Strange: New LUD in our I-485 applications approved 5+ years ago

LUD means the last time the system was updated..it doesn't mean that any specific information was updated for your individual case.
People here are reading too much into things, hoping to get some kind of meaning from a system that has a history for not being reliable or up to date.
 
fine&jadwin said:
I wonder if anybody have experienced a similar situation. I and my wife applied for naturalization in August (NOA date 08/20/2009.) We submitted our fingerprints on 09/11. There have been no updates since then. The message still says that on 09/03 RFEs (read FP notes) were sent.
However, our I-485 petitions approved in September 2004 got the new LUD yesterday. Now, the LUD for them says 10/03/2009.

If you have seen something like this, please share. Thanks!
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Why would you even want to check or worry about the status of an application that had been approved 5 years back? Just curious! You are probably getting an anxiety syndrome (:D) for no reason.
 
LUD on I-485

fine&jadwin said:
Hi, psmith,

If I can ask you, what is the LUD of your I-485 petition?
I and spiderman03 would be very curious to know.

Thanks.
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fine&jadwin,
Never thought of checking my I-485 status after I got my GC. I'll try to see if I can check it up. Frankly, I have little faith on the online status thingy. Seems like the status updates are unpredictable, there are accounts on these boards of people who have become USCs in the last few months and their status still seems to read "Received application.." or some such thing. But that does not prevent me from looking up my case on the site (even though I have signed up for email updates). Gives me a chance to complain :rolleyes:
 
richmondva said:
Why would you even want to check or worry about the status of an application that had been approved 5 years back? Just curious! You are probably getting an anxiety syndrome (:D) for no reason.
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I don't think some of us are checking I-485 status with a purpose. If you have online account, login and then you see I-485 LUD changed just the day before the mailing of yellow check list for N-400, it will raise the curiosity. I do have my I-140, I-485 in my USCIS.gov account portfolio before I got my GC in 2004 and I added N-400 to the portfolio now. When some of us reported online status change to RFE when FP's were issued recently, other dimissed it as "reading too much into it" thing. It turned out that it was a new system thing from USCIS. Who knows if this I-485 LUD change could be a new thing in their system. It may be or may not. That's what we are trying to figure out and the only way to know is going by usual statistcis. It doesn't hurt in trying. :) :)
 
richmondva said:
Why would you even want to check or worry about the status of an application that had been approved 5 years back? Just curious! You are probably getting an anxiety syndrome (:D) for no reason.
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How nice :) Zero information plus a medical diagnosis. Thank you.

Actually, I could have applied for the citizenship by mid June. However, I did not want to spoil my summer European trip in July- beginning of August.
It is an annual thing for us. Our parents still live in Europe, so every year I schedule our vacation and my research conferences in Europe during summer.
Therefore, we applied for the citizenship only on our return to the US in August. I am not in a hurry but I have been curious about that LUD- that all. Had we been in a hurry we would have applied on June 12th since our residency started on 09/09/2004 :). Instead, we choose to wwait two months but my wife and my son saw London, Prague, and Berlin. Not bad, right?

I just did not eliminate (for no reason) the I-485s from my portfolio when I updated it with my N-400s. It so happened that I still remembered the password :) As an unintended consequence, every time when I log in I see the LUDs for all four cases.
 
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fine&jadwin said:
How absurd :)

Actually, I just did not eliminate (for no reason) the I-485s from my portfolio when I updated it with my N-400s. As it happened- I still remembered the password :) As an unintended consequence, every time when I log in I see the LUDs for all four cases.
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Same happened to me.
 
spiderman03,

One of the partcipants of the August thread (Colombian PR) was very kind to check the LUD for his I-485. He wrote in the August thread (I copy it here):

"It did change, a few days before [the IL] . "

I just thought that you might want to know this :)
 
fine&jadwin said:
I wonder if anybody have experienced a similar situation. I and my wife applied for naturalization in August (NOA date 08/20/2009.) We submitted our fingerprints on 09/11. There have been no updates since then. The message still says that on 09/03 RFEs (read FP notes) were sent.
However, our I-485 petitions approved in September 2004 got the new LUD yesterday. Now, the LUD for them says 10/03/2009.

