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Does Canada Require A Visa With The Refugee Travel Document.
Depends on your nationality if you are only an Asylee. If you have a green card, you do not need a visa.
Freedom1963
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Visit Kanada
Hello.
I am GC holder through asylum.I would like to visit my friends who lives in Vancouver/Canada.My travel doument has been expired.
Does anyone have any idea whether I can travel along GC or not?
Please let me know.
Thanks.
Hello.
I am GC holder through asylum.I would like to visit my friends who lives in Vancouver/Canada.My travel doument has been expired.
Does anyone have any idea whether I can travel along GC or not?
Please let me know.
Thanks.
Hello.
I am GC holder through asylum.I would like to visit my friends who lives in Vancouver/Canada.My travel doument has been expired.
Does anyone have any idea whether I can travel along GC or not?
Please let me know.
Thanks.
This question has been asked a number of times. The answer is yes a GC alone is enough. No travel document is needed. Have a good trip.
asyleedec2006
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IT Depends
GC will be enough if he is crossing the border by car or boat, but if he's trying to Fly he needs either Passport or RTD or RP (depending on his status) I work for an airline and those are the last requirements up to date.
Also it depends on your nationality if you need a VISA or not, I went to Canada with RTD only no VISA and I was allowed to enter and they even stamped a VISA like Valid for 6 months (multiple entries) when I enterd in YVR. (they don't require VISA for MEX Citizens)
So go figure....
GC will be enough if he is crossing the border by car or boat, but if he's trying to Fly he needs either Passport or RTD or RP (depending on his status) I work for an airline and those are the last requirements up to date.
Also it depends on your nationality if you need a VISA or not, I went to Canada with RTD only no VISA and I was allowed to enter and they even stamped a VISA like Valid for 6 months (multiple entries) when I enterd in YVR. (they don't require VISA for MEX Citizens)
So go figure....
GC will be enough if he is crossing the border by car or boat, but if he's trying to Fly he needs either Passport or RTD or RP (depending on his status) I work for an airline and those are the last requirements up to date.
Also it depends on your nationality if you need a VISA or not, I went to Canada with RTD only no VISA and I was allowed to enter and they even stamped a VISA like Valid for 6 months (multiple entries) when I enterd in YVR. (they don't require VISA for MEX Citizens)
So go figure....
Freedom1963 is a green card holder. Therefore all he needs to enter Canada from the United States is his green card. It does not matter if he enters by car, by boat or by air. He can verify this by sending an email to the Canadian Consulate in the United States. They will tell him that as a green card holder he needs neither a visa nor a travel document to enter Canada. In other words, no RTD, RP or passport is needed.
The passport requirement that the press has reported on only affects American citizens (pepole like me).
asyleedec2006
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Freedom1963 is a green card holder. Therefore all he needs to enter Canada from the United States is his green card. It does not matter if he enters by car, by boat or by air. He can verify this by sending an email to the Canadian Consulate in the United States. They will tell him that as a green card holder he needs neither a visa nor a travel document to enter Canada. In other words, no RTD, RP or passport is needed.
The passport requirement that the press has reported on only affects American citizens (pepole like me).
Well maybe you can be there when he is trying to board the Plane and they will not allow him to BOARD that's a RULE that is not only for US Citizens Every human in The USA traveling between USA Canada and BERmuda Caribean, Needs a Passport, RTD or other travel document, A GC is not ENOUGH to board a Plane going from the US to Canada.
I deal with 8 Flights Daily from SFO to YVR, and YYJ and we do not allow to board people with out this GC is not enough.
GC is enough to get back to the US but not to enter Canada by Plane.
But if you are so sure you should go with him when he tries to board that plane and he will be denied boarding. Maybe you can tell what you know to the Airline personnel.
By the way it does matter how he enters Canada as I said if he goes by plane is very different as if he goes by land or sea.
Look at this.
http://www.aircanada.com/en/travelinfo/before/traveldoc.html
All passengers including Canadian and U.S. citizens are required to present a valid passport when travelling by air to and from the United States. We strongly recommend customers not holding valid passports apply for new ones well in advance of travel plans.
