TN visa denied twice the same POE

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ronyl

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I was denied TN visa twice at Rainbow bridge earlier this month. I am a foreign graduates of Bachelor's degree in Electronics and Communication Engineering and I have a 10 yrs of experience. I have a job offer from the US. My problem is I was denied the first time because my educational evaluation from CES ( University of Toronto ) is only 3 years degree( based on canadian equivalency ) that is my biggest mistakes, of course the officer denied my application based on NAFTA prof. category is 4 years Bachelors of Engineering/provincial licensure. So, I went back home and then I get a US evaluation certificate in Florida (AETS) and I have a 4 year Bachelor's degree.

So, I went back to Rainbow bridge and show them my US evaluation certificate from AETS since that is the only one lacking requirements they need to see. The officer at the border denied me again and finger printed and photograph me because they will rely ONLY from CES ( University of Toronto ) evaluation. I was really confused about my credential evaluation CANADA via US, I called CES evaluator and asked them why is it 3 years only? they have different system to evaluate foreign credential evaluation, and it is different from other evaluation agency. They give me suggestion to go ICAS ( both canada and US equivalency ) I go for it and have also 2 credential evaluation agency from NY, US.

My question is, Should I retain an immigration lawyer since I was denied twice? or should I go by myself again in a different POE and try my luck for the 3rd time and show them a different reputable evaluation agency. 1 for canada and 2 for NY, I am concern about the officer told me, they will give me TN visa when I can produce an evaluation from CES ( U of T ). Please help? any suggestions? Appreciated. Thanks!

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Most here use WES, and have never had evals questionned.

A lawyer might add muscle next time you go. This POE is power tripping on you.
 
Thanks Nelsona, Im just wondering if WES or ICAS will provide me 4 years degree, since my CES is only 3 years degree only. I think that the Canadian equivalency is different from US equivalent, that is my concern, I have a 2 certificates from a reputable US evaluation agency which I am equivalent to Bachelor of Engineering, whereas , my CES ( Canada equivalent ) is only 3 years. That is my main concern, the officer told me that if I can provide from CES a 4 years degree ( he means to say that I have to go to school for 1 year ) then they will give me approval of TN visa. What should I do? My US equivalent is Bachelor. Do I need an explaination for both Canadian and US equivalency to support my application? Or should I retain an Immigration lawyer? please help... Thank you very much!
 
Your error was going to CES. WES will evaluate your degrere correctly, as did AETS.

No one in canada who gets a 3-year bach degree is denied TN simply on that basis.

Forget CES. Don't bring it with you.

And I already told you to that a lawyer would help, as this POE is toying with you.

By the way, please don't 'bump up' other threads without reason. We are all able to use the scroll bar.
 
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Im sorry about that. And thank you for you help. Is it okey if I go to a different POE, and then apply by myself and bring all evaluation certificates from differents evaluator? this is my 3rd time round, and was afraid to be denied again.
 
I have already answered your questions. I would not go to a different POE as you are undoubtedly in the system, and POE-shopping is frowned upon.

... but your lawyer will advise you.;)
 
If you are denied entry, as you were, even once, it goes in their database. When they ask you "Have you ever been denied entry?", you must now and forever say "yes". it will then be up to the officer if he wants to question you further. That is completely apart from TN requests.

Repeated denials could get you lumped in with those who try to cross with criminal records, etc.

How's that lawyer coming?
 
Take nelson's advice. This is your future you are dealing with. I do know of a LOT of people who got sent back the first time but they FIXED the issue without any help from a lawyer, and the second time they went and got their TN.

But in your case, unfortunatly, your second visit wasn't in your favor. So rather than thinking about your past, spend a couple of grand and take a lawyer with you, I am sure you'd have a MUCH better chance at getting the TN than going on your own. Good luck!!
 
nelsona said:
If you are denied entry, as you were, even once, it goes in their database.
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Isn't there a difference between getting denied vs the officer letting you withdraw your application? My understanding is if you withdraw your application, it is technically not considered a "denial"??
 
True, a true denial you get fingerprinted, photographed and then led back to Canada.
If you are told you may withdraw the TN application or you do withdraw it before the officer offers you the opportunity then they just escort you back to "the line" wherever that may be at that particular POE.
From my experience on the WA/BC border if you're not argumentative with the officer and you've truly got a fixable issue with an application you'll be given the opportunity to withdraw. If you get into a verbal argument with the officer all bets are off as to whether you get any choice about what happens.
 
Thanks to all of you guys, Nelsona, doubledouble, and webtiger. I really appreciates all your help. BTW, I decided to retain a lawyer in my case, I have applied for 3 different evaluations from the US and Canada.. Do you know a good lawyer who will deals with NAFTA? any recommendations? please advice. Thanks you very much!
 
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