If you have seen something like this, please share. Thanks!
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[ Going slightly off topic, pls excuse ] I am going to hazard some speculation as to why this happens. Being in tech field, I have seen similar scenarios in companies ...

Reason #1 - user error.
Reason #2 - bad system design.
Reason #3 - maybe it is designed that way.

I have not done much coding recently, but remember the past systems where someone will press a function key, let's say F6 to save a file, and another function key, let's say F12 to exit without saving. If you go to Amazon or other websites, you will not see function keys but Buy and Go Back or Cancel buttons. Note that it is a slightly different scenario at Amazon if you press the wrong button - you either intend to buy or you do not. You will make sure to cancel an erroneous purchase or to complete a canceled ordering step. It matters which button you press.

Not so with many business (or CIS) systems - depending on the function. If you are reviewing an old file, order, reservation, whatever ... you (the IO) have the ability to save it as well as just get out of the system. It could be just a question of IO pressing the wrong key (knowing it takes to the same end state). Or the IO did not want to move the mouse pointer to the cancel button and quickly hit F12 key and went for coffee. The file gets saved again and there goes the mail to fine&jadwin.

This scenario is what I called as user error.

Why bad design - the software should know that nothing has changed and not do any updates?

Why bad design (2) - the IOs should have a INQUIRY function which only lets them look but allow EDIT only if the file is active, or with extra grants.

Why good design - Maybe the naturalization process requires the IO (or someone) to review the 485 file and mark it as "reviewed for naturalization" and that changes the date. If that were true, 100% of the 485 files should change their LUD. Not sure if this happens.
** I spent 15 minutes trying to reactivate my old account and noticed both my wife's and mine 485 were updated in January, but way before we filed N400. So this theory does not work.

Anyway...
 
fine&jadwin said:
spiderman03,

One of the partcipants of the August thread (Colombian PR) was very kind to check the LUD for his I-485. He wrote in the August thread (I copy it here):

"It did change, a few days before [the IL] . "

I just thought that you might want to know this :)
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Thanks a lot
 
sanjoseaug20 said:
[ Going slightly off topic, pls excuse ] I am going to hazard some speculation as to why this happens. Being in tech field, I have seen similar scenarios in companies ...

Reason #1 - user error.
Reason #2 - bad system design.
Reason #3 - maybe it is designed that way.

I have not done much coding recently, but remember the past systems where someone will press a function key, let's say F6 to save a file, and another function key, let's say F12 to exit without saving. If you go to Amazon or other websites, you will not see function keys but Buy and Go Back or Cancel buttons. Note that it is a slightly different scenario at Amazon if you press the wrong button - you either intend to buy or you do not. You will make sure to cancel an erroneous purchase or to complete a canceled ordering step. It matters which button you press.

Not so with many business (or CIS) systems - depending on the function. If you are reviewing an old file, order, reservation, whatever ... you (the IO) have the ability to save it as well as just get out of the system. It could be just a question of IO pressing the wrong key (knowing it takes to the same end state). Or the IO did not want to move the mouse pointer to the cancel button and quickly hit F12 key and went for coffee. The file gets saved again and there goes the mail to fine&jadwin.

This scenario is what I called as user error.

Why bad design - the software should know that nothing has changed and not do any updates?

Why bad design (2) - the IOs should have a INQUIRY function which only lets them look but allow EDIT only if the file is active, or with extra grants.

Why good design - Maybe the naturalization process requires the IO (or someone) to review the 485 file and mark it as "reviewed for naturalization" and that changes the date. If that were true, 100% of the 485 files should change their LUD. Not sure if this happens.
** I spent 15 minutes trying to reactivate my old account and noticed both my wife's and mine 485 were updated in January, but way before we filed N400. So this theory does not work.

Anyway...
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I have seen people whose I-485 LUD changed even before N-400 filing, some immediately after N-400 filing and some even after oath. My cousin's I-485 LUD changed 3 months after he took oath. That's not what we need to worry about. What matters is the change in I-485 LUD after the FP is done during naturalization process and FBI gives feedback to NBC. I am curious about that time period. Trying to see if the I-485 LUD change is linked to IL notice.
 
