To Mr. Bentlebee.......

[cruiserbox]

Hello, dear members of dis forum pls help me to understand dis lottory program and i title mr bentlebee bcos he know's alot of dis forum

i) pls my problem's is dat i was refuse a visa bcos de consuler said i don't have S H S deploma cert. but i was having equipvalet cert like Electrical Engineering Technician cert and having 3 yrs of work experince. my own understanding meanig i was qualify under occopation.

ii) a freind of mine have a S H S deploma and in level one hundred, at university in my country. after he completed his intervew de consuler congatrolte him, and gave him a visa collecting takek to come for his visa in 5 days time, he went n he was told dat de visa is not yet ready so they will call him when a visa is ready, n is about 4 n half mouths now no call...

iii) A freid of mine also had a call to come for his visa on october 4th, when he went he was told dat they are sorry they could'nt finish there undergrond check b4 september 30th, so they can;t give him a visa so he should try another lottery.

iv) But i know some people who get there visa's less dan one mounth after there intervew but some too more than four mouths, n peoples are still geting visa's dis mouth.

v) i hope there is a kololo in dis dv lottery if not why some one have working experince n qualify cert. n they refuse him.

some one also had his visa with same cert.

vi) Bentelbee pls do answer me, am from GHANA bcos we do not nderstand why de emberssy is refusing us our visa while some are geting it after we qualify every requiment and paying them the visa fee, to me i thing is a chiting....


Thank you all.............

 

[ak27]

Okay, this is going to be a little long winded, but I'll try to explain as much as I can.

i) pls my problem's is dat i was refuse a visa bcos de consuler said i don't have S H S deploma cert. but i was having equipvalet cert like Electrical Engineering Technician cert and having 3 yrs of work experince. my own understanding meanig i was qualify under occopation.

If the education you have doesn't allow you to progress to university then it doesn't count for the lottery purpose unfortunately. Does your current education allow you to progress to university? As for the occupation requirement, my understanding is only certain skilled occupations qualify for the lottery. I can't remember off the top of my head which ones qualify, but the instructions do mention what ones are acceptable. I'm not sure what occupation you were claiming under for the lottery, but I'm guessing it mustn't have met this requirement.

A freid of mine also had a call to come for his visa on october 4th, when he went he was told dat they are sorry they could'nt finish there undergrond check b4 september 30th, so they can;t give him a visa so he should try another lottery.

I know this seems harsh, but the rules do say that if the visa process hasn't been completed by 23:59:59 on September 30th then the visa won't be issued. Just starting the process by then isn't good enough, everything has to be completed by then. Harsh I agree, but that is one of the rules of the lottery.

ii) a freind of mine have a S H S deploma and in level one hundred, at university in my country. after he completed his intervew de consuler congatrolte him, and gave him a visa collecting takek to come for his visa in 5 days time, he went n he was told dat de visa is not yet ready so they will call him when a visa is ready, n is about 4 n half mouths now no call...

Maybe he should contact the embassy and see what the story is. His visa could be sorted out by now, who knows?

am from GHANA bcos we do not nderstand why de emberssy is refusing us our visa while some are geting it after we qualify every requiment and paying them the visa fee, to me i thing is a chiting....

If you entered the lottery and got refused a visa, I'd guess it's probably for one of the following reasons:
1. You didn't meet the requirements of the lottery itself.
2. You are inadmissible to the US under immigration law ( eg a criminal record can make you inadmissible to the US.)
3. Fraudulent documents were submitted so you could obtain the visa.
4. You ran past the September 30th deadline.

If you got refused for not meeting the lottery requirements, US immigration law or submitting fraudulent documents to support your visa application for example, the embassy hasn't cheated you out of anything.

Cruiserbox, this isn't a swipe at you personally, but, West Africa has been known for high levels of fraud (419 scams and the like). I'm guessing people from your part of the world take longer to get processed because of this problem and chances are some of them are getting the process delayed past the September 30th deadline. Also, if someone does submit a fraudulent document, they'll obviously be denied the visa straight up because of this. And if your caught doing this, I'd guess your chances of getting a visa for the US in future are pretty slim.

If you are thinking of entering again this year, take a read of the instructions again and make sure you qualify for the lottery. If you're unsure of something ask here and someone may know the answer.

