Suing the employer for neglect/delaying H1?

warkhan

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Hello there-
I came to the States 11 years ago with a J1 visa for graduate studies. After completing my degree in 2008, I found an employment at a small university as an assistant professor. When I was hired, my J1 (sevis 2019) had an expiration date of March 25, 2010. My contract started on July 1st, 2008. Within the first week of my employment, I expressed my intent to get a Green Card both to the Human Resources and the Law office contracted by the university to take care of my visa application. I was told that first I need to obtain an H1 visa prior to filling a petition for a GC.

I obtained the waiver for foreign residence requirement on February 2nd, 2010 and the petition for H1B was submitted on March 12th. I immediately contacted with the law office again and requested that we should start the GC process. I didn't receive any response from them. I sent several emails, left several messages, and even personally went to their office only to be told that they were not available. This situation continued until May 2010. On May, I contacted the office of the Legal counsel at the university and informed the director that the law office does not return my calls. I was told that they were waiting for the Dean's approval (I don't know why?). Couple of days passed finally I went to the Dean and told him to approve the attorney's request. Finally on June 24th, I received a request for a meeting. I was told that there is a problem.

In the meeting, the lawyer told me that I am not eligible for GC because I was hired more than 18 months ago. He also mentioned that he didn't even realized this fact until he looked at my file; that this is an ongoing problem and other international faculty also went through this. The only way for me to apply for a GC would be getting re-hired for my position (that would reset the 18 month requirement). Needless to say I was devastated. Finally I went through the whole hiring process again and was one of the finalists but at the end they hired somebody else. Now, as you can imagine, I am really upset.

Even though my intent to file for GC was clear from day one, no one EVER informed me about this 18 months rule (or any other responsibility that I need to fulfill pertaining to my visa application). Not the university or the office of the legal counsel or the lawyers working on my case.

They waited until June 24, six months after the fact . I have been trying to contact with them for months they never returned my calls or emails. Yet they claim it was my responsibility to inform them.

In addition, I also learned that other faculty members who went through the same process (different departments) experienced different things. For example, I was told that the only way for me to apply for a GC is to resign from my tenure track position and become an adjunct faculty so I was forced to resign but I know for a fact that other faculty members were never asked to resign (and they all were rehired).

As a result of this, now I have to relocate my family to overseas. My wife lost her job back in August (can't work with a H2). We are probably going to have to short sale our house (or maybe lose it to the bank). We are going back as homeless and jobless. I really don't know how long it is going to take us to find a job.

And my employer refuses to even pay for plane tickets. I scheduled an appointment with an attorney next week but I would like to know if we have a right to sue the employer? Can I sue for some severance payment?

Any advice will greatly be appreciated.
 
Hello there-
I came to the States 11 years ago with a J1 visa for graduate studies. After completing my degree in 2008, I found an employment at a small university as an assistant professor. When I was hired, my J1 (sevis 2019) had an expiration date of March 25, 2010. My contract started on July 1st, 2008. Within the first week of my employment, I expressed my intent to get a Green Card both to the Human Resources and the Law office contracted by the university to take care of my visa application. I was told that first I need to obtain an H1 visa prior to filling a petition for a GC.

I obtained the waiver for foreign residence requirement on February 2nd, 2010 and the petition for H1B was submitted on March 12th. I immediately contacted with the law office again and requested that we should start the GC process. I didn't receive any response from them. I sent several emails, left several messages, and even personally went to their office only to be told that they were not available. This situation continued until May 2010. On May, I contacted the office of the Legal counsel at the university and informed the director that the law office does not return my calls. I was told that they were waiting for the Dean's approval (I don't know why?). Couple of days passed finally I went to the Dean and told him to approve the attorney's request. Finally on June 24th, I received a request for a meeting. I was told that there is a problem.

