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REAL ID Act Update

License bill nears passage by Congress
By Lisa Friedman
Washington Bureau


Wednesday, April 27, 2005 - Congress this week will adopt a measure denying driver licenses to illegal immigrants, the chairman of the House Appropriations Committee confirmed Wednesday.

The provision, which Rep. Jerry Lewis, R-Redlands, said will be part of the $81 billion war- spending package the House and Senate are expected to pass this week, requires states to verify the citizenship or legal status of anyone applying for a driver license.

States that want to issue licenses to illegal immigrants will have to indicate on the documents that they cannot be used for federal identification purposes like boarding a plane or entering a federal building.

"There is a great urgency that people are expressing very clearly to us,' Lewis said Wednesday.

Lewis' assurance combined with President Bush's backing makes it all but certain the controversial measure will become the law of the land. Other parts of what is known on Capitol Hill as the REAL ID Act, like a measure restricting asylum laws, still may face changes, sources said. [please do not take away the cap removal, take away the asylum restrictions--note by "thankful"]

Sen. Thad Cochran, R-Miss., chairman of the Senate Appropriations Committee, vowed Wednesday that lawmakers would wrap up the supplemental spending bill for Iraq and Afghanistan by the week's end.

Rep. David Dreier, R-Glendora, said he is pleased that "the heart' of the REAL ID Act will become law.

"We have said from the beginning of this debate that this is a national security bill, and border security is national security,' he said.

Democrats, civil libertarians and advocates for illegal immigrants denounced the measure while continuing to hold out hope for last-minute changes.

"Maybe there's going to be some trade-offs,' Rep. Hilda Solis, D-El Monte, speculated. Sen. Harry Reid, D-Nevada, vowed to fight the provisions.

Douglas Rivlin, spokesman for the National Immigration Forum, said with a three-year deadline for states and no funding offered along with mandates to change licenses, "We're looking at every driver's license in the country for every person being invalid.'

He also said he believes the bill will lead to more unlicensed and uninsured drivers on the road while doing nothing to secure the country.

Currently 10 states allow illegal immigrants to obtain licenses. California does not.

"You can't get a driver's license if you're an undocumented alien in California, so there's no undocumented aliens in California, right?' Rivlin said. "This is a political strategy, not a security strategy.'

Also under the REAL ID Act, the government will be authorized to waive environmental laws in order to complete a two-mile stretch of fence being built near San Diego along the Mexico border.

House and Senate negotiators also will be considering an amendment by Sen. Robert Byrd, D-West Virginia to add $380 million for border agents and holding beds.

-- Lisa Friedman can be reached at (202) 662-8731 or by e-mail at lisa.friedman@langnews.com .
 
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You know how its going to work out...They(dems) will force to remove asylum restrictions and then the cap will be removed also(by the gop). In the end, the final bill may just be the drivers license crap and thats it...seinsenbrenner will be happy so thats what it will count..Immigration etc will be in another future bill.I think...

Cap wont be lifted..i can bet my month's mortgage on that..
 
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wantmygcnow said:
You know how its going to work out...They will try to force to remove asylum restrictions and then the cap will be removed also. In the end, the final bill may just be the drivers license crap and thats it...seinsenbrenner will be happy so thats what it will count..Immigration etc will be in another future bill.I think...

Cap wont be lifted..i can bet my month's mortgage on that..


Bush did say that he supported the new asylum bars if and only if Congress took away the 10K cap. Hope he is a man of his words.
 
wantmygcnow said:
You know how its going to work out...They will try to force to remove asylum restrictions and then the cap will be removed also. In the end, the final bill may just be the drivers license crap and thats it...seinsenbrenner will be happy so thats what it will count..Immigration etc will be in another future bill.I think...

Cap wont be lifted..i can bet my month's mortgage on that..


The driver's license stuff is not exactly revolutionary. Illegal immigrants cannot be licensed in 41/50 states (plus DC) anyway.
 
Its not revolutionary but if you ask a normal soccer mom about that..she may tell you that it is revolutionay...Most of the U.S citizens take getting a DL or a U.S passport for granted..so if they hear that "Real ID will protect our nation by not allowing terrorists to get a DL." They will say Good job..but they dont know that anyone with a passport can board the plane..Even if the 9/11 hijackers didnt have a DL..they could've used their saudi passports...no big deal..!

Also even if this bill is enacted...states "CAN" issue drivers license...Also you go and poll the illegals that if they are willing to travel on a plane..most dont even want to move from one state to another state..they are scared to get caught....How the hell will it really help security..is beyond my head..
 
I have been checking the news in the last hour and I did not find whether the Real ID has been passed or not by the senate.

Maybe tomorrow. :mad:
 
I wouldn't want to speed up my green card for the price of asylum restrictions. Imagine that some guy would come to USA like u and me did and ask for help to SAVE HIS LIFE like I did, not political asylum but saving a life. and will be returned home because of this law. I don't think that any of us should support it because we all been in the above descibed situation. I really want to get GC faster but not that way. You and me will get GC eventually but somebody can die because of this law. This somebody could be me or any of us. Think about it people.
 
ayyubov said:
I wouldn't want to speed up my green card for the price of asylum restrictions. Imagine that some guy would come to USA like u and me did and ask for help to SAVE HIS LIFE like I did, not political asylum but saving a life. and will be returned home because of this law. I don't think that any of us should support it because we all been in the above descibed situation. I really want to get GC faster but not that way. You and me will get GC eventually but somebody can die because of this law. This somebody could be me or any of us. Think about it people.


