Those who have renewed NP, Please answer.

[wantmygcnow]

I dont' really want to renew my NP however I may have to if Swiss embassy doesn't issue visa on the RTD(it expires on August 23 and they require passport valid at least 3 months after you exit out of Switzerland). They dont accept Rentry PErmits.

My question is this, If you renew your NP, does it mean you can't get a RTD? Since in the I-131 it asks if you have renewed your NP. You have to write Yes.

And my goal is to get a Security Clearance in the future when I beocme a USC. You think renewing NP may hurt the chance to get a secret clearance?

Also can you have a RTD & Rentry Permit both in hand? In I-131, it only says that You can't have a RTD if you have one valid in hand... and you can't have a Rentry Permit if you have one valid in hand...COnfusing!! It doesn't say You can't have a valid RTD and a valid Rentry Permit in hand.

 

[cadel]

I dont' really want to renew my NP however I may have to if Swiss embassy doesn't issue visa on the RTD(it expires on August 23 and they require passport valid at least 3 months after you exit out of Switzerland). They dont accept Rentry PErmits.

My question is this, If you renew your NP, does it mean you can't get a RTD? Since in the I-131 it asks if you have renewed your NP. You have to write Yes.

And my goal is to get a Security Clearance in the future when I beocme a USC. You think renewing NP may hurt the chance to get a secret clearance?

Also can you have a RTD & Rentry Permit both in hand? In I-131, it only says that You can't have a RTD if you have one valid in hand... and you can't have a Rentry Permit if you have one valid in hand...COnfusing!! It doesn't say You can't have a valid RTD and a valid Rentry Permit in hand.

I can answer only to the last question.The answer is no.You can't have both documents at the same time.If so uscis would send me back my valid RTD that I gave up the time I was applying for my Reentry Permit

RD Aug 22,2001
Approved Sep 15,2001
GC received Sep 20,2005

 

[jubilee]

I dont' really want to renew my NP however I may have to if Swiss embassy doesn't issue visa on the RTD(it expires on August 23 and they require passport valid at least 3 months after you exit out of Switzerland). They dont accept Rentry PErmits.
And my goal is to get a Security Clearance in the future when I beocme a USC. You think renewing NP may hurt the chance to get a secret clearance?

since your goal is to became usc ...just forget about renewing n. passport.
please don't take chances ..
I'm surprise here you get good job..green card in you hand and only 4 years remaining before applying for citizenship..and you wanna take risk!!! you wanna take huge risk about getting visa for swiss.!!!
excuse my language here :what's you trying to do is crazy.

 

[Luckywife]

I dont' really want to renew my NP however I may have to if Swiss embassy doesn't issue visa on the RTD(it expires on August 23 and they require passport valid at least 3 months after you exit out of Switzerland). They dont accept Rentry PErmits.

I have some friends who renewed their NPs, but they are derivative asylees, received their GCs in 95-98.
My NPs were stolen and when I was wondering if I can renew them for the purpose of identification, the IO told me that I must not do that.
You are a GC holder, it may be different, you should call USCIS and talk to the IO about your situation.

 

[amtbooks]

I am not sure whether this will apply in your situation, I had applied advance parole (I don't have GC yet) last year, and attached my still-valid RTD with my application, but I stated in the cover letter that "I attached the RTD just in case you need it, please return it to me if it is not needed in my application". Then USCIS sent the RTD the following week, and AP in another week.

I can answer only to the last question.The answer is no.You can't have both documents at the same time.If so uscis would send me back my valid RTD that I gave up the time I was applying for my Reentry Permit

RD Aug 22,2001
Approved Sep 15,2001
GC received Sep 20,2005

 

[memo]

I always think how the US government is gonna find out that you have renewed your NP if you don't tell them??? especially if you are from a country ythat doesn't have political relations with the US.

 

[thankful]

My suggestion is do not renew.

 

[clotty]

I always think how the US government is gonna find out that you have renewed your NP if you don't tell them??? especially if you are from a country ythat doesn't have political relations with the US.

During the citizenship interview you are supposed to show your passport to the officer who is interviewing you and they will see it then. But I know that a lot of people do not know about "thou shall not renew thy NP" and some attorneys do not tell their clients about it. In my opinion it is nothing to be alarmed about unless you also went to your COP using the NP, in which case obviously one may need to do some explaining. But to be on the safe side try not to renew it.

