PERM Denied - What are options now

great guru said:
Lawyer with JD SOC 23-1011. This is minimum prvailing wage. Indira Gandhi open your eye

Level 1 Wage :$76,669 year
Level 2 Wage: $50.38 hour - $104,790 year
Level 3 Wage: $63.89 hour - $132,891 year
Level 4 Wage: $77.41 hour - $161,013 year
Freshers from Harvard, Penstate Law schools always get 125K.

Great job in opening up closed eyes greater guru, great job, everyone should go for JD now, WOW. You opened my one eye, I should open both eyes now.

what about Cornell University, any stat on that one? You seem like you have all the peterson guide in your cerebral??
 
Last edited by a moderator:
IndiraGandhi said:
Great job in opening up closed eyes greater guru, great job, everyone should go for JD now, WOW. You opened my one eye, I should open both eyes now.

what about Cornell University, any stat on that one? You seem like you have all the peterson guide in your cerebral??

Hello "LSAT" is not easy joke, that also for you, who does not understan d difference between AOS and COS and misguide others.
 
Open other eye

IndiraGandhi said:
Great job in opening up closed eyes greater guru, great job, everyone should go for JD now, WOW. You opened my one eye, I should open both eyes now.

what about Cornell University, any stat on that one? You seem like you have all the peterson guide in your cerebral??


Open your other eye and see your own message and how you are misguiding others.

http://boards.immigrationportal.com/showthread.php?t=181625
 
There might be a problem in the School Web Site job posting. You mentioned "Job placed on School web site from Jan 19th and is still on their web site." Do you know how this showed up on the form? The 9089 form for PERM has fields for start date and end date of all ADs.

Say if you put "employer's website posting from 1/19/05 to 7/1/05", this might be a problem. All recruiting efforts should be done in the 30-180 days range before the filing date except one can be done within 30 days. "7/1/05" is within 30 days, you would need to explian it somewhere else in the form. If the lawyer put a date range like that, it might be the reason for denial.

Anyway for now just wait for the deny letter. It might just be an error in the PERM system. If that's the case then just file again. PERM allows you to file multiple times as long as all ADs are still valid.

bsnf said:
Position: Elementary School Teacher
She works for Public School (State Government Employee) teaches 3rd grade
Education : Masters in commerce from India.
Completed 2 years Licensure in Elementary Education Program from a University in US.
Has a Valid Licience to Teach K to 6th grade in the state she is working.

Application Category: EB3
Filed on: 07/02/05
Checked status on 07/07/2005 --> Showed Denied.

2 Sunday Ad's were placed on 05/22 and 05/29 (Simple AD was placed "Required Teacher K to 5 grade)
SWA job order was placed in April
Job Fair was held in March
Job placed on School web site from Jan 19th and is still on their web site.

Don't know yet why her case was denied.

Any sugessions - advice will be appreciated.

Thanks
 
great guru said:
Open your other eye and see your own message and how you are misguiding others.

http://boards.immigrationportal.com/showthread.php?t=181625

Great Guru, i do not mean to disparage you or anything. But here is a defination of what is defined as professional jobs by DOL specifically for PERM. When you talk about MBA, JD, MD you are talking about professional schools (academic defination). "The term "professional" is defined by the DOL for this purpose as being any of the jobs listed in Appendix A of the PERM regulations."

How the DOl has come up with the prevailing wage is another issue altogether. I am a civil engineer and according to them civil engineers make 57K out of school. I can assure you that even if you have a degree from the best engineering school, you wont make that much out of school.
 
cabal said:
Great Guru, i do not mean to disparage you or anything. But here is a defination of what is defined as professional jobs by DOL specifically for PERM. When you talk about MBA, JD, MD you are talking about professional schools (academic defination). "The term "professional" is defined by the DOL for this purpose as being any of the jobs listed in Appendix A of the PERM regulations."

How the DOl has come up with the prevailing wage is another issue altogether. I am a civil engineer


Which school, CA Berkely, ?

What is your concentration, if it Construciton Mangement better chances. If it is Hydrology, I accept your lament.
and according to them civil engineers make 57K out of school. I can assure you that even if you have a degree from the best engineering school, you wont make that much out of school.