 

[bentlebee]

Hello, dear members of dis forum pls help me to understand dis lottory program and i title mr bentlebee bcos he know's alot of dis forum

i) pls my problem's is dat i was refuse a visa bcos de consuler said i don't have S H S deploma cert. but i was having equipvalet cert like Electrical Engineering Technician cert and having 3 yrs of work experince. my own understanding meanig i was qualify under occopation.

ii) a freind of mine have a S H S deploma and in level one hundred, at university in my country. after he completed his intervew de consuler congatrolte him, and gave him a visa collecting takek to come for his visa in 5 days time, he went n he was told dat de visa is not yet ready so they will call him when a visa is ready, n is about 4 n half mouths now no call...

iii) A freid of mine also had a call to come for his visa on october 4th, when he went he was told dat they are sorry they could'nt finish there undergrond check b4 september 30th, so they can;t give him a visa so he should try another lottery.

iv) But i know some people who get there visa's less dan one mounth after there intervew but some too more than four mouths, n peoples are still geting visa's dis mouth.

v) i hope there is a kololo in dis dv lottery if not why some one have working experince n qualify cert. n they refuse him.

some one also had his visa with same cert.

vi) Bentelbee pls do answer me, am from GHANA bcos we do not nderstand why de emberssy is refusing us our visa while some are geting it after we qualify every requiment and paying them the visa fee, to me i thing is a chiting....


Thank you all.............

Hi.

I think you mentioned your issues before and I'm sorry that you were denied but the USCIS has the right to refuse if they think some one can become a liability.
From threads and post before I understand that you don't have a HS diploma but were qualified under the job requirement (I didn't look up your job) but in the USA you need to obtain a license to be able to perform your job. Before you have stated that your English isn't very well and although I was almost able to read it all (and I'm a foreigner too and make plenty of mistakes in English) the USCIS is probably expecting that you won't be able to pass your exam to get the license. Without the license you won't be able to work your job and with the high unemployment rate the USCIS might look more strictly who can and who will have a hard time to work in the USA and become a liability to society.

If I were you I would go back to obtain a HS diploma and part of that will be more English practice, so it will be a win win situation for you. You can even do an evening HS course so you can work during the day and still make some money....IMO that will be your best chance or take some English courses....

I have heard from people who had their interview that speaking English is half way of passing the interview...if all the papers of proof are there, that will be the other half. Many people don't have all their papers as required and/or maybe some things in their background they rather forget or forgot but USCIS found out about it and that will make them ineligible....

It isn't so that if you have the job requirement you automatically will be granted the green card....it is about everything and being able to make money to support your self and in case more people travel with you, to support all of them.

Many people think that entering is getting the GC and forget how much it can cost and if you are denied, you won't get a dime back!

Good Luck and keep me updated....

In case you need I know a couple of very good lawyers but they cost money and it doesn't make sense to pay them if your chances are slim to none.

 

[NuvF]

I agree with ak47!

It seems those of you from that area of the world, at least 50%(~3k from each country) from the originally eligible get the visas at the end.
at $775 per head, its about $2.4 million as visa fees!!

Now, it is a statistical possibility that 85-90% of the originally eligible may have applied and so 35-40% got rejected, i.e about 2500 ppl and visa fees of ~1.5 to 2 million $ just gone to Uncle Sam from the country's foreign reserves. That is lot of money!!

Now, are all those 2500 ppl crooks? or all those 3000 ppl good? certainly not, statistically its always a mix due to the reputation of that part of the world.(or in any part for that matter)

I think the US embassies there (do they care?) have a moral obligation to address this problem together with host govts, so that especially the 'vulnerable' could be saved from loosing their hard earned money.

Vulnerable I mean those who do not have much access to information and those who think that this is something the US govt give them on a platter! There should be more detailed 'country specific' information that KCC/DoS give out to people, together with more on site advisory services and may be pre screening of documents/qualifications for some low fee. (of course with no obligations attached to the final visa interview outcome)

But again the bottom line is DoS is only aiming at an overall 50% success rate 'cos they have only so much DV s to give.

But as I said its just a moral obligation. But to expect that from them at a part of a world so rampant with fraud...thats another matter!

I think an NGO or an INGO could help too, its lot of money to waste!
I truly believe more than any govt (US or otherwise) those of you who are now in US from DV program, should band together and should help your fellow countrymen.

Just my 2c!

 

[ak27]

Vulnerable I mean those who do not have much access to information and those who think that this is something the US govt give them on a platter! There should be more detailed 'country specific' information that KCC/DoS give out to people, together with more on site advisory services and may be pre screening of documents/qualifications for some low fee. (of course with no obligations attached to the final visa interview outcome)

I agree, I think some people expect to be able to show up at the interview with the $775 and to be literally handed the visa, without fully understanding the requirements of the DV lottery. When they get rejected, they're upset and confused as to why it happened.

