the reason not to go back to india

[spulla]

Techy, you are sounding bit too harsh. Don't forget your roots if you are really from one of them. I still wonder though.

probably you have not lived India enough! I pity you!!

So you are saying that, if your roots are from India, you cannot criticize aspects of India or Indian system?

USA is exactly what you want India to become. Situation(All the factors) in the USA are result of economic evolution. Economic growth will have a lot of effect on family and cultural system. The only thing, at this time, about life in India that is better (For lack of a better term) for a person is, family and friends.

Even the close knit family structure is soon going to disappear, if India keeps developing. You can see these days people are moving into the IT hubs for employment. Away from the family. This kind of dynamism will increase but not decrease. USA was like that, a long time ago. Big families, relatives and cousins living together in same neighborhood etc.

Apart from the above mentioned plus, India is still a big mess. There is no visible action on environment. I pity the future generations. They destroy anything green and build apartments. They have buildings but no parking. Extreme greed and selfishness everywhere. Grab the land as quickly as possible. There is no sense of community. Unless the mindset changes there is no hope. I don't even want to get into casteism, groupism, rampant nepotism toward same caste etc.

For all those people who think India is the place to live for all practical purposes, I wonder what keeps you in this forum?

 

[indone]

What is the worst fear in life ? Death.. right ?

If I go back to India, my chances of getting killed in communal riot is higher than getting killed in any other way.

Vande Mataram.

I disagree...All communal clashes have been orchestrated by politicians for personal gains. You have a higher chance of dying due to cancer or heart attack.
I have interacted with a number of people of all religions in Kashmir, Gujarat, Kerala, UP. They all had a feeling of brotherhood and as neighbours they were very protective of their friends. There are hundreds of instances of co-operation.....

I doubt if you can spot any single place where every one belongs to a particular religion. Religious fanatics are created..NOT born.

Yes, sporadic instances do take place in UP and Gujarat...but who instigates them...and for what purpose?...The breed of politicians and religious leaders are the same in all cultures..their ultimate goal...quest for power. If only the society could marginalise them ...the world could have been a better place.

 

[techy2468]

ooops i forgot one thing.....which akbari bhai brought it up......religious riots....

to me that is not a big factor though....maybe because i am not a minority...and in bangalore its pretty peaceful.....

 

[indone]

indone....it took usa more than 150 years after independence to be where it is now......its been only 59 years for india.... another 90+ to go...

See the progress in technical fields..India is a P-4 generation...the hospitals have the same equipment..and the chances of errors are less...coz the public would lynch a doctor who commits mistakes. Trust me India is well advanced on the Nuclear, Medical and electronic fronts.

gctome......i have seen so much india...that it hurts.... you need to visit the villages of UP, Bihar & MP to know what i am talking about...

.Yes the BIMARU states are a liability..But ..blame the politicians..Like Lalu yadav said" Give me Japan and I will make it a Bihar in 3 days"

infact visit to any town in those states will open your eyes to the reality...

you need to travel in DTC (delhi transport Corp) to know how women are treated.

...Nope..it is cleaner, neater and safer than the Subways.

you need to wait near traffic junctions..in a two wheeler..in the smoke and heat....and beggers almost threatning you.

..Why do you need to patronise the syndicate which uses kids to beg

you need to complete Mbbs or bachelor of dental science....and then try to figure out what specialisation to do so that you can get a job of rs.10k.

Nope..check the matrimonial sites for who is earning what and where.A doc get Rs 25 for each consultation and he checks a min of 50 persons in a day. 10 K may be for tax purposes.

you need to write IIT-JEE or any other entrance...and then realise ...only 50% seats are available for you..

..Nope...Max limit is 33%...and this includes payment seats.

and the most important....you need to spend $70k for a property.....in which a family of 3 can barely live (compared to living housing in anyt developed country)

$70 K will get you a hurricane/ storm/tornado/ earthquake proof house made of bricks.But remember there are negligible recurring costs for utilities.Where would you get unlimited water for $2 a month.Also a good meal in commercial street or brigade road or for that matter in Narulas or in CP will cost you max a dollar

i think i can go on and on....i am not saying usa is perfect.....but as i said it is not utopia....and it is good enough that a skilled person can make a decent living with his hard work.

