Please Help...Travel Question...NP or RTD...

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joe_lidort

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Dear forum moderators and users...Thank you for a lot of useful information...

I am traveling to neighbor country of my COP. However, my RTD expires in 30 days. Thats why, the neighbor country did not issue me a visa on my RTD, saying it needs at least 6 month to expire.

But I have a valid national passport, and the neighbor country issued a visa to my NP.

Now i can travel to my neighbor country with my NP easily...Questions:

1. When I return to JFK in 3 weeks, I know I have to show my RTD, but my RTD is empty and no visa, no stamps on it. If the officer asks where did you travel and how did you travel? Should I show him my NP, and the visa on it?

2. If I show him my NP, does it cause me any problem at the port of entry, or in the future?

3. Is any law or regulation that clearly states that you cannot use your NP, if you have an asylee status?

Note: I dont have a GC yet. Thank you in advance...
 
joe_lidort said:
Dear forum moderators and users...Thank you for a lot of useful information...

I am traveling to neighbor country of my COP. However, my RTD expires in 30 days. Thats why, the neighbor country did not issue me a visa on my RTD, saying it needs at least 6 month to expire.

But I have a valid national passport, and the neighbor country issued a visa to my NP.

Now i can travel to my neighbor country with my NP easily...Questions:

1. When I return to JFK in 3 weeks, I know I have to show my RTD, but my RTD is empty and no visa, no stamps on it. If the officer asks where did you travel and how did you travel? Should I show him my NP, and the visa on it?

2. If I show him my NP, does it cause me any problem at the port of entry, or in the future?

3. Is any law or regulation that clearly states that you cannot use your NP, if you have an asylee status?

Note: I dont have a GC yet. Thank you in advance...
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You should NOT use your NP while on asylee status.
 
Lazerthegreat said:
You should NOT use your NP while on asylee status.
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Thank you Lazerthegreat:

I heard that too from rumors. But, where can I find the law that says "I can't use my NP"? Thank you.
 
joe_lidort said:
Dear forum moderators and users...Thank you for a lot of useful information...

I am traveling to neighbor country of my COP. However, my RTD expires in 30 days. Thats why, the neighbor country did not issue me a visa on my RTD, saying it needs at least 6 month to expire.

But I have a valid national passport, and the neighbor country issued a visa to my NP.

Now i can travel to my neighbor country with my NP easily...Questions:

1. When I return to JFK in 3 weeks, I know I have to show my RTD, but my RTD is empty and no visa, no stamps on it. If the officer asks where did you travel and how did you travel? Should I show him my NP, and the visa on it?

2. If I show him my NP, does it cause me any problem at the port of entry, or in the future?

3. Is any law or regulation that clearly states that you cannot use your NP, if you have an asylee status?

Note: I dont have a GC yet. Thank you in advance...
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joe_lidort said:
Thank you Lazerthegreat:

I heard that too from rumors. But, where can I find the law that says "I can't use my NP"? Thank you.
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You won't be able to get back to US with your NP only? Do you have valid US visa on it? NO So what would you show at your port of embarkment when you are ready to fly to the US?
As far as official document go, read instructions on form I-131 that asylees/refugees should secure RTD as a proof of their status.
Got it?
 
faysal said:
If you have a valid national passport and you visit a third country, you should not have any problem. The problem is when you renew it or you visit your COP. To be safe apply for RTD/RP.
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I am sorry. This is wrong. I was thinking you were greencard holder....
 
Lazer's advise is correct unless he is from one of those country who are part of USVWP (US Visa Waiver Program).
Lazerthegreat said:
You won't be able to get back to US with your NP only? Do you have valid US visa on it? NO So what would you show at your port of embarkment when you are ready to fly to the US?
As far as official document go, read instructions on form I-131 that asylees/refugees should secure RTD as a proof of their status.
Got it?
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faysal said:
I am sorry. This is wrong. I was thinking you were greencard holder....
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buddy you should give advice when you are very sure..alright.... some people take this advice on this forum more seriously than the advice from attorneys....
 
Punjabi_Munda said:
Lazer's advise is correct unless he is from one of those country who are part of USVWP (US Visa Waiver Program).
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Visa waiver countries are rich ones (otherwise USA won't allow waiver, remember "Argentina", which was removed from the list because their economic situation has deteriorated).

