RE: Pre-Approval Needed to Travel to USA - 06/03/08

rick92

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http://www.cbp.gov/xp/cgov/newsroom/news_releases/06032008.xml

DHS Announces Pre-Travel Authorization for U.S.-Bound Travelers from Visa Waiver Countries

(Tuesday, June 03, 2008)
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Washington – The U.S. Department of Homeland Security announced today the Interim Final Rule for the Electronic System for Travel Authorization (ESTA), a new online system that is part of the Visa Waiver Program and is required by the Implementing Recommendations of the 9/11 Commission Act of 2007.


“Rather than relying on paper-based procedures, this system will leverage 21st century electronic means to obtain basic information about who is traveling to the U.S. without a visa,” said Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff. “Getting this information in advance enables our frontline personnel to determine whether a visa-free traveler presents a threat, before boarding an aircraft or arriving on our shores. It is a relatively simple and effective way to strengthen our security, and that of international travelers, while helping to preserve an important program for key allies.”


Once ESTA is mandatory, all nationals or citizens of visa waiver countries who plan to travel to the United States for temporary business or pleasure under the VWP will need to receive an electronic travel authorization prior to boarding a U.S.-bound airplane or cruise ship. The requirement will go into effect next year and does not affect U.S. citizens traveling overseas.


Currently, citizens of VWP countries complete a written I-94W form providing basic biographical, travel, and eligibility information while en-route to the U.S. With ESTA, VWP travelers will provide this information online prior to departure for the U.S.

ESTA will determine, almost immediately in many cases, if an individual is eligible for VWP travel, and if such travel poses any law enforcement or security risks. ESTA applications may be submitted at any time prior to travel, and once approved, will be valid for up to two years or until the applicant’s passport expires, whichever comes first. Authorizations will also be valid for multiple entries into the U.S. To facilitate the authorization process, DHS recommends that ESTA applications be submitted as soon as an applicant begins planning U.S.-bound travel, and not less than 72 hours prior to travel.


On Aug. 1, 2008, the department will begin to accept voluntary applications through the ESTA Web site at https://esta.cbp.dhs.gov/. Until ESTA is mandatory for all VWP travelers, however, ESTA applicants will also still need to complete an I-94W form en-route, for presentation at a U.S. port of entry. The Secretary of Homeland Security is anticipated to publish a notice in the Federal Register by mid-November 2008, announcing implementation of mandatory ESTA requirements on Jan. 12, 2009.


Last fiscal year, the U.S. welcomed more than 15 million VWP visitors. For more information about ESTA, please visit CBP.gov's Travel Section. ( Travel )


U.S. Customs and Border Protection is the unified border agency within the Department of Homeland Security charged with the management, control and protection of our nation's borders at and between the official ports of entry. CBP is charged with keeping terrorists and terrorist weapons out of the country while enforcing hundreds of U.S. laws.


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Phone: (202) 282-8010
 
It is optional for now, but it will most likely (unless it is shot down) become mandatory starting next year. I am actually thinking about trying the system on myself, see if it would let me travel ;)
 
More than that it is not at all relevant on the citizenship where most people would already be permanent residents or US Citizens.

The new program though will be good when it is implemented fully for VWP countries. I still remember having to fill the green forms on entry after a 15 hour or so non-stop flight from Australia. I wish they would get rid of all forms for international travel in all countries. They should collect the information at the paper visa stage, or at the air-ticket booking stage. The same information is entered over and over again at various stages.


This is an optional program. The title of this thread is misleading.
 
I think, unfortunately, a VWP visitor would still have to fill the green I-94 in addition to this electronic prescreening. Furthermore, I think the website to provide the information won't be up until August.
 
I think, unfortunately, a VWP visitor would still have to fill the green I-94 in addition to this electronic prescreening. Furthermore, I think the website to provide the information won't be up until August.
The online version will begin accepting ESTA applications from VWP visitors Aug 1, and starting Jan 12 2008, VWP visitors with prior ESTA approval won't have to fill out I-94W anymore. ESTA approval is good for 2 year period, or until passport expires..whichever happens first. Although no fee is required at first, but eventually they may impose one.
 
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Mandatory Jan 12 , 2009 - 7 months from now

This is an optional program. The title of this thread is misleading.

Sorry but this program will be mandatory. And it is relevant to the citizenship forum bcs some of us are not citizens yet and the way USCIS is running things, it might be a long time before US Citizenship.-

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Sorry but this program will be mandatory. And it is relevant to the citizenship forum bcs some of us are not citizens yet and the way USCIS is running things, it might be a long time before US Citizenship.-
But it still won't apply to people on visas or green cards. It is for people on the visa waiver program ... people who don't even have an F1 or H1 or L1. People who have US citizenship on their radar would have some kind of visa or a green card.
 