It says ALL PASSENGERS not ONLY US CITIZENS.
Well maybe you can be there when he is trying to board the Plane and they will not allow him to BOARD that's a RULE that is not only for US Citizens Every human in The USA traveling between USA Canada and BERmuda Caribean, Needs a Passport, RTD or other travel document, A GC is not ENOUGH to board a Plane going from the US to Canada.
I deal with 8 Flights Daily from SFO to YVR, and YYJ and we do not allow to board people with out this GC is not enough.
GC is enough to get back to the US but not to enter Canada by Plane.
But if you are so sure you should go with him when he tries to board that plane and he will be denied boarding. Maybe you can tell what you know to the Airline personnel.
By the way it does matter how he enters Canada as I said if he goes by plane is very different as if he goes by land or sea.
Look at this.
http://www.aircanada.com/en/travelinfo/before/traveldoc.html
All passengers including Canadian and U.S. citizens are required to present a valid passport when travelling by air to and from the United States. We strongly recommend customers not holding valid passports apply for new ones well in advance of travel plans.
It says ALL PASSENGERS not ONLY US CITIZENS.
I travelled to Canada twice in October by air with only a green card. Fortunately I encountered airport persons and immigration officers who understood the laws of both countries.
This comes from the horse's mouth, the Department of Homeland Security (http://www.dhs.gov/xtrvlsec/crossingborders/whtibasics.shtm"
Western Hemisphere Travel Initiative: The Basics
Get e-mail updates when this information changes
Traveling to Canada, Mexico and Bermuda by Air
Traveling to Canada, Mexico and Bermuda by Land/Sea
Passport Requirements
Other Acceptable Documents
Traveling To and From U.S. Territories
Presenting Insufficient Documentation
About the Initiative
Traveling to Canada, Mexico and Bermuda by Air
U.S. citizens and citizens of Canada, Mexico and Bermuda traveling by air between the U.S. and Canada, Mexico, Central and South America, the Caribbean, and Bermuda are required to present a valid passport or other WHTI-compliant documentation to enter (or depart) the U.S.
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Traveling to Canada, Mexico and Bermuda by Land/Sea
Beginning January 31, 2008, the Department plans to move towards WHTI implementation at land and sea ports of entry by ending the routine practice of accepting oral declarations of citizenship alone.
Citizens of the United States, Canda, Bermuda and Mexico will need to present the following to enter or depart the United States by land or sea:
U.S. and Canadian Citizens
Ages 19 and older: a government-issued photo ID, such as a driver’s license, along with proof of citizenship, such as a birth certificate or naturalization certificate
Children ages 18 and younger: proof of citizenship, such as a birth certificate.
Passports and trusted traveler program cards - NEXUS, SENTRI and FAST - will continue to be accepted for cross-border travel.
Citizens from Bermuda
Passport issued by the Government of Bermuda or the United Kingdom.
Citizens from Mexico
As under current entry requirements, Mexican nationals, regardless of age, must present a passport issued by the Government of Mexico and a visa, or a valid Form DSP-150, B-1/B-2 laser visa (Border Crossing Card).
Trusted traveler program cards - NEXUS, SENTRI and FAST - will continue to be accepted for cross-border travel.
Back To Top
Passport Requirements
All citizens of the United States, Canada, Mexico, and Bermuda are now required to present a valid passport when entering the United States at any airport as of January 23, 2007. This includes:
Children of any age, including children of Legal Permanent Residents who are United States citizens.
Mexican citizens who have a Border Crossing Card (BCC) when entering the United States by air. (The BCC is still valid in lieu of a passport and visa for land border crossings within the border region.) The BCC may be used as a visa.
Back To Top
Other Acceptable Documents
In some cases, other documents may be accepted when entering or departing the United States by air.
A limited number of travelers may present either:
Alien Registration Card, Form I-551, Legal Permanent Residents will continue to be able to use their Alien Registration Card (Form I-551), issued by the Department of Homeland Security, or other valid evidence of permanent residence status to apply for entry to the United States.