In the meeting, the lawyer told me that I am not eligible for GC because I was hired more than 18 months ago. He also mentioned that he didn't even realized this fact until he looked at my file; that this is an ongoing problem and other international faculty also went through this. The only way for me to apply for a GC would be getting re-hired for my position (that would reset the 18 month requirement). Needless to say I was devastated. Finally I went through the whole hiring process again and was one of the finalists but at the end they hired somebody else. Now, as you can imagine, I am really upset.

Even though my intent to file for GC was clear from day one, no one EVER informed me about this 18 months rule (or any other responsibility that I need to fulfill pertaining to my visa application). Not the university or the office of the legal counsel or the lawyers working on my case.

They waited until June 24, six months after the fact . I have been trying to contact with them for months they never returned my calls or emails. Yet they claim it was my responsibility to inform them.

In addition, I also learned that other faculty members who went through the same process (different departments) experienced different things. For example, I was told that the only way for me to apply for a GC is to resign from my tenure track position and become an adjunct faculty so I was forced to resign but I know for a fact that other faculty members were never asked to resign (and they all were rehired).

As a result of this, now I have to relocate my family to overseas. My wife lost her job back in August (can't work with a H2). We are probably going to have to short sale our house (or maybe lose it to the bank). We are going back as homeless and jobless. I really don't know how long it is going to take us to find a job.

And my employer refuses to even pay for plane tickets. I scheduled an appointment with an attorney next week but I would like to know if we have a right to sue the employer? Can I sue for some severance payment?

Any advice will greatly be appreciated.

It is US employer who need to file GC or First step of GC that is LC. You cant force US employer to file GC for you. If you were in US when you were hired on H1 then Employer dont need to pay Return Air Ticket to your home country. you can hire your lawyer and can find your options.
 
No employer is required to file for a GC for any employee. Your desires have nothing to do with it if you do not qualify for self sponsorship - which you apparently did not.

If you went to the legal office rather than going through your chair, dean, and provost, you overstepped.

And on top of that you stated: " Couple of days passed finally I went to the Dean and told him to approve the attorney's request. " I think this tells why you are in the situation you were in. I cannot imagine even a senior tenured faculty member ordering the dean to so anything. Since the dean has to recommend your continuing employment, your termination/transfer was deserved.

You appear to have done a wonderful job of stabbing yourself in the back with your arrogance and inappropriate behavior going around the chain of command.

You were not even a tenured faculty member - only tenure track. You likely had only a 3 year contract, and they did not have to rehire you if that was the case. In any event, you resigned. You must not be as good as you think you are since they chose someone else in an honest search - as they are required by university policy which is dictated by US laws.

You house and relocation of your family is certainly not the university's problem. Since you did not have even a green card, it was foolish for you to make that purchase.

Sue the university and scratch the opportunity of ever getting a university position again. Why would any university risk hiring you when there are likely a hundred or more qualified applicants for your position given that you are unlikely to get a good recommendation after even the treat of a lawsuit.

No university I know gives severance payments unless they are terminating tenured faculty in special circumstances.

And, it is always your responsibility to know the regulations governing your stay in the US. If you had any questions, you should have hired your own legal counsel to work on your behalf if you were unsatisfied with the responses you were getting from the university's legal team (who have the interests of the university first and foremost).

Finally, no one - not even you - are guaranteed a US green card.
 
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Hello there-
I came to the States 11 years ago with a J1 visa for graduate studies. After completing my degree in 2008, I found an employment at a small university as an assistant professor. When I was hired, my J1 (sevis 2019) had an expiration date of March 25, 2010. My contract started on July 1st, 2008. Within the first week of my employment, I expressed my intent to get a Green Card both to the Human Resources and the Law office contracted by the university to take care of my visa application. I was told that first I need to obtain an H1 visa prior to filling a petition for a GC.

