Questin about "Habitual Drunkard"
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If you see elephants on pink tutus flying around it might mean that you qualify as a habitual drunkard 
You can't be seriously asking if drinking a glass of wine is illegal, can you?
I would assume that if you had a documented history of alcoholism then it would become an issue. I have never seen the issue raised in this forum or anybody having an issue with it.
You can't be seriously asking if drinking a glass of wine is illegal, can you?
I would assume that if you had a documented history of alcoholism then it would become an issue. I have never seen the issue raised in this forum or anybody having an issue with it.
If such a person never got into troubles, shoudl he really honestly say Yes to that question"Are you
a habitual drunkard?"?
If he says no, then later he and his wife got a divorce and spite each other, can his ex-wife
tell USCIS that he lied on N400? To be farsighted, the wife should take photos, vidoes etc
of how drunk he is now.
Being a habitual drunkyard doesn't mean you have to get into trouble to be labeled as one. It basically means you are an alcoholic. If an alcoholic applicant answers no and his ex-wife later tells USCIS he lied on application, USCIS would have cause to investigate and take appropriate action as needed.
It is impossible to get hard evidence to prove anyone was a habitual dunkard in the past if such a person never gets into trouble . I can only think up the following
(1) testtimony by neighbors, friends, coworkers, spuses/expuses
(2) credit card history that shows purchase of more than normal alcohiol beverages
(3) medical records that shows over comsumption of alcoholbeverages
(4) association fo Alcohol Anonymous organization (and shoudl applicants disclose such association
on N400?)
The person can deny all such charges
Selling marijuana can be supported by hard evidence and hard standard but being a drunkard is
obscured. If you sell one gran of marijuana, then you are selling it. But what is the quantified standard
for being a drunkard? If someone admit he drank one bottle of beer everyday before N400 for 2 years,
does it make him a habitual drunkard? What about 2 bottles, 3 bottles?
Besides, oath letter also ask for such question regarding period after interview. One can be very happy during that short period and drink 2 bottle of beer everyday
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Stanley Hermosillo
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no worries
I imagine that unless there are numerous incidents with the police, hard evidence would be almost impossible. Otherwise they would have to be filmed over a period of time or have many people willing to testify to that effect.
I imagine that unless there are numerous incidents with the police, hard evidence would be almost impossible. Otherwise they would have to be filmed over a period of time or have many people willing to testify to that effect.
Not long ago, a person was de-naturalized because his neighbor etc testified that he often beat his wife
before N400. He was never arrested but that is exactly the purpose of that question "Have you ever commited a crime or an offense for which you were not arrested?".
I don't know what will happen if now USCIS searched any naturalized citizen's house and
found a pen with logo from a company for which person worked for before N400.
Beware, I know for a fact that twenty years from now USCIS will have lie detector technology so good that they will require every naturalization applicant to pass the lie detector test to see if they lied in their N-400 and proceed to denaturalize them, lest we should allow a few rotten apples have taken such advantage of the system. Of course my comment is tongue in cheek. However, I think denaturalization cases are a rarity and in most cases a waste of taxpayers money. Of course I want integrity in the system, and people not taking advantage of the system, but I don't think it is worth the expense of denaturalizing someone for a small crime committed years ago and that was not reported on the N-400 (I am not referring to the wife beating case WBH is mentioning) but to some hypothetical case.
Even that case was not triigered by his pre-citizenship wife beating. He commited other serious crime after citizenship and USCIS just tried to get rid of him.
So the question is not that a person can be de-naturlized by hiding some trivial fact alone.
Rather, the quesion is whether a person can be de-naturlized by combinnation of
post-citizenship SERIOUS crime and hiding of some non-serious pre-citizenship issues
I believe the answer is YES. The only thing is how serious a post-citiznehsip crime is needed to push USCIS to find a flaw and how seriosu such fla need to
be.
In reali life, I don;'t think this is an issue for anyone to get concerned . In fact, I believe if anyoen commit a extremely serious crime after citizenship, de-naturalization and dep[ortation is not a problem anymore. The person will establish his PR in American prision or even face death penalty and deportation would be a reliefe he can not get even if he begs for it.
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The standard of being a habitual drunk is not based on a number of drinks you have a day, but rather by an uncontrollable and frequent urge to become drunk to the point of causing harm to yourself or society. If the applicant shows up at the interview reeking of alcohol, with slurred speech and jaundiced, it's a good sign that the applicant is a habitual drunk.
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This is the among one of the dumbest and most useless questions on the N-400.
If they want to know about whether you've been repeatedly charged with alcohol-related offenses such as DUI or public intoxication, that is already covered by the other questions.
If they want to know about other alcohol-related issues that didn't result in a brush with law enforcement, they should be specific about and reword the question to ask (for example) if you've ever been in a treatment program for alcoholism or been hospitalized for alcohol overdose.
If they want to know about whether you've been repeatedly charged with alcohol-related offenses such as DUI or public intoxication, that is already covered by the other questions.
If they want to know about other alcohol-related issues that didn't result in a brush with law enforcement, they should be specific about and reword the question to ask (for example) if you've ever been in a treatment program for alcoholism or been hospitalized for alcohol overdose.
A drunkard can be like that " reeking of alcohol, with slurred speech and jaundiced" every day but not
on the interview and oath day
They can be attribute to other physiological or pathologicl reasons and the USCIS IOs do not
have any medical trainings in such areas. To do this, citizenship would requires a medical exam.
There could be a "habittual smoker" question too.
I think some questions to determine moiral characters are pretty old fashioned because they were
made a longtiem ago. Maybe this drunkard question was originated in the Prohibition period. Other questions like prostituion also apparently place blameworthiness only on pomps and prostitutes
rather than clients.