Who Is with the Latinos March-Please Vote

[zzerous]

Not and argument, not a correction just a comment:

I don't see them as a competition, at least for myself, I'm an American citizen, but the poor people waiting every day for the mailman to bring them the good news either from local DO or from the US Consulate...when USCIS will start processing 12 millions, or only 9 millions, or only 6 millions...those poor law obeying guys will feel it not like a "competition" but like a big slap in their faces.

So the "real" concern here is not genuine, i.e., you do not oppose those illegal immigrants for all the alleged social and economic problems they bring with them and because they wave their home country flags and sign the national anthem in their own native language etc. But rather you are concerned with the implication on how it will impact the processing time for the legal immigrants.

If this is the case, then I do not think we as a nation can make a policy based solely on this. I do recognize everyone’s right to be here and work for a better life, I do recognize that the immigration system is broken and need an overhaul; here is where the problem started. Those poor people are nothing more than a symptom and the real problem rests within the immigration system and the unequal distribution of income among nations, which results in the current vast gap in the standards of living between nations which in turns lead to people to cross the boarders and risk their lives.


For now we have a problem that affects human beings; individuals, families and kids. So we ought to try and help them especially if they are willing to work with us and be part of the system. And that by itself is not enough; we must take a good look at our immigration system and economic policies. Building walls across the boarder will not work.

 

[AlexanderG]

But rather you are concerned with the implication on how it will impact the processing time for the legal immigrants.

I don't think that this is PG's main focus .. he mentioned other thoughts as well before. I understand he just wanted to share another reason why (some) legal immigrants may oppose the current development in the immirgation legizlation.

I completely agree with everything else you layed out ! Very nice line of thought. I suppose that when you say "Building walls across the boarder will not work." you mean that an actual 'wall' would not help. I believe though that there must a a border security in place that stops dangerous human trafficking and stops willing immigrants from risking their lives crossing the border.

Alex

 

[zzerous]

I don't think that this is PG's main focus .. me mentioned other thoughts as well before. I understand he just wanted to share another reason why (some) legal immigrants may oppose the current development in the immirgation legizlation.

I completely agree with everything else you layed out ! Very nice line of thought. I suppose that when you say "Building walls across the boarder will not work." you mean that an actual 'wall' would not help. I believe though that there must a a border security in place that stops dangerous human trafficking and stops willing immigrants from risking their lives crossing the border.

Alex

Thanks for the clarification. Yes indeed security checks is a must.

 

[ari4u]

So we ought to try and help them especially if they are willing to work with us and be part of the system. And that by itself is not enough; we must take a good look at our immigration system and economic policies. Building walls across the boarder will not work.

We did not help them cross the border illegally... so why help now? I agree that everyone deserves a shot at being in the land of the free and land of oppurtunity legally, not illegally. The best form of help for them is self-help. The govt should give the illegals a chance to help themselves, to legalize themselves and wait in line like the rest of us and if they can't/don't, they risk being deported and never to set foot in the US again. I am strongly in favor of strengthening border security and building walls... why? http://news.yahoo.com/photo/060430/...oPgdbq9IxIF;_ylu=X3oDMTA3bGk2OHYzBHNlYwN0bXA- Not just illegals, but terrorists could possibly be using these passages to enter US.

 

[AlexanderG]

We did not help them cross the border illegally... so why help now? I agree that everyone deserves a shot at being in the land of the free and land of oppurtunity legally, not illegally. The best form of help for them is self-help. The govt should give the illegals a chance to help themselves, to legalize themselves and wait in line like the rest of us and if they can't/don't, they risk being deported and never to set foot in the US again. I am strongly in favor of strengthening border security and building walls... why? http://news.yahoo.com/photo/060430/...oPgdbq9IxIF;_ylu=X3oDMTA3bGk2OHYzBHNlYwN0bXA- Not just illegals, but terrorists could possibly be using these passages to enter US.

You know I agree by and large with the proposals you posted. Good thoughts.

However, I think that we as a nation indeed helped willing immigrants to cross the border, simply by looking the other way when the illegal immigrations was already a well know labor supply for the US economy. There was no serious attempt to stop employers from hiring undocumented workers. Would you not agree that the United States was capable to control the issue all along ?