Hi,

After reading this thread, I check my portfolio online and whatdya know, there was LUD for the I-485 and the I-756 for my GC I applied a few years back! I'm waiting for my Yellow letter and IL for my N-400 and that hasn't changed. Check my timeline below.
 
My conjecture about LUD for I-485 got some confirmation a few minutes ago :)

Both my and my wife's cases have been trasferred to the local DO.
We received updates a few minutes ago.

Timeline is below.


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DO: Sacramento (myself and spouse)

N-400 sent: 08/17/2009
Package delivered: 08/20/2009
Receipt Note Date: 08/25/2009
FPs email (false RFE): 09/03/2009
FP notes received: 09/11/2009
FP submitted: 09/11/2009
FP original date: 09/17/2009 (not needed)
Both cases trasferred to the local DO: 10/07/2009

LUD for N-400s: 10/07/2009
LUD for I-485: 10/03/2009
 
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fine&jadwin said:
My conjecture about LUD for I-485 got some confirmation a few minutes ago :)

Both my and my wife's cases have been trasferred to the local DO.
We received updates a few minutes ago.

Timeline is below.


****************************
DO: Sacramento (myself and spouse)

N-400 sent: 08/17/2009
Package delivered: 08/20/2009
Receipt Note Date: 08/25/2009
FPs email (false RFE): 09/03/2009
FP notes received: 09/11/2009
FP submitted: 09/17/2009
FP original date: 09/17/2009 (not needed)
Both cases trasferred to the local DO: 10/07/2009

LUD for N-400s: 10/07/2009
LUD for I-485: 10/03/2009
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I filed N-400 on 07/28/2009 and finished FP on 08/25/2009. Then my I-485 LUD changed on 09/27/2009. Then NBC mailed Yellow check list on 09/28/09 and I received it on 10/02/09 but no IL until this minute. Don't know what's going on. Does anybody know if the delay in N-400 update for IL depends on the DO? I come under Chicago DO.
 
spiderman03 said:
I filed N-400 on 07/28/2009 and finished FP on 08/25/2009. Then my I-485 LUD changed on 09/27/2009. Then NBC mailed Yellow check list on 09/28/09 and I received it on 10/02/09 but no IL until this minute. Don't know what's going on. Does anybody know if the delay in N-400 update for IL depends on the DO? I come under Chicago DO.
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At least you got the yellow letter. I had my I-485 LUD changed on 09/27/09 too but I haven't received anything in the mail... not even the yellow letter. So you're slightly better off but sucks for me :(
 
cheerus said:
At least you got the yellow letter. I had my I-485 LUD changed on 09/27/09 too but I haven't received anything in the mail... not even the yellow letter. So you're slightly better off but sucks for me :(
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I wouldn't be worried if I gave FP few days back but it was on 08/25/09 and I saw many of them who did FP in Sep '09 getting IL already. Offcourse there are very few cases which are worse than me. Once the case gets stuck at any stage for no reason, it will take months before we some movement again. That is what I am worried about. Anyway, Yellow letter doesn't give much solace compared to IL. I wouldn't even care if I don't receive the check list because I plan to take every possible document that I can think off for the interview anyway. Once that IL comes in the mail, I can relax for 4 to 5 weeks without any worries and start worrying about the interview few days before it.
 
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Hi, spiderman03,

Have you tried to talk to your local DO? You can try to schedule the infopass appointment so you can confirm that all background checks are done.

Good luck.
 
fine&jadwin said:
Hi, spiderman03,

Have you tried to talk to your local DO? You can try to schedule the infopass appointment so you can confirm that all background checks are done.

Good luck.
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Last week when I called the USCIS 800 number, the 2nd officer (don't know if she is an actual IO but I was trasnferred by the cust rep) confirmed that they got the necessary feedback and everything from my FP's. So, don't know what's the problem. I am single, with two speeding tickets (already carrying court dispositions with me), two trips out of the country in the past 5 years (less than 3 weeks each trip). That's all. Not much to probe in detail with my N-400 application for any IO. I have a clean history except traffic citations. Don't know what can possibly hold things up at this stage. Anyway, I am planning to wait for another 3 weeks before I start thinking about Infopass. I still got some patience left in me though I wish not to go through it :) :) Anyway, if I go now, I am not expecting them to reveal any USEFUL information.
 
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