Yes, why wait for GC when India is rising.

[USCIS_GC_APPRO]

Watch your language, DO you have problem if some body is rich.

What India needs is more colleges and schools so that reservation doesn't reduce the pie for forward community. I come from TN and the govt there has 69% reservation. But what they did was they took 70% of the seats from private colleges and applied merit + reservation on it. So the poorer forward community ppl got in to these private colleges on govt. quota. Otherwise these would have gone to just rich FC/BC/OBC brats who are able to pay the management fees (running in to some lakhs per year).
It appears that most FC ppl love to keep the number of IITs and IIMs to the minimum (some kind of social status). I say open a large number of them and attract good faculty. Widen the pie and the problem goes away. BTW I'm FC.

It's like this, If I hate Bill Gate for because he is rich. He worked hard for it ( I do know it). If I want money like him. I need to compete with him. Govt Don't give half of his money and give it to me for free.

 

[AGC4ME]

It is so Funny that people are expecting championship with out playing and arguing ??

I didn't study in IIT/IIM so I'm probably not as genious as many ppl in this board are but what are u trying to say ? BTW Kudos to u for supporting the kids. Are u just sending money to some organization or are u personally helping them out.

If u r just sending it to some organization especially a Christian one, never worry about. It's being properly spent in converting Hindus to Christianity :-0)

Look reservation is a bane. I agree. But it's a fact of life. You can write all u want here and that's not going to do darn thing out in India. Heck it can be used by u to justify settling down in USA.

Reservation in IITs/IIMs is not going to be a free ride. The way admission is conducted in IITs and IIMs is that once u pass the JEE or CAT, you will be interviewed by a panel of Professors. You have to get past the panel to be admitted. Let me tell u even today the SC/ST quota in IITs are remaining vacant. Even professors belonging SC/ST say they are finding it hard to admit students from SC/ST. I will dig up the news article and post it if I could find it. The same will happen to OBC quota. That's why I say I'm not opposed to reservation as long as the number of seats available in the open category remains the same.

The point is IITs and IIMs are seen as gateway to USA for FCs, more specifically Brahmins. Now in the political circle, young fellows like Rahul Gandhi want to sideline the old ones. Natwar is already gone. Arjun Singh was about to terminated and in order to save himself he started this. It's an interesting play here. It's gone to Supreme Court and we'll see how it is played out.

 

[USCIS_GC_APPRO]

I didn't study in IIT/IIM so I'm probably not as genious as many ppl in this board are but what are u trying to say ? BTW Kudos to u for supporting the kids. Are u just sending money to some organization or are u personally helping them out.

If u r just sending it to some organization especially a Christian one, never worry about. It's being properly spent in converting Hindus to Christianity :-0)


I am not sending any money any organtnizations. My dad Pay the School fees and Buying books and etc...

Look reservation is a bane. I agree. But it's a fact of life. You can write all u want here and that's not going to do darn thing out in India. Heck it can be used by u to justify settling down in USA.

Probably you are right.

Reservation in IITs/IIMs is not going to be a free ride. The way admission is conducted in IITs and IIMs is that once u pass the JEE or CAT, you will be interviewed by a panel of Professors. You have to get past the panel to be admitted. Let me tell u even today the SC/ST quota in IITs are remaining vacant. Even professors belonging SC/ST say they are finding it hard to admit students from SC/ST. I will dig up the news article and post it if I could find it. The same will happen to OBC quota. That's why I say I'm not opposed to reservation as long as the number of seats available in the open category remains the same.

The point is IITs and IIMs are seen as gateway to USA for FCs, more specifically Brahmins. Now in the political circle, young fellows like Rahul Gandhi want to sideline the old ones. Natwar is already gone. Arjun Singh was about to terminated and in order to save himself he started this. It's an interesting play here. It's gone to Supreme Court and we'll see how it is played out.

Nothing will happen even supreme court do somethig. Politicians will come up with some another stupid modified plan. By the way I am not Brahmin.

 

[tusharvk]

India is ruled by the poor masses; politicians, therefore, cater to the needs of the poor people. Reservations are thus necessary so that the under-privileged get upto speed with the rest of the society.