My reason to advocate that the border security has to be established and demonstrated is that too many humans die, trying to cross into the United States. About every day a person dies trying to make his way into this country : http://www.stopgatekeeper.org/English/index.html . It appears though for the most part that it is very easy to enter the United States, as shown in your image.

The biggest wall of all would be though, if it would be impossible or too risky for employers to hire undocumented workers ... no demand, no supply.

You say that everybody should have a a fair chance to live in the United States if done so legally. Agreed. However, in my opinion, in the past the poor did not have the same chances like the richer folks, the ones with better education. Therefore I would take that into consideration when considering if and how the current illegals could be helped or not. Obviously the new legislation will have to address this problem in order to give legal access to the low paid, low skilled jobs in the USA.

By the way, I suppose that if the Iraq war would not be going downhill, the economy struggeling, oil prices on record highs, the US-Dollar as low as ever, the administration entangled in scandals without any real domestic results of their election proposals ... then we would not be talking about illegal immigrants today, don't you think ?

Alex

 

[Suzy977]

We did not help them cross the border illegally... so why help now?

And they didn't help us when we were waiting for years, for some, many years, to obtain the legal documents to emigrate here ...they just decided to walk in the middle of the night over the border, ignoring the American laws.

 

[sam_c]

Spread the word about LEGAL immigrants

My fellow legal immigrants,

I am very disturbed that most people in the media don't seem to recognize the difference between legal and illegal immigrants. You will notice that in most newspaper/magazine articles and on TV they might say "illegal immigrant" once or twice and then for the rest of the program it's just "immigrant". For them there's no real difference. I remember a while back a TV show in which the cops are looking for someone and they are knocking on doors for info. One door is opened by a Chinese/Asian looking lady who doesn't answer their questions, so they threaten her that they'll call INS and so she helps them. And last night on "Law & Order" they threaten a Russian/East European man that they'll call immigration if he doesn't talk - he gets scared and cooperates. This is all part of, and feeds into, the belief shared by so many ignorant people - that if you look different or talk with an accent you're an illegal immigrant.

If you've come here legally you deserve respect and to be treated no different than your fellow citizens who were born here. People should know you didn't do anything illegal but in fact went to great lengths to follow the law. Please do yourself a favor and write to a couple of media websites telling them to please say "illegal" immigrant where appropriate and not mix them up with legal immigrants.

I have nothing personal against the illegal immigrants except that I don't think they should jump ahead of line at the cost of those of us who came here legally and spent many many years jumping through hoops. Otherwise it's a slap on our face - a mocking laugh at our morals.

Thank you.

Sam

 

[Suzy977]

My fellow legal immigrants,

I am very disturbed that most people in the media don't seem to recognize the difference between legal and illegal immigrants. You will notice that in most newspaper/magazine articles and on TV they might say "illegal immigrant" once or twice and then for the rest of the program it's just "immigrant". For them there's no real difference. I remember a while back a TV show in which the cops are looking for someone and they are knocking on doors for info. One door is opened by a Chinese/Asian looking lady who doesn't answer their questions, so they threaten her that they'll call INS and so she helps them. And last night on "Law & Order" they threaten a Russian/East European man that they'll call immigration if he doesn't talk - he gets scared and cooperates. This is all part of, and feeds into, the belief shared by so many ignorant people - that if you look different or talk with an accent you're an illegal immigrant.

If you've come here legally you deserve respect and to be treated no different than your fellow citizens who were born here. People should know you didn't do anything illegal but in fact went to great lengths to follow the law. Please do yourself a favor and write to a couple of media websites telling them to please say "illegal" immigrant where appropriate and not mix them up with legal immigrants.

I have nothing personal against the illegal immigrants except that I don't think they should jump ahead of line at the cost of those of us who came here legally and spent many many years jumping through hoops. Otherwise it's a slap on our face - a mocking laugh at our morals.

You are absolutely right, but some people, especially the one with a personal agenda, don't want to understand that

Thank you.

Sam

You're right about the media who manipulates people to serve special interest people.

Exactly the point of CNN Monday night: "Many people, purposely or only because they are lazy don't say illegal immigrants, they just say immigrants?"...