This very pitty, people with 3yrs BCom . BSc with 6 months private institue computer training makes as much as 60K starting. With US Degree, if you are not able to make minimum prvailing wage means, you are not attracting good employer.
Turner /Jacob Engineering/ still takes fresh graduate for that amount.

For Los Angeles area the prevailing wage for civil engineer is the same range as you mentioned.


Area : Los Angeles-Long Beach, CA

OES/SOC Code: 17-2051

OES/SOC Title: Civil engineers

Level 1 Wage: $25.89 hour - $53,851 year
Level 2 Wage: $30.40 hour - $63,232 year
Level 3 Wage: $34.90 hour - $72,592 year
Level 4 Wage: $39.41 hour - $81,973 year
 
great guru said:
This very pitty, people with 3yrs BCom . BSc with 6 months private institue computer training makes as much as 60K starting. With US Degree, if you are not able to make minimum prvailing wage means, you are not attracting good employer.
Turner /Jacob Engineering/ still takes fresh graduate for that amount.

For Los Angeles area the prevailing wage for civil engineer is the same range as you mentioned.


Area : Los Angeles-Long Beach, CA

OES/SOC Code: 17-2051

OES/SOC Title: Civil engineers

Level 1 Wage: $25.89 hour - $53,851 year
Level 2 Wage: $30.40 hour - $63,232 year
Level 3 Wage: $34.90 hour - $72,592 year
Level 4 Wage: $39.41 hour - $81,973 year

Thanks for the encouragement. I know it kind of sucks, MS civil engr+5 yrs experience and i still make just below level 2 wage. But then like you can see the level 4 wage is only 40K above the level 1 wage. The data that OES/SOC has is flawed is not a true representative sample of what people in my field make. I have friends who went to top notch schools for their MS and they make close to what i make in the top companies that you mentioned. I am just counting my days to get my GC and move out of this field. To top it off, we need to take a professional engineers test to be able to get any kind of managerial job in out field. If you do a search on monster for civil engr jobs you will see what i am taking about
 
cabal said:
Thanks for the encouragement. I know it kind of sucks, MS civil engr+5 yrs experience and i still make just below level 2 wage. But then like you can see the level 4 wage is only 40K above the level 1 wage. The data that OES/SOC has is flawed is not a true representative sample of what people in my field make. I have friends who went to top notch schools for their MS and they make close to what i make in the top companies that you mentioned. I am just counting my days to get my GC and move out of this field. To top it off, we need to take a professional engineers test to be able to get any kind of managerial job in out field. If you do a search on monster for civil engr jobs you will see what i am taking about

My advice, do not stick to Civil Engg purely, either get certification in Construction Management or Project Mangement in concentration on cost/project control. Plenty of managerial position (OAR ) min 80K goes up to 120K.

PE will help you go as independent consultant or start you own firm, to make quick bucks in your field , my route is best route. It will not cost you much, couple of thousand, return is much more than MS Civil Engg.

Design side doing bending moment, shear force analysis or Chezy's open channel may interesting while studying, when you come to real world Engg side make very little money compare to Project/Construction management, they also work as Owner Authorized Rep for mega projects. Some of them even do not have any Civil/Structural knowledge too, but they manage the project. Why can't you???
 
great guru said:
Hello "LSAT" is not easy joke, that also for you, who does not understan d difference between AOS and COS and misguide others.

who said LSAT is not easy joke, do you think its a serious joke? as far as I know its not joke at all. :D
 
IndiraGandhi said:
alright freak, you want to give a rest or continue barking on?

You are the one barking all along. All the participants are patiently watching you . when you are going to stop it?. I do not think you will stop it. Because it is your habits.

Behave yourself atleast now onwards.
If you want to continue, I can not help it. Go ahead and bark it , I will not bother you.
.
 
dear bsf,

any news about your wife's case? Did you doublecheck all start end dates for the reqruitment part? someone mentioned before web site dates perhaps created confusion..

let us know how it goes - and dont worry too much - since when you get denial letter attorney can correct whats wrong and re-apply
 
felix31 said:
dear bsf,

any news about your wife's case? Did you doublecheck all start end dates for the reqruitment part? someone mentioned before web site dates perhaps created confusion..

let us know how it goes - and dont worry too much - since when you get denial letter attorney can correct whats wrong and re-apply

Thanks Felix31.