.A skilled person will save more in India. I still delve into my old savings

of course....being in india...you need to suffer at the hands of govt employees.

.Think positive...you could have moved your files for less than a dollar in India in one tenth the time

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....god forbid...if you get disabled...you will know how good of social security is there to help you and your family....

Red cross provides a24x7 nurse for $50. Also you could employ another help 24x7 for $50.

 

[ndnori]

Hey boys and girls,
I am a 50 year old man lived for 44 years in India and was into manufacturing of chemicals.I was sole properiter of a medium size industry.Now I am in U.S
Now coming to the point,everybody has right to have his or her personal opinions.But facts remain same.India has some problems like illiteracy,excess population,,casteism,curruption etc.But in last 10-15 years things are improving and will be better soon and may not be comparable to U.S at all.
Yet it is our country and culture. In my opinion for some body to decide whether to go back or remain here the basis should be individual circumstances like oppurtunities you have and also your family specially parents.If you are only child and have good business/employment oppurtunities in India you should consider.
I remember to have read somewhere"The value of parents will be known more when they are gone"
I am one unfortunate guy who could not attend father's funeral
Pl pardon me if my posting is irrelevent and boring

 

[techy2468]

indone...so when are you moving back??

 

[JANHK]

Sir,

I am afrid that India will be another USA in 2025. If India is taking any direction from the US to be developed country, then I am not going "home". It is a scary news.

Have patience...the study by India today shows that by 2025 India WILL be a global power. I believe it will be sooner. The irreversible move back to India has started. A number of people are going back to set up businesses in India...afterall it is a part of the global evolution. Just compare the progress with the total years of independance.

 

[indone]

indone...so when are you moving back??

SO YOU NEED MY HELP!!!!I was only trying to educate you on certain realities in India..

Well...i have to finish my current assignment but..I promise to follow you just to make sure you don't become a veerappan...I assure you I'll give you a job worth your brains.(Definitely NOT be in my company)..but primarily since I don't wan't your Indian family to suffer the cultural shock .

let me tell you clearly....YOUR POINTS JUST SHOW THAT YOU LEARNT NOTHING IN INDIA. STOP DENIGRATING THE COUNTRY THAT BROUGHT YOU UP AND PAID FOR YOUR EDUCATION. EVERY COUNTRY HAS ITS PLUS AND MINUS POINTS.IT'S FOR US TO CONTRIBUTE TOWARDS A BETTER TOMORROW WHERE EVER WE ARE. GROW UP SONNY, SHOW SOME MATURITY..

 

[techy2468]

indone....its getting personal....but what the heck.....btw which EB category are you in?.....or maybe you are not even a EB applicant?

btw when you feel so much abt india....isnt it natural you would like there?....why are you loosing your cool?

 

[indone]

indone....its getting personal....but what the heck.....btw which EB category are you in?.....or maybe you are not even a EB applicant?

btw when you feel so much abt india....isnt it natural you would like there?....why are you loosing your cool?

I have been reading your posts.for some time...your desperation to get more money, ... need to acquire property in India...the cribbing about the work culture in your firm in Alabama...etc..etc..

Cities have to expand outward..and the super highways will connect them. Every metro in India will have an ELTS / subway by 2010. The projects are already in full swing. Check the progress of the Golden Quadrilateral. India is definetly progressing at a rapid pace....look at the sensex and compare it to the world markets. It holds it ground even when the dow jones or nikkei slips

The reason US is progressing is that people have a national spirit..and do their bit for the upliftment of the society.

Some people contribute to the society...and some just criticize...Initially in your posts you were defending the $70 k houses now..u took a different turn...Now don't sit on a fence..the prospects in Atlanta are NOT that rosy. The property prices have gone up...so has the population.you wouldn't get into the aquarium without an online booking two days in adv and ... Austin texas has Phd's doing waiters jobs..Look where ur non US BTech will get you. The raleigh Durham stretch gives better options..

I have been exposed to many cultures in many countries...I find that every where there is a sense of national pride except for some people from....


