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USA is worth to go or no

Princedriss

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does USA is worth to immigrate for a person who has already a stable situation in his home country ( job, car, house ) ?
 
Unless you can secure similar job in USA (at U.S. salary level), then you are probably better off staying home. Being a professional paid well enough in your own country to purchase a house and a car is better than being a minimum wage worker in USA.
 
There's too many factors involved in emigration that I think there is no one true answer. I think what matters is age, education, work experience, standard of living in your home country, possible opportunities in the US. I think there is no point in movingto the good ol' US of A if you won't gain anything. Have you ever been to America? Liked it? Didn't like it? Do you know how the healthcare system works, what social security benefits you get...or more likely don't get? Like I said it is different for all of us on this forum. People can advise you but ultimately you will have to make a decision - that is if it is possible for you to move to the US.
 
i have been in america for more than 4 years for school, i have two US diplomas, i wasnt able to get a job coz i did not have papers in the peak of the crisis (2009), i get back home , i find a work very stable with the government , the salary is average not that high and not low either, i can live decent in the middle class of my country. US ? i like it as a student , dont know how is it as immigrant. I live with my family in a big house, i am still single , and my parents can help me to get my appartement here, i live in a third world country.

I have to take the decision to leave or to stay before september, i need help !
 
Oh man, that is a very personal decision. It is difficult for us to understand your situation now and the opportunity/future you can have in your own country. Also, going to the USA is a gamble - no one knows how that is going to pay off.

For me, it is still a very hard decision. I have a wonderful, very lucky life here in the UK. I have a nice home, I can earn good money, my kid is growing up in a great country with good education, nationalised healthcare and so on. There is nothing wrong with that life, so what can the States offer?

Well for me, it is a gamble, but in general I will have a similar life there with just a little more "fun". I will choose somewhere with a good climate (better than UK), I'll be able to have some "man toys", a bigger house and so on. For my family the education is still good and I can pay for the best healthcare. The life is, on balance, slightly better in the USA than here.

Now you should compare your situation - it sounds like you have a good life but you call it a third world country. That must bring some frustrations. Do you feel safe and free there? Do you have personal freedoms there. If you start a family, how will life be as Americans as opposed to being in your country? There are so many questions...

Overall, you generally find Americans LOVE America. Can you say the same about your country?

One other important factor is what is your plan B? IF you give the USA a go but find out in 2 or 3 years it isn't what you had hoped - can you go back? What will you have lost by trying?
 
Now you should compare your situation - it sounds like you have a good life but you call it a third world country. That must bring some frustrations. Do you feel safe and free there? Do you have personal freedoms there. If you start a family, how will life be as Americans as opposed to being in your country? There are so many questions...

Overall, you generally find Americans LOVE America. Can you say the same about your country?

One other important factor is what is your plan B? IF you give the USA a go but find out in 2 or 3 years it isn't what you had hoped - can you go back? What will you have lost by trying?

My country is pretty safe, you dont have the right to hold fire arm, there is no fire arm in the country except for police man or military, so if somebody kills you it will never be by firearms but rather by knife lol, but that is good point that there is no firearm.

I live in a sunny country that have moderate weather all the year, a touristic country but still a developing country with all the problems that come with, that everybody know. As i said i live with my family in one of the best neighborhoods in the country , my work is only 15 min by car from home, i can get married with a wife with the same level as me and build slowly our life with always staying in the upper middle class. however, in the time we will have kids, the charges will be more , because the cost of education kids in the private is high. I love my country yes, but i still see it as a real third world country with all the inequalities that most of the population live, i am lucky to be in upper middle class family, both my parents are well educated.

I will lose my job if i stay out more than 2 or 3 months out of it , so i have to make decision to go or no. The good news, is that i know the US, i speak the language with the american accent, and i have a pretty work experience that i acquired here , and i am still young and single !
 
i have been in america for more than 4 years for school, i have two US diplomas, i wasnt able to get a job coz i did not have papers in the peak of the crisis (2009), i get back home , i find a work very stable with the government , the salary is average not that high and not low either, i can live decent in the middle class of my country. US ? i like it as a student , dont know how is it as immigrant. I live with my family in a big house, i am still single , and my parents can help me to get my appartement here, i live in a third world country.

I have to take the decision to leave or to stay before september, i need help !

USA today is much better than in 2009, but it hasn't fully recovered yet. Finding jobs are possible again, but it's still not easy for people without extensive experience.

I got friends who graduated U.S. universities but couldn't find any job even before the recession hit in 2008. They went to school simply to get the diploma, but they didn't spend much time learning to fit into American society, so recruiters in American companies skipped them except for the smartest graduates. The entire time they were in college they hung out only with people from their own country, so their English is so-so (just enough to graduate) and heavily accented, not to mention they lack the ability to strike a simple conversation with Americans because they aren't familiar with topics Americans find interesting. If you're like one of these guys, you're better off staying in your home country.

