garg_gaurav
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WE dont know yet the exact position for EB3 india, May 2002 might be for Mexico
OCT Bulletin Released !!!
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Not unfair .. its broken ...
santa4u,
Being on the worst end of this retrogression it is natural for us Indians to feel that the system is biased and unfair. However it is not exactly biased and unfair. It is just broken. Policies and laws are passed without considering the effect on the whole system. When the dates were current a lot of Indians benefitted from the pratices of USCIS but now the tables have turned and we Indians are on the receiving end.
You are correct in that outsourcing and the never ending supply of H1Bs from India encourages US lawmakers to ignore the problem of India EB3. Why should they care about us. So far as they are concerned we are replaceable, we are paying taxes for services that we probably won't ever use and are providing cheap labor. All this leads me to believe that nothing will be done for us. We just need to either be patient and wait for handouts or move to another country.
One thing is for sure though. Any Indian or other national that has been through the worst of this retro will not forget this experience and it should shape his/her thinking in the long run. The best thing about this process is that it opens ones eyes to the reality of the situation at hand and exactly what we are worth here. Our decisions in the future should be shaped by this knowledge.
regards,
saras
santa4u said:
santa4u,
Being on the worst end of this retrogression it is natural for us Indians to feel that the system is biased and unfair. However it is not exactly biased and unfair. It is just broken. Policies and laws are passed without considering the effect on the whole system. When the dates were current a lot of Indians benefitted from the pratices of USCIS but now the tables have turned and we Indians are on the receiving end.
You are correct in that outsourcing and the never ending supply of H1Bs from India encourages US lawmakers to ignore the problem of India EB3. Why should they care about us. So far as they are concerned we are replaceable, we are paying taxes for services that we probably won't ever use and are providing cheap labor. All this leads me to believe that nothing will be done for us. We just need to either be patient and wait for handouts or move to another country.
One thing is for sure though. Any Indian or other national that has been through the worst of this retro will not forget this experience and it should shape his/her thinking in the long run. The best thing about this process is that it opens ones eyes to the reality of the situation at hand and exactly what we are worth here. Our decisions in the future should be shaped by this knowledge.
regards,
saras
Almost_Done
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Missed it by 14 days
Ok, so it's official. I missed the EB3 ROW PD by 14 days..... Alright, who wants to play the "November PD guessing game"????
Ok, so it's official. I missed the EB3 ROW PD by 14 days..... Alright, who wants to play the "November PD guessing game"????
Totally agree
Saras, You are right. Even politically, it will be difficult to convince the EB3 necessity because EB3 is just skilled worker though people have gained better skills and are eligible to apply in a better category. So most folks have to prepare for a long wait.
saras76 said:
Saras, You are right. Even politically, it will be difficult to convince the EB3 necessity because EB3 is just skilled worker though people have gained better skills and are eligible to apply in a better category. So most folks have to prepare for a long wait.
puerthoughts
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Continuing the point Saras is making, i would say that it is not just the fault of USCIS in this mess. It takes two for Tango, and thus we are also to blame in this mess. I am not a person like catdog who preys on other people's misery but i would say that we are also to blame for this unfortunate situation in some minor part. Other countries are not getting retrogressed is because they do not have population problem. The supply and demand for the resources are keeping to some balance. There is another reason as well in this mess. We Indians are much more ambitious than other countries. That makes the problem worse since we have a tendency of making progress. WE have a good family foundation and that gives Indian Youth a very sharp edge in the world. This kind of creates a strong outflow of educated skilled people towards the high paying jobs in US. Our Indian Government could have used this advantage and could have created the atmosphere where we have the chances of growing in that country and help our country become the super power. Instead they sold us out and they created the situation where an educated person with IAS Credentials in hand will be serving some guy from Bihar with 4th grade education. This gives chills to any guy who thinks about his future in India. That person travels all the way here to get some worth of his skills and he is labeled the part of the brain drain. He gets stuck in the retro because all his fellow Indians also want the similar success and same sense of some worth.
They all meet here and there on online forums and forget that who we are and what we are doing here. All of them are fighting for the green card and blaming the system in US, rather than looking at the root of the problem and if we create "enough groundwork" so the future generations will get something back home in India for their skills, they will not come here and make the retrogression worse.
As i see it retrogression will make the cycle go in reverse if it hangs on for more time. It will create a backflow of people from US to India and soon there will be very less money (i mean $$) flowing to India.
That is why i always believe that if we somehow impact the culture in India, it will make it good for everyone. But who wants to go for the long term treatment? All we want is a sure and short answer. Once my green card comes i do not give a f##k about what happens to others. Show me one person on this board that got his green card before 3 months and still helps other people in some matter. It is our mentality to get for yourself and move on. We do not care for community and community does not care for us. I hope we can change this cycle and make our community think as a whole and not as individuals.
As Ben Franklin famously said: IF WE DO NOT HANG TOGETHER, WE HANG SEPARATELY.