In fact CNN started a poll Monday night: Do the media people who call the participants to the march immigrants and who choose not to say illegal immigrants are doing it purposely to give a legitimacy to the illegals and to mislead the American people? Yes or No?
The result of the poll was 95% yes...

 

[blahblah_gc]

sam_c and the rest

I have sent an email to cnn.com and foxnews.com to make some clarafication about that. When you guys have a chance, please do so too.

 

[query11]

dude,cnn wont even give a f for ur mail's all they care about is thrilling stories which they can turn into green's

sam_c and the rest

I have sent an email to cnn.com and foxnews.com to make some clarafication about that. When you guys have a chance, please do so too.

 

[blahblah_gc]

at least I did my part.

 

[AlexanderG]

[...] And last night on "Law & Order" they threaten a Russian/East European man that they'll call immigration if he doesn't talk - he gets scared and cooperates. [...]

Please do yourself a favor and write to a couple of media websites telling them to please say "illegal" immigrant where appropriate and not mix them up with legal immigrants.

I saw 'King Kong' the other day. My fellow animal lovers in New York, call you local Zoo immediately ...

Alex

 

[sam_c]

at least I did my part.

Thanks. Yes you did and I have too. If enough of us do it, it will make a difference.


Sam

 

[sam_c]

I saw 'King Kong' the other day. My fellow animal lovers in New York, call you local Zoo immediately ...

Alex

You're a funny man Alex.
But I for one do object to being lumped into the same pool as illegal immigrants. Not that I think I'm better than them - like I said I've got nothing personal. But unlike them I followed the law and didn't steal anyone's identity to get a driver's license or open a bank account. Many of us waited many years to get our permanent residency and some people I know even went back to their home country with their US born kids because their H1 clock ran out before their GC came through. They could have chosen to stay on (out of status) and not make their kids suddenly adapt to a totally different culture, language and environment. But they chose to follow the law and I respect that greatly.

Sam

 

[lahoritamia]

Support.
Because I know how hard it is to come to USA legally. My dad had to gatter so much paper work to fullfill their requirements, and that is good they just want to know who's entering the country. In our country, one has to be wealthy or you don't even have a chance. One thing that is anoying me is that people call all Latinos , Mexicans. We come from different countries, and I don't like that americans think Mexicans are taking over this country. For the mayority of us coming to USA is not a choice, is a necesity. Many complain that we keep our roots or a little bit of our culture, but they don't not say anything when they are sitting at a restaurant eating tacos and drinking coronas, or enjoying a nice chinese, japanese buffett. How about some mediterranean food, or pupusas. On the other hand I do feel that people have to adjust to the USA lifestyle, by learning the language, culture and laws, it makes me mad that some people have been living here for twenty some years and jet everywhere they go they request a translator. As for me I'm doing my part, trying my best to improve my writting and speaking skills. I'm MEXICAN, soon to become AMERICAN CITIZEN, and I know both will make me a prouder person. It has been a long journey, but I don't mind waiting, I have waited for so long already, that a few months will not kill me or my hope to become AMERICAN CITIZEN.

lahoritamia

 

[michvin]

Support.
Because I know how hard it is to come to USA legally. My dad had to gatter so much paper work to fullfill their requirements, and that is good they just want to know who's entering the country. In our country, one has to be wealthy or you don't even have a chance. One thing that is anoying me is that people call all Latinos , Mexicans. We come from different countries, and I don't like that americans think Mexicans are taking over this country. For the mayority of us coming to USA is not a choice, is a necesity. Many complain that we keep our roots or a little bit of our culture, but they don't not say anything when they are sitting at a restaurant eating tacos and drinking coronas, or enjoying a nice chinese, japanese buffett. How about some mediterranean food, or pupusas. On the other hand I do feel that people have to adjust to the USA lifestyle, by learning the language, culture and laws, it makes me mad that some people have been living here for twenty some years and jet everywhere they go they request a translator. As for me I'm doing my part, trying my best to improve my writting and speaking skills. I'm MEXICAN, soon to become AMERICAN CITIZEN, and I know both will make me a prouder person. It has been a long journey, but I don't mind waiting, I have waited for so long already, that a few months will not kill me or my hope to become AMERICAN CITIZEN.

lahoritamia

Only the fact that coming to US is not easy doesn't make the illegal border crossing the right thing, would you agree?

