Oath in another 3 days got speeding ticket

[Bobsmyth]

Bob, I have not done a search, but I too recall reading several where the applicant was sent away from the Oath and forced to reschedule. The thing being it is not so much the average chance of rescheduling, it is what IF it happens to this individual.

This is just my opinion, but I would declare it before the Oath and pay it and suffer the pain. Do the crime, do the time. I think contesting a speeding ticket like this is a waste of more time. The cops usually show up for the case and the Judge usually goes along with the plan. There are almost no valid arguments to contest the Radar results these days.

In the County where I live, the cops have an average show up rate of better than 98%. Planning to contest the charge on a 2% hope the cop is not there and the case is dismissed is very frail indeed. Especially so, as the DA can ask for and get, at least one continuance.

The radar systems are so sophisticated that there is virtually no wiggle room to contest their validity. Modern radar can track 6 vehicles 3 coming, 3 going. It also actually measures and records the speed of the cop car and in 1/30th of a second you are caught. They are self calibrating and self checking.

In many cases, DAs are willing to decrease the speeding charge simply by you showing up in court and asking. If I was facing a 15 mph/over speeding ticket and had a oath the next week , I would make sure to go to my scheduled court hearing and request the charge to be lowered to 9mph over in order to avoid insurance costs and points..it's an acceptable practice and happens everyday.
Simply paying the fine just to have proof of payment in the remote case that you will be pulled aside at oath doesn't make fiscal sense to me.
You'd be better off not disclosing it all if you're so paranoid that it would cause a delay at oath..but then you'd probably be paranoid about being denaturalized down the road..a whole other topic.

 

[WhichWay2Go]

You'd be better off not disclosing it all

That's where we differ Bob. Not just because it is USCIS and the Oath, but I could not do that. I see the truth as absolute and if it comes back and stings me then I have no one to blame. Two wrongs do not make a right.

Not trying to be holier than thou, just the way I was brought up to be and have lived my life. Where does one draw the line as to when a lie is suitable or acceptable? Not declaring is lying by omission although in this case it is probably not by omission as you have to check the "No" box. A direct lie in my black and white world and the ceremony is a what, now? An Oath!

OK, my last word on this, it is for the OP to wrangle with.

 

[WBH]

Where does one draw the line as to when a lie is suitable or acceptable? Not declaring is lying by omission although in this case it is probably not by omission as you have to check the "No" box.

Are people afraid they will be caught or people just are honest when they decide to tell everything? I am only impressed if one tell USCIS something
that can significantly make USCIS deny the case and USCIS will never find
out this fact without applicant telling them.

How come no one ever come up with traffic ticket issue in other countries?
Don't temm that only people in USA have cars.

Otherwise everything is about practicality.

 

[Vorpal]

How come no one ever come up with traffic ticket issue in other countries?
Don't temm that only people in USA have cars.

Otherwise everything is about practicality.

About a year ago, there was a member on this forum who received a speeding ticket in Europe and wanted to know whether or not s/he should disclose it.

I am an advocate of practicality when it comes to this issue. Since the infamous Q16 asks "Have you EVER been cited...", I guess I should have disclosed that written warning that a crossing guard issued to me for jaywalking back in grade school.

A minor traffic ticket will NOT affect the N-400, whether positively or negatively. Failure to disclose a minor traffic ticket will NOT result in denaturalization. For the umpteenth time, I did not disclose any of my traffic tickets (all minor) on my N-400. The IO didn't ask about traffic tickets and my application was approved. At my oath ceremony, the IO specifically instructed everyone not to disclose traffic tickets on the back of the oath letter. Proceed at your own risk.

 

[WBH]

At my oath ceremony, the IO specifically instructed everyone not to disclose traffic tickets on the back of the oath letter. Proceed at your own risk.

Are you sure the IO instructed everyone not to disclose traffic ticket
before oath?

 

[Vorpal]

Are you sure the IO instructed everyone not to disclose traffic ticket
before oath?

As sure as the sky is blue.