On the other hand you're still young. Assuming you're willing to learn to fit in and work hard, there is always a future in America. In general the quality of life here is better than in a third world country even if you get paid (relatively) less, this is because American cities are not overcrowded like most third world ones, and the quality of the environment is generally much, much better. You can easily find clean outdoor parks or recreation areas here for free or for very little fee; the same can't be said about third world cities.

When you start a family and you research the public schools carefully, you can get quality education for your children for free. American universities are still the best in the world on average, and they are far more affordable when you pay in-state tuition.

However, a government job in a third world country is about as secure a job as you can find. You're not likely to lose your job unless you do something downright criminal, and you're guaranteed a pension. If you leave this job, it's very unlikely that you'll be able to get it back if your American adventure doesn't pay off. Since age discrimination is not illegal in most third world countries, the years you spend trying stuff out in America will make you age out of many jobs in your country.

So, everything depends on how likely you are to find a decent job in USA. Go to job sites like monster.com and the like and see how many jobs match your education and experience. If it doesn't look good and you don't think you're competitive, then staying home is a good idea.
 
Very nice intervention hexa, actually as i said, i really got a good american accent and pretty much open about all topics that Americans care about. Well back in 2009, i did find a job but i hasnt papers, i was really active , i was searching a lot, but when i get back here, i start to become lazy , since food always ready by home and a lot of tasks are done by the family, work is slow and bureaucrat , i start loosing some stuff that i earn when i was in the US, i really need time to return how i was, but i really have the confidence that i can , and i have hidden capabilities for that, but it is all depend how can i find a job decent for my skills !
 
i have also been mulling over this but i see great points raised. there is also support system back home which is crucial when starting out life in a new country and lack of it may lead someone to depression or thoughts of going back home. so spend as much time as you can with your extended family coz when you go to the states, you shall miss them terribly. but if you get a good job or start a great business, you can always visit regularly.
 
Don't worry about the accent. As long as your English is easy to understand and super fluent you will be OK. What is more important is your eduction and experience. My wife is an accountant and I'm an aerospace engineer so job wise we should be pretty OK. We both have work experience from the UK and I also worked in the US and last time we have been looking at jobs in America few companies were interested in interviewing us...assuming that we will get work permit/visa. Also I can transfer probably within my company. Your case is different. You have a degree from US but worked only in your home country. I'm guessing English isn't your country's official language? Also is your job in high demand around the world?
No disrespect but a lot of people in America do not regard government jobs high. "They want small government and they want it out of their lives". Unless it's war time- then everyone is for it :/ What is good about your situation is that you are young, have no kids or wife. That makes it easy. If I were you I would go for it. If you don't try you might regret it. That's why happend to my uncle. He could have stayed in America but decided to come back. Now he always says: "What if I have stayed?????"
 
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One can always count on pressure groups, if someone lives in a third world country and let's say, brings a girlfriend from a rich country parents can apply different types of pressure to make her go back
People who surround the applicant for DV visa at work, neighbors etc. may envy or dislike, even give a hard time to the applicant
Parents of applicant for DV visa can give hard time, only if one is using their arguments as an excuse
One has to make a realistic plan.
 
Personally I think the USA is absolutely grand and awesome.

From what I have seen with people who have emigrated there either through DV or otherwise, the main problem has been earning capacity or income generation.

Some DV winners I know from Tanzania personally have gone there 10 years ago and still struggle to make ends meet or just scrape through the month so to speak whereas some have done very well.

Job wise it all depends on the field one is in. My younger brother graduated from Penn State and NYU and wasn't able to get a job (despite having lots of offers as he's in the finance field) because he was on a student visa but now that his Green Card came through he's constantly receiving offers.

From what I've read, finance (accounting/CPA, corporate finance/investment banking, financial analysts etc.), IT (specialist areas or consultancy as britsimon would agree with me I presume!), medicine, law, engineering, nursing are probably the best job prospects in the USA in terms of pay.

Alternatively if one has capital, then one can have a steady business generating a consistent income with controlled overheads.

I suppose it all depends on personal circumstances for every person...


For me personally I'm done with Tanzania and the rubbish we have to face here in terms of harassment, bribes, being taxed for stupid things (there's now a 14.5% excise duty on internet usage!), total lack of security (I had a gun to my head in December by armed robbers right outside my home) and every day there is at least one armed robbery somewhere in the city.

We work so bloody hard here to earn money and end up losing most of it as we have to buy our way out of problems. The labour laws in this country are pathetic (third world country with first world labour laws). Workers have no respect for authority and lack discipline or want to steal from their employers. To tackle this we have to bring in expatriates from India and when the government saw an influx of expatriates replacing local workers (for the above reasons) they slammed companies here with a condition that no expatriates are allowed to be employed if their salary is under $5,000 so again it led to bribery to obtain permits.