 

[clotty]

There is NOW WAY they can find this out !!!! Period.

In my NP (and I am assuming in most other countries' NP's as well) there is a page for renewal. The text in my passport is in both my native tongue and English. You will need to show your NP during the citizienship interview so they will see it on that page, unless the officer who is interviewing you flips through the passport pages like a deck of cards and not pay attention to it.

 

[applyarea]

Also can you have a RTD & Rentry Permit both in hand? In I-131, it only says that You can't have a RTD if you have one valid in hand... and you can't have a Rentry Permit if you have one valid in hand...COnfusing!! It doesn't say You can't have a valid RTD and a valid Rentry Permit in hand.

I don't know how you can get Reentry Permit. Since in I-131, you have to check RTD option since you are either in asylee status or PR from asyee. We are not qualified for Reentry Permit.

 

[wantmygcnow]

I don't know how you can get Reentry Permit. Since in I-131, you have to check RTD option since you are either in asylee status or PR from asyee. We are not qualified for Reentry Permit.

You are a PR, you are qualified for a Rentry Permit.

 

[copper1]

I dont' really want to renew my NP however I may have to if Swiss embassy doesn't issue visa on the RTD(it expires on August 23 and they require passport valid at least 3 months after you exit out of Switzerland). They dont accept Rentry PErmits.

My question is this, If you renew your NP, does it mean you can't get a RTD? Since in the I-131 it asks if you have renewed your NP. You have to write Yes.

And my goal is to get a Security Clearance in the future when I beocme a USC. You think renewing NP may hurt the chance to get a secret clearance?

Also can you have a RTD & Rentry Permit both in hand? In I-131, it only says that You can't have a RTD if you have one valid in hand... and you can't have a Rentry Permit if you have one valid in hand...COnfusing!! It doesn't say You can't have a valid RTD and a valid Rentry Permit in hand.

Ok....


When you are applying for re-entry permit you skip the questioneers that apply when you want RTD. Bottom line, you do not answer the questions about renewing yoru NP, you skip it. You can take a look at the application and know what I mean.
I have recently renewed my NP but I will continue to use Reentry permit to travel, unless I need to use my NP. I have also applied for national ID through consulate because without that I cannot sell my property in the old country.


You NP has nothing to do with security clearence, depening on what level you are seeking. This means a naturalized citizen can't get the clearnece?

 

[wantmygcnow]

Ok....


When you are applying for re-entry permit you skip the questioneers that apply when you want RTD. Bottom line, you do not answer the questions about renewing yoru NP, you skip it. You can take a look at the application and know what I mean.
I have recently renewed my NP but I will continue to use Reentry permit to travel, unless I need to use my NP. I have also applied for national ID through consulate because without that I cannot sell my property in the old country.


You NP has nothing to do with security clearence, depening on what level you are seeking. This means a naturalized citizen can't get the clearnece?

I think when you try to get a clearance. They look at how loyal you are to the United States. Obviously, they do look as to how you came to this country and how you obtained US citizenship. I don't know if writing "gained asylum" on the clearance form and then also saying that I renewed my passport after that makes it a little suspect don't you think?

Ofcourse natuarlized citizens do get Clearances but every case is unique. If a person got a clearance who is not u.s born, it doesn't mean you will get it too. They take everything in consideration, including your credit history, # of cars you own, # of houses you own, amount of money in bank etc.

 

[Minsk]

I think when you try to get a clearance. They look at how loyal you are to the United States. Obviously, they do look as to how you came to this country and how you obtained US citizenship. I don't know if writing "gained asylum" on the clearance form and then also saying that I renewed my passport after that makes it a little suspect don't you think?

Ofcourse natuarlized citizens do get Clearances but every case is unique. If a person got a clearance who is not u.s born, it doesn't mean you will get it too. They take everything in consideration, including your credit history, # of cars you own, # of houses you own, amount of money in bank etc.

Why don't you renew your RTD? It takes less than 2 months now to get a new one. Do you think it will take less time to renew your NP? That is strange btw that Swiss embassy does not accept Reentry Permit.

 

[copper1]

I think when you try to get a clearance. They look at how loyal you are to the United States. Obviously, they do look as to how you came to this country and how you obtained US citizenship. I don't know if writing "gained asylum" on the clearance form and then also saying that I renewed my passport after that makes it a little suspect don't you think?

