"Technically you're not legal to be here" - huh?

tangodancer

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I live in SoCal near the Mexican border and any trip of more than 50 miles or so requires you to go through a border patrol checkpoint. Usually I just get waved through but this weekend I got the third degree...

I had worked on a H1B for 5 years or so and then married a US citizen in June 2002, filed for AOS in August that year. I went to the Chula Vista service centre this August to renew my work authorisation but the clerk told me that my file was marked "schedule for October" and, since I was not actually working, I might want to save $120 and just wait for the interview. I decided to do just that (and of course so far no interview letter and it is almost November).

Anyway, so the patrolman asks my citizenship, I tell him I am pending adjustment and show him my passport with the date and A number in it. Also inside the passport is an expired Advance Parole letter and the I-94 card that I was given when I used it to re-enter the country. The inspector tells me to pull over while he checks it out.

After many minutes a different guy comes over and says I have nothing which shows I am legal in the country, my I-94 has expired. I try explaining that I thought that date was just for re-entry under AP, that because my adjustment is pending I am legal to stay here. He asks how I first came to the country and I say an H1B, he says you mean a K4? I say no, an H1 and he says surely I mean a K4 not a K1. I persist and he asks me what category an H1 is for. After more questions he finally challenges me to show him proof of pending status to which I refer again to the passport. He goes off to check the computer.

Many more minutes pass and he comes out and says to me "technically you're not legal to be here but you can carry on".

I think he is wrong but I certainly wasn't going to try to correct him. They are mostly looking for illegal Mexicans, I don't think they have any idea what a legal alien looks like especially not a white professional worker.

My point of posting this is to ask if I am right or wrong? I think my mistake was to show them the expired AP and associated I-94 card, that put the thought into their head that I had overstayed my limit. I go through a different checkpoint almost weekly and from now on will show only my passport with the proof of application.

But it was a very unpleasant 15 minutes. Now, if only the clerk is right and my interview is going to be scheduled this month....

Paul
 
Paul,

If you are an alien with pending AOS you should and must use the AP to leave the USA. The immigration inspector has every right to deny entry if you leave the US without an AP.

I believe the I485 form has a notice requiring an alien whose pending AOS to apply for an AP failure to do so will result in the application being abandoned and this denied.

I think you were lucky that the Inspector let you in with an expired AP.
 
Hi Paul,

May I ask you when did you get your A number on your passport in your case?

I filed GC application based on marriage too. and just got a AP letter from INS. On AP letter, there is a file number:"Axxx xxx xxx". I wonder if it is A number. if it is, then when they will put it on my passport?

thanks a lot for your any advices!!!
 
Paul,

If you are an alien with pending AOS you should and must use the AP to leave the USA. The immigration inspector has every right to deny entry if you leave the US without an AP.

I believe the I485 form has a notice requiring an alien whose pending AOS to apply for an AP failure to do so will result in the application being abandoned and this denied.

I think you were lucky that the Inspector let you in with an expired AP.

Actually this was all in the US, I never left the US. Because I live near the Mexican border there are check points 40 miles in land to catch illegals so he wasn't exercising any entry/no entry decision.
 
Paul,

If you are an alien with pending AOS you should and must use the AP to leave the USA. The immigration inspector has every right to deny entry if you leave the US without an AP.
Did you actually read his post? He didn't leave the USA.

To the OP, you should probably carry a copy of the I-485 Notice of Action letter with you as well for proof that you are pending status. Really though there is no way of conclusively proving that you are in legal status unfortunately.
 
To the OP, you should probably carry a copy of the I-485 Notice of Action letter with you as well for proof that you are pending status. Really though there is no way of conclusively proving that you are in legal status unfortunately.

I had my NOA with me but my error was having the expired work authorisation in my passport. I wasn't working so that didn't matter but the guy saw an expired date and so thought something was wrong. They don't see many non-Mexican aliens in this part of the country.

Wow, just realised this thread is almost 4 years old, didn't mean to ressurect it.
 
I had my NOA with me but my error was having the expired work authorisation in my passport. I wasn't working so that didn't matter but the guy saw an expired date and so thought something was wrong. They don't see many non-Mexican aliens in this part of the country.

Wow, just realised this thread is almost 4 years old, didn't mean to ressurect it.
Holy crap, I didn't notice that. Wait though, you were the thread starter right, how did you take 4 years to reply to that guy? ;)
 
It is ok, Resurrection is good...

But I always carry a copy of my I-485 NOA with me, just in case. and a color/notarized copy of my passport.

:) Sorry you had to go through that... 4 years ago
 
I came here to read about citizenship, saw there was a reply to my post that needed a response and so left one. It was only after I started wondering when this had taken place!

Even though I have my Green Card I still hate, and slightly fear, going through those checkpoints twice a week. Not sure if I will feel any better when I get the citizenship.
 
I came here to read about citizenship, saw there was a reply to my post that needed a response and so left one. It was only after I started wondering when this had taken place!

Even though I have my Green Card I still hate, and slightly fear, going through those checkpoints twice a week. Not sure if I will feel any better when I get the citizenship.

After citizenship. Get an US passport :) no more questions asked.
 
After citizenship. Get an US passport :) no more questions asked.

I was wondering about that - citizens don't have to carry passports, but do naturalised ones? The CBP isn't likely to believe me if I just state it grrr.

I used to drive a red MINI cooper, union jack on the roof, licence plate 'ukpylot' and often the guy would ask my citizenship. Of course I also answered politely.
 
Well, you just happen to be in that area, where you need to prove that you are there legally. I would think that just showing your Green Card (which you are required to carry with you) would be enough now a days.
 
I was wondering about that - citizens don't have to carry passports, but do naturalised ones? The CBP isn't likely to believe me if I just state it grrr.
I've often wondered this myself. As a brit whose lived here for 8+ years and not lost his accent, and am not about to even if I get US citizenship, how would I prove that I'm a US citizen if questioned?
 
Well, you just happen to be in that area, where you need to prove that you are there legally. I would think that just showing your Green Card (which you are required to carry with you) would be enough now a days.
Yes, but there is no equivalent to a Green Card for a naturalized US citizen.
 
there is a certificate of naturalization.... My hubby has one. I'll have one in about a year and a half, if everything goes well. :)
 
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