On the education front, most people here go to local schools unless if people have money they can afford the international schools and the fee is approximately $30,000 per student per year for the best international school here which is obscene. An equal quality of education (or perhaps better!) can be offered to kids in good schools/school districts in the USA, plus all the sports facilities and amenities students have access to.

On the monetary front, Tanzania is a very class-based society i.e. everyone is more concerned with what car someone drives, or how many buildings someone has or how much money someone has etc. Generally people here are only nice to each other because of money and get a kick out of financial recognition. Someone last week said to me "why are you going to America when you nobody will give you any recognition there like you get in Tanzania?" to which I said "recognition because of money doesn't put food on my table for my family but hard work does and if I have to work a little harder in America to put food on my table then so be it, at least I'll be regarded as a common person instead of people being nice to me because of money."

What I like about the USA is that it is an equal minded society i.e. everyone is equal and nobody cares what someone else has and everyone gets by in their own way and everyone minds their own business.

On the law front, Tanzania is a lawless society. Nobody knows anything about traffic laws because the drivers licenses are all obtained through bribes or without proper certified driving schools. Lawyers can switch sides anytime for the right price, title deeds can be changed for the right price, squatters can enter your land and you can't evict them because the law doesn't protect landowners. People walk around the city with wheel clamps pretending to be city council officials and clamp your car if you park it just to get money out of you. Petty criminals are all over the city and now armed robberies are a common occurrence. Its no secret that corruption here is rife to the point that there is no form of control in any way.

The USA is a society of laws set down through the centuries from its independence; you speed you get a ticket, you run a red light you get a fine, you murder someone you get the death sentence or life in prison, you rob someone you go to prison, you get caught for tax evasion you go to prison, you threaten the nation the FBI/CIA/NSA/Homeland Security et al. will nail you. The law protects the people there and is a functioning law. Whatever criticism people have of the USA, nobody can deny that the USA is a society of laws that protects the people and the laws are enforced to ensure that people obey those laws.

Real estate in the USA is far cheaper for the average person. $250,000 will get one a lovely three bedroom house in suburbia in the USA and $250,000 can buy absolutely bugger all in Tanzania and you'd be lucky to get a decent three bedroom apartment for that much and only limited people can afford to buy a proper home. There is real estate for people of all income levels in the USA from the crubby ghetto homes to the middle class suburbia homes to the high end mansions for the rich i.e. there is a choice and value for money.

Medical care in Tanzania is just garbage. The hospitals lack facilities or are in disarray or there are no proper doctors and nurses are too fat and lazy to move around quickly. Those who can afford it fly their loved ones abroad to the UK or India for medical treatment. One security there is about the USA is proper medical care with decent insurance.

I could go on and one, but lets put it this way. I'd rather be able to drive a good car in the USA and enjoy driving (as opposed to rotting in traffic in Tanzania) and have a nice big home, amenities, places to go, things to do, safety, education for my kids and not have to worry about going out at night and coming home looking through my mirror to see if robbers are following me. If it means having to work hard for a normal decent life in the USA I'm good with it and would do it.

Personally I think minorities such as myself have overstayed our welcome in Africa even if there is potential/opportunities on this continent and even if Africa is the next frontier. Those opportunities will be in favour of the locals and foreign companies to "harvest" the natural resources this continent has (China is robbing Africa dry!).

Now many Asian/Indian kids don't want to return to Africa once they complete their education abroad (my brother was hell bent on not coming back because he knew his level of education wasn't worth anything here) and with my brother already in the USA and me hopefully making it there in a few weeks, and someday taking our parents there and leaving Africa permanently, I'd say our days in Africa will soon be over. If we leave anything here it'll probably just be our business interests and investments to keep providing us with a side income in the USA.

What I see now is reverse migration or reverse emigration. My great grandfather came from India to Tanzania in the 1880s under the British colonial authorities to build the railroads and then stayed on to start a life here (read the book called "We Came In Dhows" which tells of how Indians came to Africa and settled here and the trials and tribulations they faced) and it continued to my generation.

My grandfather once told my father in 1974 that "someday you will all have to leave Africa not because you want to but because you'll have to and because it'll become so difficult if not impossible for you to live there. Circumstances and the vast ocean and waves of the African people will squeeze and force you out of Africa as the big fish always swallows the smaller fish."

I once got told by a racist (yes racist) customs officer at the airport "you're only a guest in this country and you're only living here because we're letting you live here" and in anger I said "well do us all a favour and do what Idi Amin did and throw us out because Asians/Indians have a work ethic and can prosper anywhere."


To me the USA is the culmination of 10 years of a dream waiting to be realised that one day I'd finally have the chance to live there and take my family there and for the next generation to start there as Americans and as free people in a society that will accept them no matter what background they're from or what skin colour they have.