I get rattled when anyone gives a pessimistic outlook without proof on a public forum

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[techy2468]

you do mention things which dont make much sense??
PhD's doing waiters job why?...
well talking about metro.....i hope you have travelled on some....few rails are not going to cater to almost 10 million people in each cities.....

thanks for the raleigh durham suggestion....but i am looking for a bigger city so that if i have to change assignment....i can find within 20 miles radius.....withink 30-45 days...

btw.....i am sorry for being ignorent about the indian roads....thanks for the info on golden quadrilateral.......i hope they do the same with the local roads in the cities..

talking about sensex.....do you know how much it crashes....almost 30% in few days....if the FII gets jitter it will be nowhere to be seen......

well there is not much left to debate.....national pride is not going to get me a good house.....neither will it protect me from the poor frustrated people.......nor will it make my family feel safe after dark.......of course you can be proud of your great leaders like laloo prasad and jayalalitha....who even after rampant corruption....get voted by the illiterate masses....

 

[nash_m]

techy2468,
Man this is too much... In other thread you are talking about going back to India for good with $200K in hand and here you have completely negative things to say... Did you have same the same point of view when you were back in India growing up... I guess not... I agree there is lot to do in India and most importantly it’s very hard to change mentality of people... it might take some time but it’s happening... I just came back from India (Visited Delhi and Jaipur) and man you won't believe the progress we are making there... get your facts right man... (One thing I want to say before you ask me... I do have plans to go back to India in future)

 

[guldukan]

here is something to ponder

interview with Nandan CEO of Infosys
for complete interview visit www.the-week.com

Nandan, you were from IIT Mumbai with great career prospects. What made you stick on to Infosys?
Nilekani: It was more exciting to work with Murthy in India than working in the US and living in a New Jersey suburb. I didn't want to be an NRI type. Frankly, we were always on a long haul in Infosys. Here, we were creating jobs and making an impact. It is all about deferred gratification-it is a belief that somewhere in the future there is a better future, and it is worth sacrificing today for that.

 

[gcstrat]

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Techy2468

You amaze me When did I ever say I am in USA because India is messed up?

I have my reasons for being here.

You said you were in USA because India was messed up.

I am only highlighting that every country including good ol' America is messed up.

From your posts, the reason I think you are here is because you have a cosy life here.

But just because you have cozy life here does not mean you keep perputuating the negative aspects of India, without even acknowledging its positive aspects.

By the way, there are different ways to look at "happiness" (after all that's what we all hope for, to be truly happy and without any worries) - materialistic v/s spirituality.

Materistically, yes India's infrastructure is not on par with USA (nobody disagrees). Spiritually, I think the Indian thought process is WAY WAY Ahead of the world.

You can be content living on $1/ day in India while in USA even after earning $1 million a year, happiness may elude you.

Atleast India's infrastructure problems can be solved by throwing more money at the problem. How will you solve this?

And why were you "hurt" when I mentioned New Orleans? or Iraq? or Abu Ghraib? or Intelligent Design or other FACTS about the USA? I mentioned only FACTS, I repeat FACTS known to the whole world but you got jittery, hmmmm... something to think about, hmmmm.......

Regards
GCStrat

 

[saras76]

Lets try and stick to the spirit of this forum ..

Guys and Gals,

I think a healthy discussion does no harm but there are certain topics (religion, abortion, politics, and patriotism to name a few) that just cannot be debated in a healthy manner. Everyone has their point of view about India and I dont think any post is going to change our mind. I suggest we stick to more relevant topics such AC-21 usage, best ways to save money and other topics related with immigration. Isn't there enough stress already .. why get into more stressful arguements that get a lot of people worked up and angry .. just my two cents ..

cheers,

saras

 

[riyaz404-t]

Actually, most of things you mentioned about USA are positive, except couple
viz. Abughraib, lying about iraq, and i guess couple of others.

for e.g medicare problem you mentioned is not really problem, atleast its available. we dont have that in india yet.
energy prices are set by world markets, not energy companies. no matter how big they are, they cannot control prices since energy is traded in internatonal markets.
SOX also indicates there is strong legislation for accountability. All these are positives.