Bobsmyth, my bad. I guess I read the information starting from the last line ;) You're right, it seems this will eventually lead to not needing to fill out the green I-94

Q: If people have received ESTA approval, do they also need to fill out an I-94W?
A: DHS has been coordinating with commercial air and vessel carriers on the development and implementation of messaging capabilities for passenger data transmissions that will enable DHS to provide the carriers with messages pertaining to a passenger's boarding status. A prospective VWP traveler’s ESTA status is a component of a passenger’s boarding status that has been introduced into the plans for implementing messaging capabilities between DHS and the carriers. The implementation of the ESTA program will allow DHS to eventually eliminate the requirement that VWP travelers complete an I-94W prior to being admitted to the United States.
After Jan. 12, 2009, a VWP traveler with a valid ESTA will not be required to complete the paper Form I-94W when arriving on a carrier that is capable of receiving and validating messages pertaining to the traveler’s ESTA status as part of the traveler’s boarding status. Until ESTA is mandatory, however, all VWP travelers applying for admission at a U.S. port of entry, including those VWP travelers who possess a voluntary ESTA authorization, must still present the Form I-94W to U.S. Customs and Border Protection.



PS: Yes, this is kind of off topic for this forum, but could be useful for friends of family who could visit us from VWP countries.
 
RE: Correction Jack

But it still won't apply to people on visas or green cards. It is for people on the visa waiver program ... people who don't even have an F1 or H1 or L1. People who have US citizenship on their radar would have some kind of visa or a green card.

Depending on the country you are coming from, one that has a VWP passport might choose not to use the green card when coming back to the US (1) if it has a round trip ticket that sometimes cost less than buying a one way (2) and wishes not to have that green card info swiped at point of departure by the airline.

Remember, they are saying that the info is being transmitted to CBP so that they know who is coming in on the plane and this does not worry me at all, what worries me is that the local airline also has the obligation to report it to that country's local authorities, and we have 100% no idea what they are doing with that propietary US information.

So, let's say I show my VWP passport, my round trip ticket or a ticket that comes out of the US later and don't show my green card, what happens if I use the ESTA program, get pre-approval and then show my green card to US authorities.

Anyway, my passport number and dob, and biometrics will match whatever US authorities have on file about me. Does it make any sense, it is up to each individual to make their best decision, bcs a lot of people hate the US and those who they consider enemies.

:cool:
 
So, let's say I show my VWP passport, my round trip ticket or a ticket that comes out of the US later and don't show my green card, what happens if I use the ESTA program, get pre-approval and then show my green card to US authorities.

You can't use the ESTA program if you already have a GC since it's only for non-immigrant visas for VWP members. Your ESTA application won't be approved if they show that you already have a GC on file, or worse yet if you choose to withhold information to that extent.
 
RE: Wait & See

You can't use the ESTA program if you already have a GC since it's only for non-immigrant visas for VWP members. Your ESTA application won't be approved if they show that you already have a GC on file, or worse yet if you choose to withhold information to that extent.

Hey Bob,

We have to wait until the web site https://esta.cbp.dhs.gov/ is up Aug 1st to see what kind of info they will demand from VWP travelers.- :cool:
 
RE: ESTA Questions ???

I think it's safe to assume that it will be much of the same that's currently on the I-94W and therefore the same kind of logic would apply when trying to fill out I-94W while being a GC holder.

I think it might ask:

1. maternal last name
2. first last name
3. first and middle name
4. dob
5. country of citizenship
6. country of residence
7. place of employment (5 years)
8. last addresses (5 years)
9. purpose of visit(s)
10. passport number
11. passport issuance date
12. passport issuance country
13. visa (if any)
14. have you ever had any US visas before ?
15. have you ever been detained, arrested or cited by US authorities ?
16. what countries have you visited in the last 5 years ?

and maybe some other questions, remember you are getting approvd for 2 years or whenever the passport expires.- :cool:
 
And also, if any of the members of this forum, decides to renounce citizenship or renounce LPR status or otherwise try to use this system to avoid leaving your US status info in some un-friendly country, they will have to use ESTA.

Also, they are combining CLEAR with GOES with US VISIT coming in and also coming out, so the circle is closing in for those of us who are US Citizens yet.
 
And also, if any of the members of this forum, decides to renounce citizenship or renounce LPR status or otherwise try to use this system to avoid leaving your US status info in some un-friendly country, they will have to use ESTA.

Also, they are combining CLEAR with GOES with US VISIT coming in and also coming out, so the circle is closing in for those of us who are NOT, US Citizens yet.
 
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