Merchant Mariner Document (MMD) or “z-card” issued by the U.S. Coast Guard that will be acceptable for use under WHTI by U.S. citizen merchant mariners traveling on official business.
NEXUS Air card in conjunction with the NEXUS program at designated NEXUS sites. The NEXUS program is limited to citizens of Canada and the United States, lawful permanent residents of the United States and permanent residents of Canada. See information on enrolling in the NEXUS program.
U.S. Military Traveling on Orders. There are no changes proposed for members of the U.S. armed forces traveling on active duty. Currently, an individual traveling as a member of the U.S. armed forces on active duty is not required to present a valid passport to enter or depart the United States. Note: Spouses and dependents of these military members will be required to present a passport (and valid visa, if applicable) when traveling into the United States under WHTI.
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Traveling To and From U.S. Territories
U.S. Citizens traveling to and returning directly from a U.S. territory are not considered to have left the U.S. territory and do not need to present a passport.
U.S. territories include:
American Samoa
Guam
Northern Mariana Islands
Puerto Rico
Swains Island
U.S. Virgin Islands
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Presenting Insufficient Documentation
For the general public, people who apply for entry but do not have appropriate documentation will likely be referred for secondary screening at the port. In secondary, Customs and Border Protection (CBP) officers will evaluate any evidence of citizenship or identity the individual may have and will verify all information against available databases.
For foreign nationals, a determination will be made at that time whether to admit the individual or not. However, to prevent delay at the ports of entry, we would encourage all travelers to obtain the appropriate documents before they travel.
In addition, the State Department has processes to assist U.S. citizens overseas to obtain emergency travel documentation for those with lost or stolen passports.
Back To Top
About the Initiative
The Western Hemisphere Travel Initiative (WHTI) requires all citizens of the United States, Canada, Mexico, and Bermuda to have a passport or other accepted document that establishes the bearer’s identity and nationality to enter or depart the United States from within the Western Hemisphere.
The travel document requirements make up the departments of State and Homeland Security’s Western Hemisphere Travel Initiative (WHTI). This change in travel document requirements is the result of recommendations made by the 9/11 Commission, which Congress subsequently passed into law in the Intelligence Reform and Terrorism Prevention Act of 2004.
This travel initiative is being implemented in two phases. The first phase will be for air travel, and the second for land/sea travel.
Western Hemisphere Travel Initiative: The Basics
Get e-mail updates when this information changes
Traveling to Canada, Mexico and Bermuda by Air
Traveling to Canada, Mexico and Bermuda by Land/Sea
Passport Requirements
Other Acceptable Documents
Traveling To and From U.S. Territories
Presenting Insufficient Documentation
About the Initiative
Traveling to Canada, Mexico and Bermuda by Air
U.S. citizens and citizens of Canada, Mexico and Bermuda traveling by air between the U.S. and Canada, Mexico, Central and South America, the Caribbean, and Bermuda are required to present a valid passport or other WHTI-compliant documentation to enter (or depart) the U.S.
Back To Top
Traveling to Canada, Mexico and Bermuda by Land/Sea
Beginning January 31, 2008, the Department plans to move towards WHTI implementation at land and sea ports of entry by ending the routine practice of accepting oral declarations of citizenship alone.
Citizens of the United States, Canda, Bermuda and Mexico will need to present the following to enter or depart the United States by land or sea:
U.S. and Canadian Citizens
Ages 19 and older: a government-issued photo ID, such as a driver’s license, along with proof of citizenship, such as a birth certificate or naturalization certificate
Children ages 18 and younger: proof of citizenship, such as a birth certificate.
Passports and trusted traveler program cards - NEXUS, SENTRI and FAST - will continue to be accepted for cross-border travel.
Citizens from Bermuda
Passport issued by the Government of Bermuda or the United Kingdom.
Citizens from Mexico
As under current entry requirements, Mexican nationals, regardless of age, must present a passport issued by the Government of Mexico and a visa, or a valid Form DSP-150, B-1/B-2 laser visa (Border Crossing Card).
Trusted traveler program cards - NEXUS, SENTRI and FAST - will continue to be accepted for cross-border travel.