Having said all that, INDIA is a great country. Sure there is lot of corruption, sure probably we CANNOT do much about that, but if literacy rates rise, we will get much better tomorrow, compared to where we were YESTERDAY. One thing INDIANS can do and are doing is make the country more productive. By doing that, no doubt the first ones to benefit will be middle class. But with strong democracy in place, hopefully there will be ripple effects, and one day that kid on the street begging for money will be taken care off by charities, who will take it upon them to educate the homeless kids, and things will surely improve. So yes, any act of yours that benefits your country in monetary terms will help big time.

Techy2468

There are many other facts besides what you have listed - why are you not accepting that?

Why do you want India's problems to be your reasons to be here?

I can give many "negative" facts about USA - would that make you leave USA?

Where do we start?

Abu Ghraib, anyone?
Katrina, anyone?
Corruption at high places - Ambramoff, DeLay, anyone?
Corruption at high places - no bid contracts to Haliburton, anyone?
Corruption at high places - what about re-districting, anyone?
Corruption at high places - Lying about Iraq, anyone?
Corruption at high places - energy policy dictated by oil companies, anyone?
Corruption at high places - why is the seniors drug plan not administered by medicare, anyone?
Corruption at high places - Protective tariffs on steel imports, which only had to be removed after WTO members threathened sanctions, anyone?
Corruption in regular life - why was Sarbanes-Oxley (SOX) enacted, anyone?
Partisan politics - leaking sensitive information to score political points, anyone?
Vote-bank politics - making comments in favour of "Intelligent Design" when even Vatican accepts "Evolution", anyone?
Vote-bank politics - not accepting medical facts about gays, anyone?
Vote-bank politics - $500 BILLION subsidy to FARMERS to get votes, anyone?
Vote-bank politics - Alaska's bridge to NOWHERE, anyone?
Vote-bank politics - Faith based funding programs, anyone?
Vote-bank politics - Global warming does not exists, anyone?
Vote-bank politics - environment be damped, anyone?
Vote-bank politics - why were certain voters not allowed to vote, anyone?
Poverty - 13% of Americans are below poverty
Poverty - 44 million americans - about 15% of population - without health insurance
Poverty - 90 million americans below 200% poverty levels
Poverty - top 1% of Americans has more wealth than bottom 90% of Americans, anyone?

I can go on and on ...

So, will this make you leave USA?

Regards
GCStrat

 

[will_get_there1]

my 2 cents ..

Move back to home country or not is a basic confusion that every first generation immigrant face. I think we need to realize that most of the people from India are Economic migrants i.e. at the present moment from monetary perspective it makes sense for us to be in US than in India. Economic realities are changing fast in India as well as in US, economic disparity is slowly narrowing (but it is still favouraly in US else we would have seen a mass migration of people back to India) but I think that in our lifetime US will be much safer bet from economic perspetive compared to India.

On the other hand, as first generation immigrants most of us miss the emmotions of home counry - celebrations of Deewali, Holi, Pongal, Id,Christmas; parents, friends and a way of life that was familiar to us.

So, I guess choice depends on how much one want to trade off the emmotional aspects of home country (or village / town / city) for economic gains.

To my friend bashing India: Countries are very complex living systems, there are some good things in each country and some bad, there are number of things of India we can feel pride of but then there are number of things that are shameful. You may feel pride or shame being an Indian (depending on your understanding of India and personal experience) but you will never be able to change the fact you are an Indian.

Cheers and happiness to all.

 

[HARRY007]

Very well said ......will_get_there1.....

 

[bloomingdale]

ur useless thread started by you.

Thanks for apologising. I dont know what you get from this.
For your info, if you are living in usa/GreatBritan...then start lokk back your ass. Every white ass feels that you are an idiot in the world.

Donot do these stupid acts again.

If you like so much then die in that country, do not go to your home country.
Coz..idiots stay in the same place, wise people move out.



bye

 

[techy2468]

bloomigdale....you dont deserve any comment...

will_get_there ......sorry i did not have much good experience being in india that i can be proud of...

i will state another bitter truth.......there are more than 100k indians who are being ignored by the usa immigration system.......still we are waiting for our GC , why??......would we do the same if we had an option of going to an equally good country with similar job options???

there are still people coming from india on H1 visa.....because of the earning potential.....and guess what....after a while they dont want to go back......