judge the advice seeker.
 
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Topeka6000 said:
Planning on living w a "black girl" should be the same as marrying one..cause they will be under the same roof and maybe the same room. If the parents were racists then they would object to this fact...unless there was the added gain of getting the GC.. heck then..some parents would agree their kids to marry anyone. Your coward friend should man up and speak to his parents straight...and if you are a good friend you should advice him as such.
Al Southner is wise... listen to him...
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I d say in some azn culture, parents are narrow minded in deed. To these parents, marrying outta race equals becoming homosexual and single, Even in the states a lot parents would not allow their kid to be homosexual. I know people who's gay but married to a naive wife who undoubtedly believed her hubby is not able to perform.... just for pleasing the family. I know the wife is pathetic ....Not racism but I know a while ago, in China, even marrying to caucasian , ancient parents were picky. if the chinese son married to white woman they d probably allow but if the chinese daughter married to a white man, they would probably say no.... its about the culture .
 
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Fatethe, About your original question, I don't think anyone can tell you the answer. I myself am not sure if someone wiretapping my phone and using it against me is ridiculous or paranoia because you honestly don't know if you could be that ONE unlucky person that got hit and is being made an example out of. Having said that, I haven't seen a case of that on this forum so I am assuming it's rare.
I agree with your posts about the forum members. They should just answer your question and not pass judgements about who is racist etc. It is not relevant to the question you asked. This forum is for immigration advice not discussing how/why people are racist or stereotypes.
 
Jackolantern said:
Many so-called "African Americans" prefer to be called just "black". Including myself. I am neither African nor American, so I find "African American" to be silly.
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Jack,

I thought the term African-American was meant to denotes origin of people of color in the US. Well, it's another issue.
 
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