FC do not influence the elections. How many citizens of India living abroad bother to vote in the elections?

The founding fathers decided socialist structure for the Indian economy for a reason; this remains true even today inspite of all the liberalization and reforms. The capitalist system in the US does not guarantee college education to all its citizens; one can go to a college only if they have money. the situation is similar to the scarcity of engg college seats in India.

 

[AGC4ME]

tusharvk

u really nailed the problem. If the FCs really went to the polls and voted we would have had some good leaders but voting supposedly lowered their status. Now we see the result.

BTW an interesting tidbit the Govt. has no idea of the % of OBCs, BCs etc in the Indian Population. Census figures only ask you if you are SC/ST or other. Wonder how they determined the 27%. Based on some guesstimates. This is one of the argument against the proposed reservation in the supreme court.

 

[USCIS_GC_APPRO]

Good point

u really nailed the problem. If the FCs really went to the polls and voted we would have had some good leaders but voting supposedly lowered their status. Now we see the result.

BTW an interesting tidbit the Govt. has no idea of the % of OBCs, BCs etc in the Indian Population. Census figures only ask you if you are SC/ST or other. Wonder how they determined the 27%. Based on some guesstimates. This is one of the argument against the proposed reservation in the supreme court.

 

[USCIS_GC_APPRO]

What do you mean by upto speed?

Its better Govt give the money for free to get upto speed. I wonder why politicians didn't think about it yet, they have sidlined some of them.

India is ruled by the poor masses; politicians, therefore, cater to the needs of the poor people. Reservations are thus necessary so that the under-privileged get upto speed with the rest of the society.

FC do not influence the elections. How many citizens of India living abroad bother to vote in the elections?

The founding fathers decided socialist structure for the Indian economy for a reason; this remains true even today inspite of all the liberalization and reforms. The capitalist system in the US does not guarantee college education to all its citizens; one can go to a college only if they have money. the situation is similar to the scarcity of engg college seats in India.

 

[tusharvk]

well, evidently bureaucracy works well in India; hence, giving money for free has not been implemented yet. it will not work either; what with the budgetary deficits.

Its better Govt give the money for free to get upto speed. I wonder why politicians didn't think about it yet, they have sidlined some of them.

 

[jnayar2006]

The way admission is conducted in IITs and IIMs is that once u pass the JEE or CAT, you will be interviewed by a panel of Professors.

There is no interview after JEE (at least there wasn't any until about 4 years back). And, candidates from SC/ST quotas have lower cut-off criteria in both these entrance tests. I can also aver from first hand experience that the families of a majority of SC/ST/OBCs attending both the IIMs and IITs have upper middle class wealth or more. So chances are pretty high that at least some of the institutions will have an inordinately high proportion of affluent students from "backward classes" if these reservations go through.

The point is IITs and IIMs are seen as gateway to USA for FCs, more specifically Brahmins.

Wrong again. I agree that from the IITs, there is a large group of people that leave the country - primarily because of a lack of advanced research institutions in the country. Arguably, not the greatest of things to happen, but in many ways the contribution from these folks to the society at large and our country specifically in many direct and indirect ways have more than made up for any loss otherwise. But what one should realize is that once you leave the realm of core research and move to management, what with the world becoming flatter, multi-national corporates becoming the more prominent players in the market and all, national boundaries are not that relevant any more. Many of the Indian managers manage multi-national teams and physical location is no measure of the contribution a person is making to his/her domicile. And since most of the governments that have been in power in India since the 90s have been increasingly in favor of creating an open market economy, imposing a quota system (call it reservations for the bacward classes - whatever) seems inconsistent with the rest of our economic policy.

 

[tusharvk]

well, India needs economic reforms with a difference for this same reason. are the people ready for a completely open market type society like in the US?

Even americans complain about open market policies when it hurts them (e.g. grumbling about unfair trade practices of china).

Some help is needed for the backward sections in Indian society to get them at par with the middle class; and this needs to happen fast. However, I would not place overt emphasis on caste as the sole criterion to get reservations. consideration needs to be given to caste, economic and educational background of the community before allotting them the reservation.