Back To Top
Passport Requirements
All citizens of the United States, Canada, Mexico, and Bermuda are now required to present a valid passport when entering the United States at any airport as of January 23, 2007. This includes:
Children of any age, including children of Legal Permanent Residents who are United States citizens.
Mexican citizens who have a Border Crossing Card (BCC) when entering the United States by air. (The BCC is still valid in lieu of a passport and visa for land border crossings within the border region.) The BCC may be used as a visa.
Back To Top
Other Acceptable Documents
In some cases, other documents may be accepted when entering or departing the United States by air.
A limited number of travelers may present either:
Alien Registration Card, Form I-551, Legal Permanent Residents will continue to be able to use their Alien Registration Card (Form I-551), issued by the Department of Homeland Security, or other valid evidence of permanent residence status to apply for entry to the United States.
Merchant Mariner Document (MMD) or “z-card” issued by the U.S. Coast Guard that will be acceptable for use under WHTI by U.S. citizen merchant mariners traveling on official business.
NEXUS Air card in conjunction with the NEXUS program at designated NEXUS sites. The NEXUS program is limited to citizens of Canada and the United States, lawful permanent residents of the United States and permanent residents of Canada. See information on enrolling in the NEXUS program.
U.S. Military Traveling on Orders. There are no changes proposed for members of the U.S. armed forces traveling on active duty. Currently, an individual traveling as a member of the U.S. armed forces on active duty is not required to present a valid passport to enter or depart the United States. Note: Spouses and dependents of these military members will be required to present a passport (and valid visa, if applicable) when traveling into the United States under WHTI.
Back To Top
Traveling To and From U.S. Territories
U.S. Citizens traveling to and returning directly from a U.S. territory are not considered to have left the U.S. territory and do not need to present a passport.
U.S. territories include:
American Samoa
Guam
Northern Mariana Islands
Puerto Rico
Swains Island
U.S. Virgin Islands
Back To Top
Presenting Insufficient Documentation
For the general public, people who apply for entry but do not have appropriate documentation will likely be referred for secondary screening at the port. In secondary, Customs and Border Protection (CBP) officers will evaluate any evidence of citizenship or identity the individual may have and will verify all information against available databases.
For foreign nationals, a determination will be made at that time whether to admit the individual or not. However, to prevent delay at the ports of entry, we would encourage all travelers to obtain the appropriate documents before they travel.
In addition, the State Department has processes to assist U.S. citizens overseas to obtain emergency travel documentation for those with lost or stolen passports.
Back To Top
About the Initiative
The Western Hemisphere Travel Initiative (WHTI) requires all citizens of the United States, Canada, Mexico, and Bermuda to have a passport or other accepted document that establishes the bearer’s identity and nationality to enter or depart the United States from within the Western Hemisphere.
The travel document requirements make up the departments of State and Homeland Security’s Western Hemisphere Travel Initiative (WHTI). This change in travel document requirements is the result of recommendations made by the 9/11 Commission, which Congress subsequently passed into law in the Intelligence Reform and Terrorism Prevention Act of 2004.
This travel initiative is being implemented in two phases. The first phase will be for air travel, and the second for land/sea travel.
As the above states, the passport requirement applies ONLY to United States citizens and citizens of Canada and Bermuda. It does not apply to green card holders. The page then goes on to state that yes indeed the green card is the only document you need to enter the United States.
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anotheryear
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the law is clear
This topic for some reason comes up here every now and then. A green card by itself IS sufficent. It is pointless (it borders on the ignorant) to argue otherwise. I fly to Canada at least once monthly (three times in this past November). Not once did I run into an issue for using a green card alone. Canada admits you with a green card alone and United States permits you to return on the basis of your green card alone (btw American immigration inspects people at the Canadian airports). The airline people I deal with are fully informed of this basic rule.
asyleedec2006, with all due respect you better re-read the manual your boss gave you; because if you deny a GC holder boarding b/c he does not have a travel document that he is NOT required by the law of Canada or of the United States to have you could find yourself facing penalties up to and including dismissal from your company. You will not have a good faith defense either because every single document published by the DHS says that green card is all you need to return from Canada. You could even get your immediate boss in trouble for not properly training you.