Case No - DV2013AF0007XXXX (applied the first time and got it the first time - lucky me!)
Entry Checked - 1st May 2012
Forms Sent To KCC - 10th May 2012
Received By KCC - 12th May 2012
Confirmation From KCC - 25th May 2012 after I sent them an email
2nd NL - 14th June 2013
Police Clearance (TZ) - 13th June 2013
Police Clearance (UK) - 21st June 2013
Medicals - Completed 24th June 2013
I-134 - 16th July 2013
Bank Statements - 22nd July 2013
Interview - Wednesday, August 7th 2013 @ 8am - US Embassy Tanzania
Visa Pick up - Hopefully August 11th 2013
Departure Date - August 17th 2013
Port of Entry - Washington Dulles
 
Great post Momo. I'm sure your move is the right choice and you will get exactly what you have been dreaming about....
 
Great post Momo. I'm sure your move is the right choice and you will get exactly what you have been dreaming about....

Thanks Simon :)

Hopefully everything will go through smoothly at the interview in two weeks time. I have to admit I'm feeling the nerves kicking in now!

You alright otherwise mate?


Case No - DV2013AF0007XXXX (applied the first time and got it the first time - lucky me!)
Entry Checked - 1st May 2012
Forms Sent To KCC - 10th May 2012
Received By KCC - 12th May 2012
Confirmation From KCC - 25th May 2012 after I sent them an email
2nd NL - 14th June 2013
Police Clearance (TZ) - 13th June 2013
Police Clearance (UK) - 21st June 2013
Medicals - Completed 24th June 2013
I-134 - 16th July 2013
Bank Statements - 22nd July 2013
Interview - Wednesday, August 7th 2013 @ 8am - US Embassy Tanzania
Visa Pick up - Hopefully August 11th 2013
Departure Date - August 17th 2013
Port of Entry - Washington Dulles
 
Thanks Simon :)

Hopefully everything will go through smoothly at the interview in two weeks time. I have to admit I'm feeling the nerves kicking in now!

You alright otherwise mate?


Case No - DV2013AF0007XXXX (applied the first time and got it the first time - lucky me!)
Entry Checked - 1st May 2012
Forms Sent To KCC - 10th May 2012
Received By KCC - 12th May 2012
Confirmation From KCC - 25th May 2012 after I sent them an email
2nd NL - 14th June 2013
Police Clearance (TZ) - 13th June 2013
Police Clearance (UK) - 21st June 2013
Medicals - Completed 24th June 2013
I-134 - 16th July 2013
Bank Statements - 22nd July 2013
Interview - Wednesday, August 7th 2013 @ 8am - US Embassy Tanzania
Visa Pick up - Hopefully August 11th 2013
Departure Date - August 17th 2013
Port of Entry - Washington Dulles

Yep all good here. I'll be away on August 7th so best of luck for that - not that you need luck - you have created your own...
 
Ah, how can I forget the rampant corruption, crime, and general lawlessness. Public education is in poor shape while private schools cost a fortune even by western standard. An hour commute in bumper-to-bumper traffic each way is normal. Naked consumerism and wild capitalism rule, despite very socialistic government laws and policies. People who see you as what you have rather than what you are.

For me it's a no brainer because I spent the last decade and more here in USA. They say you can never go home, which is true because 'home' as I remember it is no more. I still like the little things (like food I grew up with) for sentimental reasons, but it's tough not to feel that America is home for me now.
 
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For me it's a no brainer because I spent the last decade and more here in USA. They say you can never go home, which is true because 'home' as I remember it is no more. I still like the little things (like food I grew up with) for sentimental reasons, but it's tough not to feel that America is home for me now.
 
I need to tell u, that when i get back to my home country for good in 2009, i felt sick , sick my mind because i quite USA, really i became sick thinking how huge the difference.

And today i am afraid to go ???? what is happening to mee ?
 
I need to tell u, that when i get back to my home country for good in 2009, i felt sick , sick my mind because i quite USA, really i became sick thinking how huge the difference.

And today i am afraid to go ???? what is happening to mee ?

As you get older and more "comfortable" you are less prepared to take risks. Simples. It is why most people make their money in the 30's and 40's - although many multi millionaires are risk taking people in their 50's and 60's. The abilty/drive to accept risk is what makes some prosper more than others...
 
As you get older and more "comfortable" you are less prepared to take risks. Simples. It is why most people make their money in the 30's and 40's - although many multi millionaires are risk taking people in their 50's and 60's. The abilty/drive to accept risk is what makes some prosper more than others...

Totally right britsimon, I think i am gonna take the risk and go for it, i will fight for my opportunity in the land of opportunities, i will wake up and work hard, after all, my right will not be lost because i will be in the land of laws and equalities , the USA.
 
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