And since most of the governments that have been in power in India since the 90s have been increasingly in favor of creating an open market economy, imposing a quota system (call it reservations for the bacward classes - whatever) seems inconsistent with the rest of our economic policy.

 

[guldukan]

Here is an intersting story (true),

In early 2001 I was Tech lead for a team of 5 members my project manager came to me and said they wanted to outsource certain modules from out team to B'lore and we visited B'lore for 3 months to setup a team etc. when we came back he offered if I am interested to go back and work in India and he also wanted me to find out if any body is interested from my team, of course if we don't accept some of us might get laid off in comming months.

couple of guys from my team accepted the offer went back to Bangalore and I found another stable job and moved on (in process scrwed my earlier approved labour etc). I started GC alover again, here I am in a same position from past 4 years.

my friends who accepted Jobs in Bangalore brought an apartment and couple of sites in Banglore which is almost worth $200K as of today with Banglore ever increasing real estate price,

Besides all the draw backs in India (which is not new) it is an emerging market, and there is a calculated risk and one needs to balance these between the two

our problem many of us here ( in my opinion), our skill set is still in demand so it is easy to find a job here and life here is too easy and we have been pampered for several years

 

[gc_in_us]

I didn't study in IIT/IIM so I'm probably not as genious as many ppl in this board are but what are u trying to say ? BTW Kudos to u for supporting the kids. Are u just sending money to some organization or are u personally helping them out.

If u r just sending it to some organization especially a Christian one, never worry about. It's being properly spent in converting Hindus to Christianity :-0)

Look reservation is a bane. I agree. But it's a fact of life. You can write all u want here and that's not going to do darn thing out in India. Heck it can be used by u to justify settling down in USA.

Reservation in IITs/IIMs is not going to be a free ride. The way admission is conducted in IITs and IIMs is that once u pass the JEE or CAT, you will be interviewed by a panel of Professors. You have to get past the panel to be admitted. Let me tell u even today the SC/ST quota in IITs are remaining vacant. Even professors belonging SC/ST say they are finding it hard to admit students from SC/ST. I will dig up the news article and post it if I could find it. The same will happen to OBC quota. That's why I say I'm not opposed to reservation as long as the number of seats available in the open category remains the same.

The point is IITs and IIMs are seen as gateway to USA for FCs, more specifically Brahmins. Now in the political circle, young fellows like Rahul Gandhi want to sideline the old ones. Natwar is already gone. Arjun Singh was about to terminated and in order to save himself he started this. It's an interesting play here. It's gone to Supreme Court and we'll see how it is played out.

See this is what is happening here.....

There are seats vacant because there are no qualified SC/ST students available. Just because of this quota the students who really has a qualification can not get in to IIT.

Government should support the people to educate and not prevent qualified students from getting the right education

 

[bloomingdale]

don't talk rubbish about Reservation system

Hey Guys,

ill all anti reservation syst guys shut your mouths please. I am telling to the guys in Us soil. One thing i am not FC or SC . One of the best thing did our fore fathers is reservation system . Initially this was done for SC and later it is exteneded to OBCs or Economically BCs . Thre problem is with implementation. Had you done welll...You meight have totally abolished this reservation.

You see in US , they boast that they are longest femocracy. Here you donot see reservation. Equal rights are never implemented. Till 1966 they dont have equal oportunity. So ask every black..then they say how bad is this country for non white.

So donot talk foolish about the reservation system. This is the best solution invented by Gandhi and his assocoiates.
JAi Hind

 

[jamesmehta]

My story: I still love India

Guys..I think I had been through several systems (?) in India and finally gave up to this system. I went to good schools in India including IIT. I had good offers during that time, however I decided to join in a government job there. I realized that you really need to have good approach/connection with bureacrats and politicians to keep the job going. However I was not that type...so I was transferred sevaral times from one place to another.....and so many never ending other stories to talk about...... Finally I got out of the system and came here to do further research study. Two years back, I decided to go back to India if I would have got faculty position in good schools. I got very good response from IISC. Based on what they were looking for and what I had to offer them, they were very much interested and I felt like they are going to offer me the job. During that time they gave me indication that I had been Seriously considered for the appointment and had almost daily contact with them. I was providing them everything they wanted including my research and teaching plan at the institution. I was so happy and planning to pack up. Finally there came few questions: when I can start working at IISC, and guess whatate of Birth. After I told them my date of birth, they stopped communicating with me. Last January I sent a simple e-mail wishing the Department's chairman (he had been my person of contact for so long) a New year greetings. I did not even get a reply to it. Oh well. I still love India. That's where I was born and raised. May be I was an exception to become such unlucky.