Anybody who wants an OFFICIAL answer contact the Canadian Embassy and they will confirm this to you in writing (email).
If anyone wants to ask me any further questions about the US-Canada traveling just ask.
This topic for some reason comes up here every now and then. A green card by itself IS sufficent. It is pointless (it borders on the ignorant) to argue otherwise. I fly to Canada at least once monthly (three times in this past November). Not once did I run into an issue for using a green card alone. Canada admits you with a green card alone and United States permits you to return on the basis of your green card alone (btw American immigration inspects people at the Canadian airports). The airline people I deal with are fully informed of this basic rule.
asyleedec2006, with all due respect you better re-read the manual your boss gave you; because if you deny a GC holder boarding b/c he does not have a travel document that he is NOT required by the law of Canada or of the United States to have you could find yourself facing penalties up to and including dismissal from your company. You will not have a good faith defense either because every single document published by the DHS says that green card is all you need to return from Canada. You could even get your immediate boss in trouble for not properly training you.
Anybody who wants an OFFICIAL answer contact the Canadian Embassy and they will confirm this to you in writing (email).
If anyone wants to ask me any further questions about the US-Canada traveling just ask.
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anotheryear
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For something is that free of legal mumbo-jumbo, read this document: http://fpc.state.gov/fpc/78924.htm
That rule is going to require individuals who are traveling by air, whether private aircraft or commercial, to have a passport for the most part. That includes U.S. citizens, Canadians, Bermudians, and every other type of traveler coming to the United States -- will be required to have that passport.
There are certain exceptions that we're going to have to that requirement. We are going to utilize our Air NEXUS Card. That is a card that we currently have being used in Vancouver Airport. It's a joint program with the Canadians. And if someone arrives with that card at one of our Air Nexus locations, we will accept it. We will continue to accept the Lawful Permanent Resident Card for residents of the United States, and we
will also accept the Merchant Marine Card, the card that is issued to U.S. citizens who are Merchant Mariners.
That rule is going to require individuals who are traveling by air, whether private aircraft or commercial, to have a passport for the most part. That includes U.S. citizens, Canadians, Bermudians, and every other type of traveler coming to the United States -- will be required to have that passport.
There are certain exceptions that we're going to have to that requirement. We are going to utilize our Air NEXUS Card. That is a card that we currently have being used in Vancouver Airport. It's a joint program with the Canadians. And if someone arrives with that card at one of our Air Nexus locations, we will accept it. We will continue to accept the Lawful Permanent Resident Card for residents of the United States, and we
will also accept the Merchant Marine Card, the card that is issued to U.S. citizens who are Merchant Mariners.
anotheryear
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The following is the ful text of an email message from the Consulate General of Canada in Los Angeles that disposes of all questions everyone might have on this topic. READ THE LAST PARAGRAPH. Anyone who wants to verify this can just email them (asylee2006 needs more serious on the job training):
A new United States' law requires all travellers, including US citizens,
entering or returning to the U.S. by air to have a valid passport
effective 23 January, 2007. Though Canadian entry requirements have not
changed all persons travelling by air from Canada to the U.S., will be
required to have a passport.
Similar requirements under the Western Hemisphere Travel Initiative will
apply to all travellers entering the U.S. by sea and through land border
crossings as early as January, 2008. An alternative travel document (a
passport card) is being developed by the U.S. government for US citizens
and is expected to be available before the end of 2007.
Persons travelling by air and returning to the U.S. prior to 23 January,
2007, will continue to be allowed entry upon presentation of
satisfactory evidence of identity and citizenship. Similarly, no
documentation change is foreseen for persons entering or returning to
the U.S. by sea or by land before January, 2008.
These new requirements do not apply to legal permanent residents (LPR)
of the United States. LPRs will continue to be able to use their Alien
Registration Card (Form I-551), issued by DHS, or other valid evidence
of permanent residence status to apply for entry to the United States.