 

[query11]

Sam

i am a desi sftwr guy too,you are talking law and order.listen,to this i reside in houston and once in a while i do come across weird redneck's.this was a couple of months ago.
me and my roommate we usually smoke cigs late in the night,but we make sure that no one gets disturbed(noise).our nieghbour being a redneck for some freekin reason,she had her windows open all the time.
so she initially called the apt guys complaining about this,when the apartment guys refused her saying it was our apartment and we did not do anything illegal.
she walked in to our apartment once and threatened to call dhs,and openly asked if me and my roomate were ilegals.i hate racist ppl,coz i was subjected to undue racism when i got here initially...

i strongly believe illegals dont get a fair deal in america at the same time i do not support illegal immigration or legalising them.
how can one break the law and we reward them.there is only one thing which motivates politicians for such acts.....
VOTES

being the hot head i am ,i blasted her so bad she moved in a day!

I am very disturbed that most people in the media don't seem to recognize the difference between legal and illegal immigrants. You will notice that in most newspaper/magazine articles and on TV they might say "illegal immigrant" once or twice and then for the rest of the program it's just "immigrant". For them there's no real difference. I remember a while back a TV show in which the cops are looking for someone and they are knocking on doors for info. One door is opened by a Chinese/Asian looking lady who doesn't answer their questions, so they threaten her that they'll call INS and so she helps them. And last night on "Law & Order" they threaten a Russian/East European man that they'll call immigration if he doesn't talk - he gets scared and cooperates. This is all part of, and feeds into, the belief shared by so many ignorant people - that if you look different or talk with an accent you're an illegal immigrant.

 

[lahoritamia]

Only the fact that coming to US is not easy doesn't make the illegal border crossing the right thing, would you agree?

I know that they are not doing the right thing, but when you have some much need, and you can not even afford to buy food for your family, or you have an ill family member and cannot pay for treatment, one goes to look for it. I do hope for a legalization, and I do feel that there is a lot of people out there that deserve it. It will not be easy, and for sure it will not be free. So this is going to be a good chance to identify the good ones from the bad ones, and do the appropriate with the ones that do not deserve to be here.

lahoritamia

 

[sam_c]

I know that they are not doing the right thing, but when you have some much need, and you can not even afford to buy food for your family, or you have an ill family member and cannot pay for treatment, one goes to look for it. I do hope for a legalization, and I do feel that there is a lot of people out there that deserve it. It will not be easy, and for sure it will not be free. So this is going to be a good chance to identify the good ones from the bad ones, and do the appropriate with the ones that do not deserve to be here.

lahoritamia

lahoritamia,

I know that people come over here from Mexico out of necessity, and I know that the majority are good hardworking people who are just trying to do their best for their family. No tengo nada contra ustedes.

I am not against a legalization path - but you must understand that regardless of the reasons why people do it, a law has been broken and a person needs to make ammends before s/he can be given legal status. Otherwise why should millions of other people follow immigration law? Like you said it's not at all easy and can be quite expensive to process all the paperwork. If you want more people to sympathize with your cause the first step should be to say "yes, we did something illegal but we want to make up for that and become legal". I haven't heard any Hispanic group spokesperson or lawyer acknowledge that a law was broken. They always use terms like "undocumented worker" or "without papers" - never "illegal alien". Why is that?

Sam

 

[blahblah_gc]

well said Sam_c.

When I saw those people who walked on the street, chanting, shouting and celebrating their bravery, all at sudden, I feel we are the victims here.

We were so stupid to follow the law and many of us are still stuck by the process. Those who broke the law are out there celebrating their success. In their mind, they know they will soon get legalized.

It’s so unfair. Law should not be there to protect the ones who broke it and punish the ones who follow it. If we forgive the illegal immigrants, what is the point to have visas in order to visit the country? Why do we even need to set a quota for H1B visas? People who have their visa rejected should just go to Mexico and cross the boarder.

Also, if we forgive the illegals and the majority of them are from Mexico, what about those poor ones who are living in more worse situation than those in Mexico such as Africa? They can't simply cross the boarder so should we say to them, "too bad, you should've borned in Mexico"?