Why only blame USCIS for the retrogression ??

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puerthoughts

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As i see this retrogression problem, i would say that it is not just the fault of USCIS in this mess. It takes two for Tango, and thus we are also to blame in this mess. I am not a person like catdog who preys on other people's misery but i would say that we are also to blame for this unfortunate situation in some minor part. Other countries are not getting retrogressed is because they do not have population problem. The supply and demand for the resources are keeping to some balance. There is another reason as well in this mess. We Indians are much more ambitious than other countries. That makes the problem worse since we have a tendency of making progress. WE have a good family foundation and that gives Indian Youth a very sharp edge in the world. This kind of creates a strong outflow of educated skilled people towards the high paying jobs in US. Our Indian Government could have used this advantage and could have created the atmosphere where we have the chances of growing in that country and help our country become the super power. Instead they sold us out and they created the situation where an educated person with IAS Credentials in hand will be serving some guy from Bihar with 4th grade education. This gives chills to any guy who thinks about his future in India. That person travels all the way here to get some worth of his skills and he is labeled the part of the brain drain. He gets stuck in the retro because all his fellow Indians also want the similar success and same sense of some worth.

They all meet here and there on online forums and forget that who we are and what we are doing here. All of them are fighting for the green card and blaming the system in US, rather than looking at the root of the problem and if we create "enough groundwork" so the future generations will get something back home in India for their skills, they will not come here and make the retrogression worse.

As i see it retrogression will make the cycle go in reverse if it hangs on for more time. It will create a backflow of people from US to India and soon there will be very less money (i mean $$) flowing to India.

That is why i always believe that if we somehow impact the culture in India, it will make it good for everyone. But who wants to go for the long term treatment? All we want is a sure and short answer. Once my green card comes i do not give a f##k about what happens to others. Show me one person on this board that got his green card before 3 months and still helps other people in some matter. It is our mentality to get for yourself and move on. We do not care for community and community does not care for us. I hope we can change this cycle and make our community think as a whole and not as individuals.

As Ben Franklin famously said: IF WE DO NOT HANG TOGETHER, WE HANG SEPARATELY.
 
Excellent Post

Very well written Purethought. One of the very few posts to apply some rational thinking about this issue.

There is no better example to describe the root cause of retrogression which is "Over Population". The consequences are perhaps going to be even worse if this is not remediated in future.
 
puerthoughts said:
As i see ...an educated person with IAS Credentials in hand will be serving some guy from Bihar with 4th grade education. ....
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man, you're coming too hard on people from Bihar.. Take it easy. A politician with a 4th grade education can come from any state - TN, UP, Karnataka, any state.
 
IV is already working on issues related to this retrogression.......so i dont think its true that we are not hanging together...

at the same time there are not enough active members(maybe 1000 are active) compared to the backlog(atleast 80-100k from india)....
 
talli sagoo said:
man, you're coming too hard on people from Bihar.. Take it easy. A politician with a 4th grade education can come from any state - TN, UP, Karnataka, any state.
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Agreed,

I would also add that in some states all you have to do to get elected is to be a superstar in movies and people will worship you. I feel pitty sometimes.

We need some change big time !!
 
dude.....now you are talking about ignorence and illiteracy in india........how does that affect our GC process???
 
The one point that mr.puerthoughts mentioned that I always keep thinking is why people are so self-centered. He might be very true about most people do not care about this forum or others once their GC gets approved. Of course there are folks like 'unitednations' (in I140 forums) and gp111 who go out of their way to help others to resolve the problems and get the apps pproved. I hope more folks turn up like them and share their experiences as suggestions to others.
 
puerthoughts said:
As i see this retrogression problem, ........

Show me one person on this board that got his green card before 3 months and still helps other people in some matter. It is our mentality to get for yourself and move on. ...........
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I agree with the general idea of this statement, yes, most of the people do not come back to these forums once they get their GC, but there are some people who provide help to others even after getting the GC.
 
I do not understand.......after getting a GC.......how can you help some one???

all you can do is share information, and i think there are hundreds already doing that........and right now info is not a problem.......its mostly that we are stuck waiting......

so please stop this freedom struggle speech....

some one just reminded that....right now USCIS is not doing so bad........except for EB3 and EB2-india.........most everyone are almost current....

its just because of the huge demand....and usa diversity rule...
 
If you do not understand, don't bother. Helping can be done at several levels and the simplest is if some has a problem or question and you know the answer or a way out just post it. Most folks during their 'long' GC process, might have aquired considerable knowledge that can prove to useful to someone else. This is especially true if you have gone through RFEs. You could find folks like unitednations, EricS (who posted earlier in this thread) and several others responding to different posts and even offer personal help long after their GC approval. I believe the reason they do it is they might have gone through several RFE's/issues and they do not want others to go through the same and so help as much as they can.

Everybody looks into this forum to find info, get suggetions or benifit from suggestions given for other similar cases. If you know that no one responds to your questions, you wouldn't even come here. This forum would be dead.
 