I obtained the waiver for foreign residence requirement on February 2nd, 2010 and the petition for H1B was submitted on March 12th. I immediately contacted with the law office again and requested that we should start the GC process. I didn't receive any response from them. I sent several emails, left several messages, and even personally went to their office only to be told that they were not available. This situation continued until May 2010. On May, I contacted the office of the Legal counsel at the university and informed the director that the law office does not return my calls. I was told that they were waiting for the Dean's approval (I don't know why?). Couple of days passed finally I went to the Dean and told him to approve the attorney's request. Finally on June 24th, I received a request for a meeting. I was told that there is a problem.

In the meeting, the lawyer told me that I am not eligible for GC because I was hired more than 18 months ago. He also mentioned that he didn't even realized this fact until he looked at my file; that this is an ongoing problem and other international faculty also went through this. The only way for me to apply for a GC would be getting re-hired for my position (that would reset the 18 month requirement). Needless to say I was devastated. Finally I went through the whole hiring process again and was one of the finalists but at the end they hired somebody else. Now, as you can imagine, I am really upset.

Even though my intent to file for GC was clear from day one, no one EVER informed me about this 18 months rule (or any other responsibility that I need to fulfill pertaining to my visa application). Not the university or the office of the legal counsel or the lawyers working on my case.

They waited until June 24, six months after the fact . I have been trying to contact with them for months they never returned my calls or emails. Yet they claim it was my responsibility to inform them.

In addition, I also learned that other faculty members who went through the same process (different departments) experienced different things. For example, I was told that the only way for me to apply for a GC is to resign from my tenure track position and become an adjunct faculty so I was forced to resign but I know for a fact that other faculty members were never asked to resign (and they all were rehired).

As a result of this, now I have to relocate my family to overseas. My wife lost her job back in August (can't work with a H2). We are probably going to have to short sale our house (or maybe lose it to the bank). We are going back as homeless and jobless. I really don't know how long it is going to take us to find a job.

And my employer refuses to even pay for plane tickets. I scheduled an appointment with an attorney next week but I would like to know if we have a right to sue the employer? Can I sue for some severance payment?

Any advice will greatly be appreciated.

Just copying for future reference in case OP tries to delete.
 
Wtf?

No employer is required to file for a GC for any employee. Your desires have nothing to do with it if you do not qualify for self sponsorship - which you apparently did not.

I didn't say they are required to file for GC. The issue here is they didn't do their job right in the first place for me to be able to apply for a GC.

If you went to the legal office rather than going through your chair, dean, and provost, you overstepped.

No, I did not. You obviously didn't understand what's going on here then went on trolling based on that misunderstanding.

For the other people who may want to help: Head of the legal Counselling office is the one who hired those third party lawyers. Those lawyers who did not return my calls or emails for months caused the issue. It is logical to go to their boss before anyone else. It is the head of legal counselling office who told me they are still waiting for the Dean's approval which I shouldn't have needed it if my GC is not the employer's problem. I have my contract, the H1 document clearly states that the employer intends to keep me as an employer until 2013 and I am willing to pay for the fees. Also the Dean have already given them the approval to go ahead with my H1B months ago. What's the problem? I have been telling them that I would like to apply for a GC since the beginning of my employment.

You appear to have done a wonderful job of stabbing yourself in the back with your arrogance and inappropriate behavior going around the chain of command.....and the rest of your BS

How old are you, 13? Seriously, if you don't want to help why coming here trying to attack me personally? Again, you obviously don't have a clue what's going on here if you think I am in this situation because I "ordered" to the Dean.

Just copying for future reference in case OP tries to delete.

Why would I delete my original thread? Because some random bigot troll said some BS without even understanding the issue? On the contrary, my question still stands since your nonsense doesn't answer anything.
 
It is US employer who need to file GC or First step of GC that is LC. You cant force US employer to file GC for you. If you were in US when you were hired on H1 then Employer dont need to pay Return Air Ticket to your home country. you can hire your lawyer and can find your options.

Thank you for your response. I didn't know they don't have to pay return tickets if I was here when I was hired. At least I learned that.
 