Ofcourse natuarlized citizens do get Clearances but every case is unique. If a person got a clearance who is not u.s born, it doesn't mean you will get it too. They take everything in consideration, including your credit history, # of cars you own, # of houses you own, amount of money in bank etc.

Point taken but according to you an Asylee; for that matter anyone with dual nationality wont get a security clearence. There are several leves of security clearence. Anyone in Army regardless of citizenship have some type of security clearence. I really dont know how and what they look at, especially your immigration records but not too long ago they caught some illegal who was working at the border as US Customes Officer, prior to that he was in the US navy.

 

[pvlaca]

I feel that we have a lot of theorizing on this subject, but not many facts.

Heare are some of the facts.

A new post today said that " I have asked one of my cousine who traveled to sweitzerland with her NP, She told me She had an RTD but she has been renewing (NP) almost twice to use it for travel to switzerland to visit her siblings. Now, two month ago she become (USC) and didn' t affect her a bit. They didn'nt even asked her about renewal."

There was another post from Punjabi Munda some time earlier in which he stated that "I came back yesterday and had no problem whatsoever going out or coming in. My parents and family were very happy to see me after seven years. I travelled with my renewed passport and GC." In his case, he went back to his COP after obtaining GC.

These two cases indicated that for those who have beeng granted GC, the fear of renewing National Passport and traveling to original COP as GC holder may be overblown - based more on someone's internal theorizing than on facts.

I'd like to hear any cases which contradict the above. If possible, please only share stories that happen to you or to someone you know. Please do not repeat uncorroborated hearsays - thanks.

PVLACA

 

[LenJ]

Based on your situation, I think renewing NP should not affect getting future security clearance. I also agree with PVLACA's opinion on the subject. As time goes by the societies worldwide become more open and democratic. The US is a leader in helping individuals achieving fulfillments of personal ideas and on the other side restricting an ability of those who do not deserve it. I think you won't have a trouble at the time of getting sec. clearance.

Len J

 

[ayyubov]

During the citizenship interview you are supposed to show your passport to the officer who is interviewing you and they will see it then. But I know that a lot of people do not know about "thou shall not renew thy NP" and some attorneys do not tell their clients about it. In my opinion it is nothing to be alarmed about unless you also went to your COP using the NP, in which case obviously one may need to do some explaining. But to be on the safe side try not to renew it.

This is not true. As an asylee u might not have passport. Having passport during Citizenship interview is not mandatory.

 

[clotty]

This is not true. As an asylee u might not have passport. Having passport during Citizenship interview is not mandatory.

I read in the Citizenship section of this forum that people who got the citizienship interview notice had these requirements to bring to the interview(quoting a post made by a poster who had just received his interview notice):"The letter listed the following to bring along:
1- Grean Card
2- Passport
3- Selective Service Docs
4- Notice letter......."

Of course it is possible that for an asylee the requirements of what to bring may perhaps be different than other type of applicants, but since I am a long road (at least 4 or 5 years) away from that said inteview, I have not made a thorough research on it yet. If you can share with us sources/links on how asylees do not need to bring their passports to the interview, that would be great. I personally will bring my passport regardless as it is not a problem in my case, but it may be a question mark for some, so they may find the answer they are looking for in the source you may provide. I am assuming if one does not have a passport, then they have to make an explanation on why not, but if one has a passport and the question which I initially replied to on this thread was "how will they know if I renewed my passport?", then you have to show that passport hence my comment "they will see that you renwed it then"

 

[ayyubov]

I read in the Citizenship section of this forum that people who got the citizienship interview notice had these requirements to bring to the interview(quoting a post made by a poster who had just received his interview notice):"The letter listed the following to bring along:
1- Grean Card
2- Passport
3- Selective Service Docs
4- Notice letter......."

Of course it is possible that for an asylee the requirements of what to bring may perhaps be different than other type of applicants, but since I am a long road (at least 4 or 5 years) away from that said inteview, I have not made a thorough research on it yet. If you can share with us sources/links on how asylees do not need to bring their passports to the interview, that would be great. I personally will bring my passport regardless as it is not a problem in my case, but it may be a question mark for some, so they may find the answer they are looking for in the source you may provide.

My wife's aunt and her three daughters recently had an interview for citizenship. They live in USA for 10 years now and don't have national passports (came to the country as refugees). According to them the question of NP never been raised (I specifically asked). Passport is not a requirement for asylees/refugees. The letter is just too general which they send to everybody.