I agree with you ayyubov. The only good thing for me in this bill is the cap removal, the other issues are so bad for people who will be asking for asylum.
 
ayyubov said:
I wouldn't want to speed up my green card for the price of asylum restrictions. Imagine that some guy would come to USA like u and me did and ask for help to SAVE HIS LIFE like I did, not political asylum but saving a life. and will be returned home because of this law. I don't think that any of us should support it because we all been in the above descibed situation. I really want to get GC faster but not that way. You and me will get GC eventually but somebody can die because of this law. This somebody could be me or any of us. Think about it people.
I wish everyone has your spirit. I really want to commend you for that.
 
ayyubov said:
I wouldn't want to speed up my green card for the price of asylum restrictions. Imagine that some guy would come to USA like u and me did and ask for help to SAVE HIS LIFE like I did, not political asylum but saving a life. and will be returned home because of this law. I don't think that any of us should support it because we all been in the above descibed situation. I really want to get GC faster but not that way. You and me will get GC eventually but somebody can die because of this law. This somebody could be me or any of us. Think about it people.


Right. The asylum restrictions are too high a price to pay for the removal of the asylee cap.
 
Yah and now you guys woke up! what happened to all the damn faxes that were sent??..including me...!! Where was ayyuvbov then ?? The faxes we sent were useless..they may or may not have changed a senators mind?
 
wantmygcnow said:
Yah and now you guys woke up! what happened to all the damn faxes that were sent??..including me...!! Where was ayyuvbov then ?? The faxes we sent were useless..they may or may not have changed a senators mind?

I never sent any faxes. Hey it's just my opinion. People are different. Whoever thinks: hell with future asylees let me just get my GC, can think that way. It's a free country.
 
I donot know how hard to get asylum status if that Real ID act become law. I think, at least, CIS or IJ would, and still, could issue asylum to the person who need it.
The CAP is the biggest problem for asylee, and those applying asylum status.


canterbury2 said:
Right. The asylum restrictions are too high a price to pay for the removal of the asylee cap.
 
Chris Jones said:
I donot know how hard to get asylum status if that Real ID act become law. I think, at least, CIS or IJ would, and still, could issue asylum to the person who need it.
The CAP is the biggest problem for asylee, and those applying asylum status.


How is it a problem? I don't have any problems waiting for my GC. Lets share our opinions why and how is it a problem? The problem is when u applying for asylum and getting denied - Thats a problem.
 
ayyubov...wake up man!

While your GC is pending, you can't travel with authority. You are always an asylee but with GC you are a Permanent resident..You have more rights. You can become citizen as the time goes by. You can apply for your spouse even though it takes 4-5 years to get a VISA..You can travel to canada without a passport and GC only and NO VISA...

Everyone knows what GC is..no one knows what an asylee is...Asylee is looked upon badly when you travel or if you mention to someone that you are an asylee..a PR doesnt get that...

A G.C can get you a Rentry permit which is valid for 2 years..isntead of the RTD....I can go on and on and on and on and on....

DId i mention getting anything from a home mortgage to a car loan is easier with a G.C in hand?

OH yes and you stop dealing with USCIS..in terms of G.C! thats a major one..I mean now most asylees who have their gC to be adjsuted this year..wait everyday to see if anything changed...It can get emotional for some people....

Asylee is just a mess!..
 
wantmygcnow said:
ayyubov...wake up man!

While your GC is pending, you can't travel with authority. You are always an asylee but with GC you are a Permanent resident..You have more rights. You can become citizen as the time goes by. You can apply for your spouse even though it takes 4-5 years to get a VISA..You can travel to canada without a passport and GC only and NO VISA...

Everyone knows what GC is..no one knows what an asylee is...Asylee is looked upon badly when you travel or if you mention to someone that you are an asylee..a PR doesnt get that...

A G.C can get you a Rentry permit which is valid for 2 years..isntead of the RTD....I can go on and on and on and on and on....

DId i mention getting anything from a home mortgage to a car loan is easier with a G.C in hand?

OH yes and you stop dealing with USCIS..in terms of G.C! thats a major one..I mean now most asylees who have their gC to be adjsuted this year..wait everyday to see if anything changed...It can get emotional for some people....

Asylee is just a mess!..

I totally knew all that. It's just not fair to other people who might be in danger. Trust me I would love to get a GC as fast as possible.
 
We fully know that being in asylum status is not ideal and we all want to have our green cards without undue delays. But I just do not think it is appropriate to have the cap removed at the expense of having impossibly onerous requirements imposed on future asylum applicants.
 
canterbury2 said:
We fully know that being in asylum status is not ideal and we all want to have our green cards without undue delays. But I just do not think it is appropriate to have the cap removed at the expense of having impossibly onerous requirements imposed on future asylum applicants.

Very good. I think the same way. apparently u r not that bad :).
 
ayyubov said:
Very good. I think the same way. apparently u r not that bad :).


We need to have empathy toward asylum seekers who will come after us. For the most part they are people in desperate circumstances trying to make a legal case in a foreign land. The law should be designed to give them every benefit of the doubt rather than the ridiculous elements of the REAL ID Act.
 
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canterbury2 said:
We need to have empathy toward asylum seekers who will come after us. For the most part they are people in desperate circumstances trying to make a legal case in a foreign land. The law should be designed to give them every benefit of the doubt rather than the ridiculous elements of the REAL ID Act.


Canterbury2, I admire you. Sure people should have sympathy on any others for most of us had the same experiences as they are experiencing now.

good luck to you!
 
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