The IO made a very big deal out of it, too. When she was explaining how to fill out the back of the oath letter, she stopped and asked for everyone's attention when she got to the question that mentions traffic tickets. The IO proceeded to say "I do not care about your traffic tickets, I only want to know about arrests". She repeated this multiple times. When we were instructed to line up to turn in our oath letters, one guy approached the table with his oath letter and a traffic ticket. The IO stopped the proceedings and said "I'm going to repeat this again. I don't care about traffic tickets. ARRESTS ONLY".

 

[WBH]

As sure as the sky is blue.

The IO made a very big deal out of it, too. When she was explaining how to fill out the back of the oath letter, she stopped and asked for everyone's attention when she got to the question that mentions traffic tickets. The IO proceeded to say "I do not care about your traffic tickets, I only want to know about arrests". She repeated this multiple times. When we were instructed to line up to turn in our oath letters, one guy approached the table with his oath letter and a traffic ticket. The IO stopped the proceedings and said "I'm going to repeat this again. I don't care about traffic tickets. ARRESTS ONLY".

Most likely she herself had just got a traffic ticket.

But there is no clear definition of "arrest", even a DUI can be only given a DUI ticket and let go (say his friend or wife could drive)
without bringing him to the police stattion for a very formal booking procedure.

 

[Vorpal]

Most likely she herself had just got a traffic ticket.

I think it's the fact that most IOs realize that traffic tickets are trivial offenses and pay no mind to them. I've seen posts on this forum where the IOs actually got mad at applicants for disclosing minor traffic tickets.

I should also mention that I called the USCIS customer service and asked the CSR how to treat minor traffic tickets on the N-400. The CSR performed a search on his system and read to me that minor traffic tickets don't need to be disclosed. I could tell that the CSR was reading back the information that was displayed on his screen and not just making it up.

As far as DUIs go, they vary from state to state. In NY, DUIs result in a mandatory arrest.

 

[WBH]

I think it's the fact that most IOs realize that traffic tickets are trivial offenses and pay no mind to them. I've seen posts on this forum where the IOs actually got mad at applicants for disclosing minor traffic tickets.

Who designed the N-445 form that specifically require traffic violation and
the new N400 form that removed "excluding traffic violation"? Was it designed
by the congress or USCIS?

 

[WBH]

As far as DUIs go, they vary from state to state. In NY, DUIs result in a mandatory arrest.

So if the arresting cop suddenly got an emergeny call from sidpatcher
when he arrest a drunk driver, he either has to let the drunk driver
go free or ignore the emergency call which is more important than a
DUI?

 

[Vorpal]

So if the arresting cop suddenly got an emergeny call from sidpatcher
when he arrest a drunk driver, he either has to let the drunk driver
go free or ignore the emergency call which is more important than a
DUI?

If a cop is in the middle of an arrest, another available officer in the vicinity of the crime would take the call.

 

[Al Southner]

I think it's the fact that most IOs realize that traffic tickets are trivial offenses and pay no mind to them. I've seen posts on this forum where the IOs actually got mad at applicants for disclosing minor traffic tickets.

I should also mention that I called the USCIS customer service and asked the CSR how to treat minor traffic tickets on the N-400. The CSR performed a search on his system and read to me that minor traffic tickets don't need to be disclosed. I could tell that the CSR was reading back the information that was displayed on his screen and not just making it up.

As far as DUIs go, they vary from state to state. In NY, DUIs result in a mandatory arrest.

I didn't know that NY arrest all DUI? I have a question, why aren't all yellow cab drivers in Manhattan in jail? I hate driving in Manhattan because of those DUI cab drivers, under the influence of a dollar..

 

[WBH]

I take it you're being sarcastic.

What about this: the OP bring his wife to the ceremony and let his wife
ask the IO in charge if unpaid traffic ticket need to be disclosed and if it matters or not. If the wife get a positive answer, then she passed the words
to the OP and OP disclosed it. If the wife get a negative answer, then
the OP won't disclose it