 

[Billtoo]

After I told them my date of birth, they stopped communicating with me.

Ha ha .. looks like they found horror with Ur Date Of Birth...

Guys out there are corrupted in general and have great amount of Pride for nothing.

And the amount of pollutant in the air .... will make your life miserable .. even if you try to stay away from the red tape guys.

1/6 guys out there will die of AIDS and most of the rest will die early... due to Respiratory Distress.
[Do not think AIDS will not happen to U .... My wife used to work for a good hospital in Mumbai ... and they used to reuse the disposable needles]

The population pressure is making housing expensive ... but the quality of housing is sliding down.. The apartment in B'lore(India)... you find all safety codes breached ... but still people lined up to purchase..

I worked 10 years after my degree in India ... and as I worked up the ladder in my company .. I found disaster .... First few years are good as u are at the bottom and much out of that stupid politics ....

hmm to return back ... somethings to keep in mind .. but Ur situation might be differrent...

 

[maxblacks]

wats with ur date of birth ???

Guys..I think I had been through several systems (?) in India and finally gave up to this system. I went to good schools in India including IIT. I had good offers during that time, however I decided to join in a government job there. I realized that you really need to have good approach/connection with bureacrats and politicians to keep the job going. However I was not that type...so I was transferred sevaral times from one place to another.....and so many never ending other stories to talk about...... Finally I got out of the system and came here to do further research study. Two years back, I decided to go back to India if I would have got faculty position in good schools. I got very good response from IISC. Based on what they were looking for and what I had to offer them, they were very much interested and I felt like they are going to offer me the job. During that time they gave me indication that I had been Seriously considered for the appointment and had almost daily contact with them. I was providing them everything they wanted including my research and teaching plan at the institution. I was so happy and planning to pack up. Finally there came few questions: when I can start working at IISC, and guess whatate of Birth. After I told them my date of birth, they stopped communicating with me. Last January I sent a simple e-mail wishing the Department's chairman (he had been my person of contact for so long) a New year greetings. I did not even get a reply to it. Oh well. I still love India. That's where I was born and raised. May be I was an exception to become such unlucky.

 

[techy2468]

well guys no matter how shitty things are.......thats the only passport i have for now.....and thats the ultimate secure location i have.......so if all fails(us gc & aust PR)......i will prefer to go back rather than keep trying this immigration drama(my aust PR drama is also going on since 1.5 years....fate plays a big role....i lost documents in transit....and it is taking forever to replace them)..

bottom line is.....even though it stinks....it is still better than living bonded for 4-5 years....

 

[USCIS_GC_APPRO]

All this conversation is I am just worried about my country that all.

Does any body know why I am worrying about reservation when I am in US applied for Green card and eventually get Citizenship. Because that's my mother country and expecting to compete with everybody. Because lack of knowledge in Politician all they are doing is Implementing policies for votes not to improve common man life (doesn't matter what ****ing cast or religion).

So many issues to worry about( Poverty, lack of good education, Equality, Bribing )

I still love MY MOTHER LAND and help to get improved.

 

[jamesmehta]

Biltoo, I was around 35 at that time. THis was not only happening to me. It happened with my another friend (another school at India). Anyway, he however, got faculty position last year here in US.

 

[techy2468]

its true guys that we feel sorry about the state of our country of birth.....but i am not sure all of us will be able to do something to make it better(including me, why waste my time when people over there never think twice about their state of life.....they think that is how life is supposed to be....keep compromising and keep adjusting and keep living and keep producing more miserable lives...).