In the meeting, the lawyer told me that I am not eligible for GC because I was hired more than 18 months ago. He also mentioned that he didn't even realized this fact until he looked at my file; that this is an ongoing problem and other international faculty also went through this. The only way for me to apply for a GC would be getting re-hired for my position (that would reset the 18 month requirement). Needless to say I was devastated. Finally I went through the whole hiring process again and was one of the finalists but at the end they hired somebody else. Now, as you can imagine, I am really upset.

There is no 18 month rule. I think you have been screwed with.
 
There is no 18 month rule. I think you have been screwed with.

There is an 18-months rule for the university teachers. It reads: "The first papers for the green card must be submitted to the Department of Labor no later than 18 months from the date of the offer letter."

How do I know that? Because all respectable universities have resources to inform potential/current foreign employers. Just two examples:

University of Illinois:
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University of Michigan:
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My employer provided absolutely no information or resources to me. When I was first hired, I attended a three-day new employee orientation retreat. No body talked to us about this. There were three international faculty members in that retreat (including myself). Two of us had to go through the re-hiring process. The other person (different department) was never asked to resign from her tenure-track position and was rehired.

It is absurd to say "this is your responsibility" when the employer has a team of so-called "trained-professionals" assigned to assist international faculty. I would have no problem with taking full responsibility for the situation I am in right now, if my employer warned me just once. Anybody with a little bit common sense should see my employer didn't do it's job right.
 
Actually, I have been around universities for nearly 40 years and have seen how the failure to properly respect the chain of command works. If this posting is typical of your dealings with your superiors, it is entirely understandable why you received little support other than that required by university policy which I can assure you is backed by law at all reputable institutions. This type of behavior would doom your tenure decision; I have known very capable and qualified individuals be denied likely due to a disagreement with a single VP. You likely have alienated nearly everyone in your chain of command (dictating actions to the dean - are you crazy?). It very likely affected your rehiring since your superiors - whom you obviously have no respect for - have the final say on hiring decisions. A lowly assistant professor needs to understand his place in the pecking order. It is also the case that they have found an individual more qualified than you for your former position; your interview was a courtesy since you were in the position being filled - and you were a cheap trip.

Actually, you could have stayed on H1B and made your case for a GC based on your own qualifications with no employer sponsorship required (read up on EB1). Sure, it would have taken longer for you to become established (or did you think you could not meet the standards necessary?), but for some reason you wanted to do it fast. You made the choice and lost.

Your entire post has an arrogance beyond belief.

All in all, since you had questions about the handling of your case all along, it was YOUR and only YOUR responsibility to engage your own attorney for advice. Since you would be applying for an employer sponsored GC, there is no requirement that they do so. Learn something from this mistake - like some humility.
 
You stated: "Within the first week of my employment, I expressed my intent to get a Green Card..."

Given that J-1 does not permit immigration intent, you lied in order to obtain the J-1 visa. Some on top of everything else, you violated a vary basic rule - Do not lie to US immigration officials. Had you been honest, you never would have been granted a J1 and would have had to have an H1B from day 1 of your employment.
 
Your entire post has an arrogance beyond belief.
And You are dumb beyond belief!
Your entire argument is based on a false assumption. Not that I have to prove anything to an internet troll but I have absolutely no problem with my superiors and very comfortable with my track record.

Given that J-1 does not permit immigration intent, you lied in order to obtain the J-1 visa. Some on top of everything else, you violated a vary basic rule - Do not lie to US immigration officials. Had you been honest, you never would have been granted a J1 and would have had to have an H1B from day 1 of your employment.

Now you are being funny. Do you really think you can scare me with a bullshit like this? A quick look at your post history reveals that this is not the the only thread you're crapping. You have a habit of trying to scare/discourage people in these forums Mr. "Concerned for US". Let me guess: lost your job to an immigrant? Why don't you go back to fondling yourself while watching John Cena movies, and leave these people alone. You're not fooling anybody. Thanxkbye.
 
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