I don't know if you can do this or not Cruiserbox, but I wonder if it's possible to obtain the licenses for your occupation from outside the US. That way if you got selected again, you'd probably get the GC next time around. If not take on board what Bentlebee said about the high school diploma and English classes.

 

[masematn]

i hope there is a kololo in dis dv lottery

I do not think there is any kololo, in dis lottery, or even in dat lottery...

 

[bentlebee]

I agree, I think some people expect to be able to show up at the interview with the $775 and to be literally handed the visa, without fully understanding the requirements of the DV lottery. When they get rejected, they're upset and confused as to why it happened.

I don't know if you can do this or not Cruiserbox, but I wonder if it's possible to obtain the licenses for your occupation from outside the US. That way if you got selected again, you'd probably get the GC next time around. If not take on board what Bentlebee said about the high school diploma and English classes.

You have to have a SSN first to be able to obtain the license and I don't think this kind of license can be taken by the computer or by some one else do it for you....if you later on get in trouble with a client or your employer you set your self up for a law suit...so that isn't the best thing.
I know you meant to help

 

[bentlebee]

I agree with ak47!

It seems those of you from that area of the world, at least 50%(~3k from each country) from the originally eligible get the visas at the end.
at $775 per head, its about $2.4 million as visa fees!!

Now, it is a statistical possibility that 85-90% of the originally eligible may have applied and so 35-40% got rejected, i.e about 2500 ppl and visa fees of ~1.5 to 2 million $ just gone to Uncle Sam from the country's foreign reserves. That is lot of money!!

Now, are all those 2500 ppl crooks? or all those 3000 ppl good? certainly not, statistically its always a mix due to the reputation of that part of the world.(or in any part for that matter)

I think the US embassies there (do they care?) have a moral obligation to address this problem together with host govts, so that especially the 'vulnerable' could be saved from loosing their hard earned money.

Vulnerable I mean those who do not have much access to information and those who think that this is something the US govt give them on a platter! There should be more detailed 'country specific' information that KCC/DoS give out to people, together with more on site advisory services and may be pre screening of documents/qualifications for some low fee. (of course with no obligations attached to the final visa interview outcome)

But again the bottom line is DoS is only aiming at an overall 50% success rate 'cos they have only so much DV s to give.

But as I said its just a moral obligation. But to expect that from them at a part of a world so rampant with fraud...thats another matter!

I think an NGO or an INGO could help too, its lot of money to waste!
I truly believe more than any govt (US or otherwise) those of you who are now in US from DV program, should band together and should help your fellow countrymen.

Just my 2c!

To be honest....when I heard years ago abou the DV lottery I thought you would win a GC and never thought you had to pay for it....I always knew you were not allowed to enter the US if you were convicted of something, so I thought that would be one of the things not to be eligible and later on found out about the HS, fees, etc...

That is why I put up the thread about "things to know before you enter", partly since it will make the chances higher for the ones who can afford the fees and are eligible and also for others not have hot air dreams that can't be realized if they aren't eligible.

The US government isn't going to spell it out more, since this lottery is a high profit making lottery....Many aren't eligible and only realize after having paid...

The government does make it clear that a GC isn't garanteed specially after the deadline is reached or the 50,000 + 5,000 is reached.

Still every where in life people pay money for scam's or things they never thought out...this is just one of them and on this one there are companies who sign up people for the lottery who make money and bad lawyers who take advantage.....the good lawyers are really there to help in need, but otherwise people can do it on their own.

Since there are countries with many fake documents, like Nigeria (which we can see overhere on a regular base on Dateline on ID....internet scam's, Id theft, missionairy emails to get money, etc..) the embassy has the hard job to found out who is for real and who isn't so the chances are slim for a person from a Country like that to succeed in the GC lottery, but there are other countries as well with the same issues.

How many times do we read that people don't know their full names or parents name or city of birth....to me that is very weird and strange and I guess to an embassy as well and must be a red flag...specially coming from a Country in Western Europe where things like that aren't possible and school levels are pretty high. So not only with the personal papers they have to check really well, but on top they have to figure out if the school papers are for real and than if the person is really the person and not a criminal...and we all know criminals have the money to pay for almost anything....all 9/11 terrorist were here legally....maybe some have played the DV lottery as well....

