Tax Questions N-400

[WBH]

You are right and I am wrong. Happy? :

It is what happened in the real world matter. I had a friend who was a professor in NJ who never filed NY state taxes (of course money wise it is his loss because usually one can get refund from witholding) because he was too much into his research and did not care anything else. He simply answer No to that question he got citizenship (He had trouble but the trouble was due to name check pending not about this state tax issue).

 

[TheRealCanadian]

If you have ever lived as an apartment renter for a long time and enough many township in the past, my bet is that in theory you failed to file at least one locat twonship tax return and also owe twonship taxes (you can do your own search

I don't need to search - I live in a state that does not have townships, nor does it permit municipalities or counties to tax income.

You are generalizing based on your experience in your state, and there are 49 others. Several don't even have state income taxes, let alone local ones.

 

[WBH]

I don't need to search - I live in a state that does not have townships, nor does it permit municipalities or counties to tax income.

You are generalizing based on your experience in your state, and there are 49 others. Several don't even have state income taxes, let alone local ones.

Then my suggestion are for those who have the samne problem. What they do is up to them

 

[WBH]

General question:
Once if you have account transcripts for those years with 0 balances,
will it not say that you do not owe any thing or
still IR can say much later later on, because of such and such you now owe some thing?(Like above Sudha1999 posting that 2007 tax is due letter in 2009).
Please shed some information .

My take is that On this issue, both for your own and USCIS sake give yourself some room. As long as you file youir tax return and do not have a tax bill sent from IRS that you can not immediately pay off, you do not
have to conisder yourself owing IRS taxes.

Say if you today get a letter from IRS saying you underpaid your tax by
$50-500, then just write a check and pay it. All these are in the
category of normal tax handling process

Only if you get a $5000-50000 tax bill and you do not have money to pay it off then you can say you owe fed tax.

 

[Al Southner]

Then my suggestion are for those who have the samne problem. What they do is up to them

I think you should read what the RealCanadian said carefully. You are stuck in the generalization zone here, which is unacceptable because there are 50 states. Tax laws differs from state to state...

 

[WBH]

I think you should read what the RealCanadian said carefully. You are stuck in the generalization zone here, which is unacceptable because there are 50 states. Tax laws differs from state to state...

Some times generalizatrion make sense that is why we have generalizations.
Without generalization, any thread/discussion here is useless because everyone's case is unique.

I believe majority of states have income tax and majoprity of states allow their township to collect taxes and many many township collect income taxes.
township income tax is very common. If local tax is a rarety, N400 would not even be worded that way.

 

[Al Southner]

Some times generalizatrion make sense that is why we have generalizations.
Without generalization, any thread/discussion here is useless because everyone's case is unique.

I believe majority of states have income tax and majoprity of states allow their township to collect taxes and many many township collect income taxes. If local tax is a rarety, N400 would not even be worded that way.

There are no townships in the state of Maryland... Whereas in NJ, there are many townships and was never aware of this till I was ticketed 6 years ago. So, do you want to tell me that I don't pay local taxes? I have close to $9,000 in property taxes, which is collected by the county, which in turn is send to the state. What in world are you talking about? I would implore you to get laid tonight..... Not all generalizations makes sense. A course in logical reasoning will help you determine that in less than 10 pages.

 

[WBH]

So, do you want to tell me that I don't pay local taxes? I have close to $9,000 in property taxes, which is collected by the county, which in turn is send to the state.

Considering complexity of local tax system, I would not be surprised if you
failed to pay some.

 

[Al Southner]

Considering complexity of local tax system, I would not be surprised if you
failed to pay some.

I don't even pay income tax, so I don't care about local taxes. When I am asked, I am going to tell them I have never failed to pay federal, state and local states.... For property taxes, yes I do pay it because I love my neighborhood. I have a HOA which I pay yearly, no complaints there.

I go to Delaware once in a while to buy clothes, no sales tax there. So, I have failed to pay state taxes, in delaware?

 

[WBH]

I go to Delaware once in a while to buy clothes, no sales tax there. So, I have failed to pay state taxes, in delaware?

You may have failed to pay the "use tax" to NJ

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Use_tax

 

[TheRealCanadian]

I believe majority of states have income tax and majoprity of states allow their township to collect taxes and many many township collect income taxes.

Just because you believe something doesn't make it true. You are correct that the "majority" of states do levy a state income tax, but out of the ones that do not, there are major states such as Florida and Texas.

township income tax is very common. If local tax is a rarety, N400 would not even be worded that way.

You are completely incorrect that many localities collect income taxes - that's actually incredibly rare. Local tax very rarely means "municipal income tax". You are continuing to assume that your case is valid across the majority of circumstances; I am hard-pressed to recall local income taxes outside of NY, PA, NJ and OH.

 

[WBH]

You are completely incorrect that many localities collect income taxes - that's actually incredibly rare. Local tax very rarely means "municipal income tax". You are continuing to assume that your case is valid across the majority of circumstances

Even it is not majority but it is very common or it is not uncommon, right?
At least it is reasonable to assume there are much more people who unknowling failed to file and pay some local taxes than people who
registered to vote as noncitizens.

I am hard-pressed to recall local income taxes outside of NY, PA, NJ and OH.

Even these states alone affect enough many people. It is quite common for
the people here to get a local tax bill and tax return package sometime
after buying a house and then realize they should have actually filed local tax even when they love apartment. But for N-400 purpose, I suggest forget about it.

Again if you don't have this issue, you cna ignore it.

 

[Al Southner]

RealCanadian,


I give up on WBH. He's bent out of shape on this issue. So, if you want to contiune cleansing him of these wild generalizations, please go ahead.

He is so off the mark on this issue, that I am thinking of sending him a ticket to Utah.... He isn't a tax expert, but he's claiming something with no foundation at all... Anyone who "reasonable assume" something that is false and non-existence is an arse. NY is one of the largest states in the Union. The total combined population of states which RC mentioned is about 50 million people. The US has 300 million people, so I am floored by the fact that the state mentioned don't affect a whole lot of people As i said earlier, a course in logical reasoning will enhance your life in the long run....

If something does not make sense, it is usually nonsense. You sir, are on the nonsense watch....

 

[WBH]

I give up on WBH.

It does not matter. Only those who missed a local tax return due to circumstances as I explained are concerned. Whether they answer Yes
or No are up to them. My advise is to answert No in this case. If you
insist such case does not exist at all, then don't bother. It is good if anyone can answer No
with good faith anyway

 

[nc2004gc]

Question for SUDHA1999

When we submitted our N-400 application, the answer was 'NO' to Do you owe any taxes? but the at the time of interview answer was 'YES' to the same question asked IO. We got a letter from IRS stating that we owe taxes for year 07 after we submitted our citizenship application. There was an error in tax returns and we filed corrected (amended) forms immediately. We explained to the IO and showed the IRS letter at the time of interview. The IO gave us one month time to provide the response letter from IRS or payment plan. Our interview went smooth at USCIS. We are hoping to get oath letter as soon as we submit the required information.

Any updates on your case SUDHA1999 ... What kind of documentation did you provide from the IRS ... seeing how it is taking 10-16 weeks to process 1040X ... will you be able to comply within the 30 days granted by the IO ? Would check image of check cashed by IRS be sufficient to prove to the IRS of payment ?