That was one of the things I was planning on checking with the Lawyer - I am not sure how he put the website posting in the PERM application.
I will talk to the Lawyer today and clarify that.
I don't know if we have received anything yet, both the Lawyer and HR Supervior are on vacation - Lawyer is coming today, so will check if he heard anything.

Does anyone know if we can call and check.
Does anyone know how long it takes to get the denial letter.
Is there anything I can do besides waiting.

I have been waiting on my application from Nov 2002 filed in NJ - no BEC letter, nothing.
 
great guru said:
You are the one barking all along. All the participants are patiently watching you . when you are going to stop it?. I do not think you will stop it. Because it is your habits.

Behave yourself atleast now onwards.
If you want to continue, I can not help it. Go ahead and bark it , I will not bother you.
.

People like you learn the lesson ONLY after letting you know about your true identities. It was a nice one you got, hope you don't tail me on from now.
 
Just spoke to Lawyer, he told me that he put 04/14/2005 to 07/01/2005 dates for the SWA posting. I think this could be the reason for denial but he says he does not think so.

The SWA ad is still posted as the school wanted to use this as an oppertunity to hire teachers. Unfortunatly for the school no one applied yet.
 
Yes, it should be the reason for denial.

bsnf said:
Just spoke to Lawyer, he told me that he put 04/14/2005 to 07/01/2005 dates for the SWA posting. I think this could be the reason for denial but he says he does not think so.

The SWA ad is still posted as the school wanted to use this as an oppertunity to hire teachers. Unfortunatly for the school no one applied yet.

Yes, it should the reason for denial. If your lawyer put 04/14/2005 to 6/13/2005 (30 days from today), then it should be o.k. It seems you have an incompetent lawyer. This info can be found in recent DOL FAQs.
 
cabal said:
Thanks for the encouragement. I know it kind of sucks, MS civil engr+5 yrs experience and i still make just below level 2 wage. But then like you can see the level 4 wage is only 40K above the level 1 wage. The data that OES/SOC has is flawed is not a true representative sample of what people in my field make. I have friends who went to top notch schools for their MS and they make close to what i make in the top companies that you mentioned. I am just counting my days to get my GC and move out of this field. To top it off, we need to take a professional engineers test to be able to get any kind of managerial job in out field. If you do a search on monster for civil engr jobs you will see what i am taking about

Cabal,

Hi! I am a silent spectator of this forum and i would say that this is very informative specially for me who does know little about PERM and Greencard stuff. I am hoping to find some answers to my question relating PERM.

I hold a BS Civil Engineering Degree from the Philippines and employed in a Civil ENgineering Consulting Firm (Land Developement). I am thinking of applying for greencard and i understand that the labor cert must be process first through PERM. Is it safe to file PERM with a job description of Civil ENgineer eventhough i am not a licensed Civil Engineer here in US.

I understand we have the same case, but what i do not know if you are a licensed Civil Engineer here in US.

your reply is must appreciated.

Thank you,

BTW, what job description did you used? is it Civil Engineer?? project engineer??

Thanks again

robert
 
ret76 said:
Cabal,

Hi! I am a silent spectator of this forum and i would say that this is very informative specially for me who does know little about PERM and Greencard stuff. I am hoping to find some answers to my question relating PERM.

I hold a BS Civil Engineering Degree from the Philippines and employed in a Civil ENgineering Consulting Firm (Land Developement). I am thinking of applying for greencard and i understand that the labor cert must be process first through PERM. Is it safe to file PERM with a job description of Civil ENgineer eventhough i am not a licensed Civil Engineer here in US.

I understand we have the same case, but what i do not know if you are a licensed Civil Engineer here in US.

your reply is must appreciated.

Thank you,

BTW, what job description did you used? is it Civil Engineer?? project engineer??

Thanks again

robert


To get your LC certified through PERM, you need not be a licenced (PE) civil engineer. However, you should have your Civil Engineering credential evaluated by US approved evaluation agency.. www.wes.org is one of the approved agency.
 
Top