 

[geraldest]

Is this a lottery or is an avenue created for the us government to make money from the poor because i understand this is meant for them? i am saying this because i met about about four hundred peoples on the 1st October 2009 at the US embassy Accra whom after interviews were only told they are placed under further review and they shall be call when they finish with their review, that processing never finish before the deadline and it was after the deadline before they started calling people for their documents with a letter that their administrative processing did not finish before the deadline.I have paid fees including processing fees, is the embassy not mandated to process my case before the deadline or they choses to do whatever they like after they see that you paid them and that the law can not touch them God save us. i saw peoples with authentic documents but they were refused in the name of administration processing which never finished.Any way i have been called to came to the embassy on the 15th October i don,t know what for may be for my documents .

 

[masematn]

I have paid fees including processing fees, is the embassy not mandated to process my case before the deadline

Paying a fee does not guarantee a visa. And you knew in advance that these fees are not refundable. Every dollar spent is your own risk.

 

[gasper2000]

To be honest....when I heard years ago abou the DV lottery I thought you would win a GC and never thought you had to pay for it....I always knew you were not allowed to enter the US if you were convicted of something, so I thought that would be one of the things not to be eligible and later on found out about the HS, fees, etc...

That is why I put up the thread about "things to know before you enter", partly since it will make the chances higher for the ones who can afford the fees and are eligible and also for others not have hot air dreams that can't be realized if they aren't eligible.

The US government isn't going to spell it out more, since this lottery is a high profit making lottery....Many aren't eligible and only realize after having paid...

The government does make it clear that a GC isn't garanteed specially after the deadline is reached or the 50,000 + 5,000 is reached.

Still every where in life people pay money for scam's or things they never thought out...this is just one of them and on this one there are companies who sign up people for the lottery who make money and bad lawyers who take advantage.....the good lawyers are really there to help in need, but otherwise people can do it on their own.

Since there are countries with many fake documents, like Nigeria (which we can see overhere on a regular base on Dateline on ID....internet scam's, Id theft, missionairy emails to get money, etc..) the embassy has the hard job to found out who is for real and who isn't so the chances are slim for a person from a Country like that to succeed in the GC lottery, but there are other countries as well with the same issues.

How many times do we read that people don't know their full names or parents name or city of birth....to me that is very weird and strange and I guess to an embassy as well and must be a red flag...specially coming from a Country in Western Europe where things like that aren't possible and school levels are pretty high. So not only with the personal papers they have to check really well, but on top they have to figure out if the school papers are for real and than if the person is really the person and not a criminal...and we all know criminals have the money to pay for almost anything....all 9/11 terrorist were here legally....maybe some have played the DV lottery as well....

Bentlebee, you talk too much and seem to know too much.What makes you feel that fake documents and scam et al are exclusive to Nigeria? You have no right to speak ill or dent the image of any country?By the way which country are you from that is so perfect? I personally use to enjoy your views and look up to your contributions.But this time around you fouled out and need to be told.

 

[ak27]

Bentlebee, you know your problem you talk too much and seem to know too much.What makes you feel that fake documents and scam et al are exclusive to Nigeria? You have no right to speak ill or dent the image of any country?By the way which country are you from that is so perfect?

Gasper relax, I don't think he meant all Nigerians submit fake documents and the likes. Scams aren't exclusive to Nigeria or West Africa for that matter. They exist everywhere. Unfortunately, Nigeria just has a bad rep for this kind of thing at the moment (most, but not all, of the 419 e-mails I've seen come from that area of the world) which is why the US embassy there may be extra cautious when they receive documents from that area.

It's probably the same deal for parts of the world which are seen (in the eys of the US) to support terrorism.

 

[cruiserbox]

Is this a lottery or is an avenue created for the us government to make money from the poor because i understand this is meant for them? i am saying this because i met about about four hundred peoples on the 1st October 2009 at the US embassy Accra whom after interviews were only told they are placed under further review and they shall be call when they finish with their review, that processing never finish before the deadline and it was after the deadline before they started calling people for their documents with a letter that their administrative processing did not finish before the deadline.I have paid fees including processing fees, is the embassy not mandated to process my case before the deadline or they choses to do whatever they like after they see that you paid them and that the law can not touch them God save us. i saw peoples with authentic documents but they were refused in the name of administration processing which never finished.Any way i have been called to came to the embassy on the 15th October i don,t know what for may be for my documents .

Brother, pls duble ur prayers if u know how to pray, bcos alot of freinds has refuse de visa.

but de main qeution is dat if de embassy know dat they can finish procesion or undergrowns check why did collect their money?? meinig some kololoo is there.
anyway God's know best $775 times 4 hundred.....

infact us embassy is cheating us......