Children of LPRs who are US citizens, however, will be subject to the
new passport requirements
Immigration Section
Canadian Consulate General
550 S Hope Street, 9th Floor
Los Angeles, CA 90071
Fax: 213 625 7154
http://www.losangeles.gc.ca
A new United States' law requires all travellers, including US citizens,
entering or returning to the U.S. by air to have a valid passport
effective 23 January, 2007. Though Canadian entry requirements have not
changed all persons travelling by air from Canada to the U.S., will be
required to have a passport.
Similar requirements under the Western Hemisphere Travel Initiative will
apply to all travellers entering the U.S. by sea and through land border
crossings as early as January, 2008. An alternative travel document (a
passport card) is being developed by the U.S. government for US citizens
and is expected to be available before the end of 2007.
Persons travelling by air and returning to the U.S. prior to 23 January,
2007, will continue to be allowed entry upon presentation of
satisfactory evidence of identity and citizenship. Similarly, no
documentation change is foreseen for persons entering or returning to
the U.S. by sea or by land before January, 2008.
These new requirements do not apply to legal permanent residents (LPR)
of the United States. LPRs will continue to be able to use their Alien
Registration Card (Form I-551), issued by DHS, or other valid evidence
of permanent residence status to apply for entry to the United States.
Children of LPRs who are US citizens, however, will be subject to the
new passport requirements
Immigration Section
Canadian Consulate General
550 S Hope Street, 9th Floor
Los Angeles, CA 90071
Fax: 213 625 7154
http://www.losangeles.gc.ca
I asked this very question here not too long ago and was told that no travel document was needed. So I flew from Florida to Canada. Green card only--no question asked by airline or immigration. They all understood that a green card was enough by itself. The DHS knows about it; the Canadian immigration knows about it.
GC will be enough if he is crossing the border by car or boat, but if he's trying to Fly he needs either Passport or RTD or RP (depending on his status) I work for an airline and those are the last requirements up to date.
Also it depends on your nationality if you need a VISA or not, I went to Canada with RTD only no VISA and I was allowed to enter and they even stamped a VISA like Valid for 6 months (multiple entries) when I enterd in YVR. (they don't require VISA for MEX Citizens)
So go figure....
I am suprised to say the least. RTD doesn't prove your citezenship other than being refugee in the US. How came they accepted your Mexican citizenship with RTD only. Did you show them Mexican passport?
asyleedec2006
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Yes it does it says where r you from, in mine it says MEXIC.
asyleedec2006
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REGARDING Denied Boarding, I do not Deny Boarding to People because I want to. This are Orders I follow, Airlines can Deny Boarding anytime for many reasons, you guys wanna know why? The fines are so High, thousands of Dollars for stupid little mistakes Airlines do not want to take chances when playing with safety or legal issues. They rather deny boarding or refund your money that getting Fined with thousands of Dollars.
All I know at this point at work is that We do not check people in with GC only. I am glad you all guys never come across with difficulties traveling with GC only but after October 1st We do not even let Mexican Citizens to depart the US with out their passports and a Valid Visa to return to the US. (another thing I did not make or invent)
So they may be wrong but is their Choice.
All I know at this point at work is that We do not check people in with GC only. I am glad you all guys never come across with difficulties traveling with GC only but after October 1st We do not even let Mexican Citizens to depart the US with out their passports and a Valid Visa to return to the US. (another thing I did not make or invent)
So they may be wrong but is their Choice.
REGARDING Denied Boarding, I do not Deny Boarding to People because I want to. This are Orders I follow, Airlines can Deny Boarding anytime for many reasons, you guys wanna know why? The fines are so High, thousands of Dollars for stupid little mistakes Airlines do not want to take chances when playing with safety or legal issues. They rather deny boarding or refund your money that getting Fined with thousands of Dollars.
All I know at this point at work is that We do not check people in with GC only. I am glad you all guys never come across with difficulties traveling with GC only but after October 1st We do not even let Mexican Citizens to depart the US with out their passports and a Valid Visa to return to the US. (another thing I did not make or invent)
So they may be wrong but is their Choice.
Do you mind letting us know which airline you work for? If you do not want to disclose that we can certainly understand and do not worry. Last time I flew on U.S. air. This weekend I will be flying Air Canada--I have familiy in BC.