They all meet here and there on online forums and forget that who we are and what we are doing here. All of them are fighting for the green card and blaming the system in US, rather than looking at the root of the problem and if we create "enough groundwork" so the future generations will get something back home in India for their skills, they will not come here and make the retrogression worse.
As i see it retrogression will make the cycle go in reverse if it hangs on for more time. It will create a backflow of people from US to India and soon there will be very less money (i mean $$) flowing to India.
That is why i always believe that if we somehow impact the culture in India, it will make it good for everyone. But who wants to go for the long term treatment? All we want is a sure and short answer. Once my green card comes i do not give a f##k about what happens to others. Show me one person on this board that got his green card before 3 months and still helps other people in some matter. It is our mentality to get for yourself and move on. We do not care for community and community does not care for us. I hope we can change this cycle and make our community think as a whole and not as individuals.
As Ben Franklin famously said: IF WE DO NOT HANG TOGETHER, WE HANG SEPARATELY.
cableching
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The Bulletin is now ready http://travel.state.gov/visa/frvi/bulletin/bulletin_3032.html. Indian EB3 Apr 22 01 and EB2 15 Jun 02.
Schedule A
I do not agree with you, because right now at this particular period of time USCIS has more concern about EB3 people than about EB2 or even EB1.
Sounds weird, right ?
But my argument is that there is Schedule A category and at this period of time America extreemly needs nurses (Schedule A).
Schedule A is eligiable for 50K EB recapured visas which was dedicated for them in May 2005. Department of state several times said that Schedule A 50K will be unavailable very soon. For sure it is going to happen in 2007.
Since dedicated 50K is gone, nurses do not have special provision and they suppose to consume EB visas from EB1/EB2/EB3 regular categories.
The majority of Schedule A (99%) comming here nurses, belong to EB3 category. Nurses do not file LC and most of their PD is 2005 and 2006
chanduv23 said:
I do not agree with you, because right now at this particular period of time USCIS has more concern about EB3 people than about EB2 or even EB1.
Sounds weird, right ?
But my argument is that there is Schedule A category and at this period of time America extreemly needs nurses (Schedule A).
Schedule A is eligiable for 50K EB recapured visas which was dedicated for them in May 2005. Department of state several times said that Schedule A 50K will be unavailable very soon. For sure it is going to happen in 2007.
Since dedicated 50K is gone, nurses do not have special provision and they suppose to consume EB visas from EB1/EB2/EB3 regular categories.
The majority of Schedule A (99%) comming here nurses, belong to EB3 category. Nurses do not file LC and most of their PD is 2005 and 2006
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GaramChai2go
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Need Another Independence for Indians.
We are again slaves though this time in different county (though same people are exploiting). We can do a quit America movement or we can fight for it (don't know how).
We are again slaves though this time in different county (though same people are exploiting). We can do a quit America movement or we can fight for it (don't know how).
Saras and purethought
I agree with saras that US politicians dont worry too much about Indian. Whay should they? We account for less than 1% of the US population, and there efforts are better spent in matters which effect more americans. I also agree with him that there is no inherent bias in USCIS (No bogeyman is going to get you!!!) Simple fact is you are in a queue, and you wait your turn. Unlike India, where a few bucks here and there makes a complete mockery of Law, US still is a country where there is rule of Law. Isnt that one of the reasons people want to come here?
Regarding affecting our views of the US, my personal expirience is our services are valued here, I live with self respect and dignity assured that meritocracy still flourishes here. In India, I sacrificed many years of my youth studying hard only to find later that it doesnt matter how hard I work, or how much talent I have. If I dont have "connections" or am of the same "caste" my future doesnt hold much promise. Here in US, my education is respected. It is only when I have dealing with the USCIS, that I get frustrated. But I wont allow only one thing to colour my entire view of the US.
On a lighter note, pure though raised the point that excessive population in India is a problem and is leading to excessive efflux of talented Indians to US. But if he takes the long view, and has faith in the fertility of Indians, then soon we will be a substantial population fraction here in US and THAT will make the politicians listen to us.
I agree with saras that US politicians dont worry too much about Indian. Whay should they? We account for less than 1% of the US population, and there efforts are better spent in matters which effect more americans. I also agree with him that there is no inherent bias in USCIS (No bogeyman is going to get you!!!) Simple fact is you are in a queue, and you wait your turn. Unlike India, where a few bucks here and there makes a complete mockery of Law, US still is a country where there is rule of Law. Isnt that one of the reasons people want to come here?
Regarding affecting our views of the US, my personal expirience is our services are valued here, I live with self respect and dignity assured that meritocracy still flourishes here. In India, I sacrificed many years of my youth studying hard only to find later that it doesnt matter how hard I work, or how much talent I have. If I dont have "connections" or am of the same "caste" my future doesnt hold much promise. Here in US, my education is respected. It is only when I have dealing with the USCIS, that I get frustrated. But I wont allow only one thing to colour my entire view of the US.