Becasue I can't blame you. Just kidding :)

puerthoughts said:
As i see this retrogression problem, i would say that it is not just the fault of USCIS in this mess. It takes two for Tango, and thus we are also to blame in this mess. I am not a person like catdog who preys on other people's misery but i would say that we are also to blame for this unfortunate situation in some minor part. Other countries are not getting retrogressed is because they do not have population problem. The supply and demand for the resources are keeping to some balance. There is another reason as well in this mess. We Indians are much more ambitious than other countries. That makes the problem worse since we have a tendency of making progress. WE have a good family foundation and that gives Indian Youth a very sharp edge in the world. This kind of creates a strong outflow of educated skilled people towards the high paying jobs in US. Our Indian Government could have used this advantage and could have created the atmosphere where we have the chances of growing in that country and help our country become the super power. Instead they sold us out and they created the situation where an educated person with IAS Credentials in hand will be serving some guy from Bihar with 4th grade education. This gives chills to any guy who thinks about his future in India. That person travels all the way here to get some worth of his skills and he is labeled the part of the brain drain. He gets stuck in the retro because all his fellow Indians also want the similar success and same sense of some worth.

They all meet here and there on online forums and forget that who we are and what we are doing here. All of them are fighting for the green card and blaming the system in US, rather than looking at the root of the problem and if we create "enough groundwork" so the future generations will get something back home in India for their skills, they will not come here and make the retrogression worse.

As i see it retrogression will make the cycle go in reverse if it hangs on for more time. It will create a backflow of people from US to India and soon there will be very less money (i mean $$) flowing to India.

That is why i always believe that if we somehow impact the culture in India, it will make it good for everyone. But who wants to go for the long term treatment? All we want is a sure and short answer. Once my green card comes i do not give a f##k about what happens to others. Show me one person on this board that got his green card before 3 months and still helps other people in some matter. It is our mentality to get for yourself and move on. We do not care for community and community does not care for us. I hope we can change this cycle and make our community think as a whole and not as individuals.

As Ben Franklin famously said: IF WE DO NOT HANG TOGETHER, WE HANG SEPARATELY.
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Guys!

Aren't we looking backward and blaming India, Indians and their ballooning population, illetracy etc., while the actual problem resides with grim bottleneck exsisting at USCIS because of retrogression. Let's avoid blaming India for our misery in this matter and truth is it ain't gonna help any bit.

Their are some forums trying to generate awarness amongst our senators ( that means our future country's politicians). Go and join hands with them, so that we can get something done tangible in near future. Otherwise we can continue to bicker.
 
BECsufferer said:
Guys!

Aren't we looking backward and blaming India, Indians and their ballooning population, illetracy etc., while the actual problem resides with grim bottleneck exsisting at USCIS because of retrogression. Let's avoid blaming India for our misery in this matter and truth is it ain't gonna help any bit.

Their are some forums trying to generate awarness amongst our senators ( that means our future country's politicians). Go and join hands with them, so that we can get something done tangible in near future. Otherwise we can continue to bicker.
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I totally agree, just to add, we should not blame on things which are out of control,

eg. We really don't have choice on our country of birth, however we choose to be in this country

however we have option to sit and blame everything else or do something collectively, in that sense I really appreciate efforts of IV,

letz strengthen their hands and see if we can any difference
 
puerthoughts said:
Show me one person on this board that got his green card before 3 months and still helps other people in some matter. It is our mentality to get for yourself and move on. We do not care for community and community does not care for us. I hope we can change this cycle and make our community think as a whole and not as individuals.

As Ben Franklin famously said: IF WE DO NOT HANG TOGETHER, WE HANG SEPARATELY.
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I got my GC early 2005. But I am still around this forum and spend at least couple of hours everyday. I help whenever i can.

Just imagine what would have happened if H1b quota stayed at 165K. This retrogression would have come much earlier.

There is one more thing to blame some of our guys (Indians). We always try to be extra cautious. So, we fill 2 GC applications (just as a backup) in two different service center and this causes extra over load for USCIS..Even though this doesn't affect this retrogression directly (since extra applications doesn't consume extra visa numbers), it affected indirectly. If USCIS had less applications to process, lot of you guys would have got your GC before Retrogression.

Anyway, good luck to all of you and keep the hope alive and high....your day is not far away.....
 
i agree with you guldukan.......even though i do not have faith in legislative action favoring our cause in the next 2-3 years.....IV's efforts are still appreciable because its 100 times better than doing nothing...
 
Ever since INS now USCIS was placed under The Department of Homeland Security everything became screwed up : end of Story :rolleyes:
 
That is true. Also they have changed the definition of "Backlog" used by USCIS three times since 1998. So i think even if their "Backlog Reducing Efforts" are improving by their own reports, our lives remain in same. It is like changing the definition of poverty and then saying that now we have 20% less poor people.

How rediculous is that ??
 
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