Its highly unlikely that somebody from those countries would apply for asylum in the US.
 
Punjabi_Munda said:
Lazer's advise is correct unless he is from one of those country who are part of USVWP (US Visa Waiver Program).
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EVen if you were an asylee from a visa waiver country..you should never use your NP while you are an asylee...

Plus USVWP entries are treated as visitors...
 
Yeap.

Asylum is not limited to any country. Anyone from any country can apply for asylum for various reasons.
If OP is in asylee status and would like to visit a third country where he does or doesn't require visa, should not be a problem and there are no laws prohibiting from doing so. For example, there is an asylee from UK and has valid passport from UK. If he/she decides to visit his her parents in Mexico or Canada or any other third country where UK citizens don't require visa and come back to US from that third counrty, it shouldn't be a problem at all.
 
Punjabi_Munda said:
Asylum is not limited to any country. Anyone from any country can apply for asylum for various reasons.
If OP is in asylee status and would like to visit a third country where he does or doesn't require visa, should not be a problem and there are no laws prohibiting from doing so. For example, there is an asylee from UK and has valid passport from UK. If he/she decides to visit his her parents in Mexico or Canada or any other third country where UK citizens don't require visa and come back to US from that third counrty, it shouldn't be a problem at all.
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It is not that simple my friend. The point in case is that how you are paroled when you enter into the USA. Even if you are an asylee from UK and carrying a UK passport, do you want to be paroled as "visitor" in this country. If so, you would lose your old status (asylum) and now you have become a visitor for 90 days. And you tell the I/O that you are an asylee and have traveled outside of the US without obtaining proper documentation, you will be in other trouble.

Bottom line is when you are an asylee and you come back, you want to be admitted as asylee once again. I/O has to make a decision how to admit you? right?
And the only way they can check your status is through the RTD, you just cannot enter on that "asylum granted forever I-94" card.

So please don't tell people to use NP even if they are from visa waiver countries.
 
He Has Both

Poster has both RTD and NP. He can go to this 3rd country using his NP which has visa and show RTD when he comes back, where is the problem here?
 
Punjabi_Munda said:
Poster has both RTD and NP. He can go to this 3rd country using his NP which has visa and show RTD when he comes back, where is the problem here?
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Poster should be ok if :

1. He has not renewed his passport after getting asylum
2. Comes back on time as he only has 30 days left (3 weeks seems ok)
3. be prepared for a long explanation to the I/O why he is using both NP+RTD (which can spell disaster if I/O is having a bad day)

otherwise good luck,
 
Yesterday I called to USCIS regarding this issue.

The lady was very nice, and she even gave me her agent number if there is any problem at the port of entry.

She said, if you can't obtain a visa from a third country to my RTD, it is ok to use my NP to obtain a visa, and travel and when i come back, i just need to show my RTD at JFK.

But now, what i am thinking is, what about when i leave "third country" to the usa, they need to see my visa before letting me board onto the plane. But i dont have a USA visa on my NP.

Is it OK for them if I show RTD, saying this is the document that serves to reenter the USA. The question, do they let me in to the plane with RTD?

Thank you.
 
Alright Guys. I went to the Third country with my NP, and came back safely with my RTD with no problem. I had visa on my NP, my RTD was empty. In JFK, I showed only my RTD. It was empty, no visa, and there was nothing on it. And the IO, didnt say a word, and just put the "Indef" on my I-94.

Good luck to you all.
 
Punjabi_Munda said:
Point to be noted Lazer and Want.... Happened exactly what I told him..... :D
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Nope this was pure luck. First he has a NP that he used even though he is an asylee. I have traveled through NY/NYJ and its very simple there , as long you have a valid GC or no GC but a RTD, they dont give you trouble.

I wouldn't suggest everyone following the same route..especially if you are an asylee. And taking guidance from 1800 number is like asking deaf person to judge American Idol.
 
Well, I dont want to contradict what you guys usually say in this forum (and I know that it is better to prevent), but I know a few asylees who have traveled using NP. They only use RTD when coming back.
1. For the airline to let them board the aircraft (because they didnt have a visa).
2. When they got to customs.

No questions asked, nothing... Just "welcome home!"
 
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