 

[ak27]

Brother, pls duble ur prayers if u know how to pray, bcos alot of freinds has refuse de visa.

but de main qeution is dat if de embassy know dat they can finish procesion or undergrowns check why did collect their money?? meinig some kololoo is there.
anyway God's know best $775 times 4 hundred.....

infact us embassy is cheating us......

How are they cheating you? You knew the money is non-refundable before you went for the interview. They don't guarantee anywhere that they'll complete everyone's application on time or before all the visas have been allocated.

 

[bentlebee]

I never meant all Nigerians, but there have been many scam's reported coming from Nigeria...(Graigslist responses to wire money to Western Union....if you want to buy a dog breed and respond to an online add, it mostly comes from Nigeria, Dateline had a couple of program's about scam's traced back to Nigeria and mailboxes in Amsterdam were used as well by Nigerians), so the USCIS/embassy will maybe have a closer look at certain areas famous for fake papers, which is sad for the honest people coming from that area, but the USCIS has to make sure that the least amount of dishonest people will receive a GC.

If you are honest done feel offended since I only wrote about dishonest people.

I agree with AK27...it isn't cheating since the DV lottery is clearly stating that the deadline to receive a GC is Sept. 30th or the 50,000 +5,000 GC so even before Sept. 30th you can loose out...it is up to every single person to decide if you want to risk paying and applying or not.

Every person who can't provide all requested papers is at risk not to get the GC. Some have posted threads that they don't know the city where they ar born, which to me is weird...some don't know their exact names or can't find their diploma's, some even forgot to enter their children, which to me is even more weird!

The USCIS probably has heard or the sob stories and lies that are out there and can decide case by case, which they clearly are doing. But if all papers are authentic and you have proof of funding and schooling or job, you chances are so high

If it is true that 400 people were at the embassy it might mean that the embassy has a hard time doing all checks...

 

[NuvF]

It is very heartening to see that both US embassies in Nigeria and Ghana DO NOT have on their websites any detailed country specific instructions/advise for DV winners/applicants.

Do you get any 'specific' instructions in paper with your second NL from KCC ?

Following is an important guideline the Nigerian embassy has (may be same with Ghana) that effectively put even people with low CNs to the end of the line and waiting !!

Please note that there are a limited number of visas available for applicants from Nigeria, and the number of visas is a lot less than the number of applications selected. Applicants who honor their original appointment are given first priority for these visas; applicants with complete documentation for their rescheduled interview will be given second preference; all others will be considered as slots become available

And the Accra embassy summarizes the 'fraud' problem they face as follows;

Please note: The U.S. Embassy in Accra considers visa fraud to be a serious issue. According to U.S. visa regulations, applicants who submit forged or altered documents or who make a false statement may become permanently ineligible for a visa to the United States. In addition, applicants who commit fraud may be subject to prosecution under Ghanaian law

Good Luck to all of you honest hardworking people, may your dreams come true and may God Bless You !!

 

[bentlebee]

It is very heartening to see that both US embassies in Nigeria and Ghana DO NOT have on their websites any detailed country specific instructions/advise for DV winners/applicants.

Do you get any 'specific' instructions in paper with your second NL from KCC ?

Following is an important guideline the Nigerian embassy has (may be same with Ghana) that effectively put even people with low CNs to the end of the line and waiting !!



And the Accra embassy summarizes the 'fraud' problem they face as follows;



Good Luck to all of you honest hardworking people, may your dreams come true and may God Bless You !!

Doesn't it says enough if the embassy is stating things like fraud and forgery...how many other countries have that on their website...

I do know a family from Ghana that won the DV lottery years ago and the son is now a US citizen...The family moved over here and the father immediately after moving here bailed out on the family and was never heard of...but the mom raised wonderful kids and one got a great professional sports carreer and is playing for the US National team now...so there are succes stories!

 

[sarahdiop]

meinig some kololoo is there.

Thats the funniest part, kept me laughing so hard ... Pls nobody take offense here, im from that part of the world too. lol.

 

[NuvF]

Thats the funniest part, kept me laughing so hard ... Pls nobody take offense here, im from that part of the world too. lol.

interpret that word for me/us please !!

 

[gasper2000]

Bentlebee, well i understand your standpoint but i was expecting that such a post should have been done with courtesy because everything about Africa and blacks generally seems to be exceptional in the international comunity.I believe you understand me.All the same sorry if i was too harsh in my reaction.