On a lighter note, pure though raised the point that excessive population in India is a problem and is leading to excessive efflux of talented Indians to US. But if he takes the long view, and has faith in the fertility of Indians, then soon we will be a substantial population fraction here in US and THAT will make the politicians listen to us.
GCInThisLife
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EB2 india retrogressed by 6 months - OCT bulletin
http://travel.state.gov/visa/frvi/bulletin/bulletin_3032.html
http://travel.state.gov/visa/frvi/bulletin/bulletin_3032.html
michael_holding
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INDIANS ARE SUCKERS!!! that is what the truth is...no matter how much time it takes we will still hang around here waiting for retrogression to end. blaming USCIS is not going to help...i think they are not biased, but they are stupid to not see the market realities.
damn i missed the cutoff by 15 days...not that there was any hope of getting the final approval even if it had moved into Jul02, with the way VSC is processing 485 cases.....
damn i missed the cutoff by 15 days...not that there was any hope of getting the final approval even if it had moved into Jul02, with the way VSC is processing 485 cases.....
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dcmetro22042
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I do not see EB3 moving much at all until a law is passed that provides a cure. I believe its time to take a risk and use AC21 now for those who have the ability to. I guess I shall start looking into it seriously now.
I am surprised you did not take that route Saras. Why? Wnted to play it safe?
I am surprised you did not take that route Saras. Why? Wnted to play it safe?
saras76 said:
its true.......we indians are just unfortunate/intelligent/skilled/educated group who has to struggle till eternity to get their share of life....
i can understand why most dont want to go back to india or another country......but they will also have to understand that if they keep hanging on to USA for GC sake life will become more bad for the whole community......since people will start taking us for granted....
unfortunately most are single income and hence savings are not enough that they can gain financial independence after 5-6 years of working on H1B visa...
i guess we dont have any option/choice other than keep cribbing and continue with the hope and dream that we will get our GC....because that happens to be the only solution....
GCdreamer2006
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Ac21
I was just waiting to see dates for EB3 RoW, if not current for me, of if they move backwards down the road, I would definitely trigger AC21. Here is what you need to consider:
If you stay on your job mainly because it is 'safe', think about this:
1. In the mid or long-term (1-3 years) can you guarantee that you won't get laid-off for multiple reasons ? Last year I missed an apparent lifetime opportunity waiting for this freaking visa bulletin become current on Oct 2005. One year later my job stability is not the same than last year, because new boss is around. I have a friend who in 2004 could swear that his job was 100% safe, one year later he was laid off while on I-140 stage.
2. In 1-3 years until your date becomes current, what happens if unforeseen events happen such as another - God forbidden - nasty terrorist attack occurs. I hope I am wrong, but if that ever happens, do you the US Congress will pass laws pro immigration ? I doubt.
3. How safe is AC21 ? Based on my conversation with 3 lawyers, it seems alright. I have confidence it is 99% safe.
I was just waiting to see dates for EB3 RoW, if not current for me, of if they move backwards down the road, I would definitely trigger AC21. Here is what you need to consider:
If you stay on your job mainly because it is 'safe', think about this:
1. In the mid or long-term (1-3 years) can you guarantee that you won't get laid-off for multiple reasons ? Last year I missed an apparent lifetime opportunity waiting for this freaking visa bulletin become current on Oct 2005. One year later my job stability is not the same than last year, because new boss is around. I have a friend who in 2004 could swear that his job was 100% safe, one year later he was laid off while on I-140 stage.
2. In 1-3 years until your date becomes current, what happens if unforeseen events happen such as another - God forbidden - nasty terrorist attack occurs. I hope I am wrong, but if that ever happens, do you the US Congress will pass laws pro immigration ? I doubt.
3. How safe is AC21 ? Based on my conversation with 3 lawyers, it seems alright. I have confidence it is 99% safe.
dcmetro22042 said:
michael_holding said:
Not really, we are so tough skinned and never gives up, somehow we will get thru this mess and ofcourse get into other(like citzenship), but will never try to solve the original problem someof which purethoughts touched,
At this time we need to unite and approach the problem, we need to involve more in IV activity and help them to help us,
but I find many guys especially for whom labour is not cleared are not worrying much about GC, they have firm plan to go back and many of them are already gone back, I wonder how many of those applications are in BEC creating artificial demand.
indian_gc_ocean
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thats right. Whenever I talk to my collegues from eastern europe like Poland, Armania and also Australia, they say not lot of people are coming now a days to work in the US from their countries because of time consuming labors (BECs), retrogression etc... But I doubt how many people from India actually think about greencard situation here before coming. If not for the consulate restrictions in our country we can expect to see still a lot of IT guys despite the booming market in India. Having spent so much time here its difficult to fit in Indian IT industry now. Honestly, when I came here many years back there were not many IT jobs in India but I wonder what drives the guys coming in the recent years -- lack of reality check.michael_holding said:
indian_gc_ocean said:
most of they guys coming these days are coming on L1 and even on H1 they are not counting on GCs, itz just many IT companies in India do business here and they need to send people on only on Temp basis ( a good case for H1),
At the same time we are somehow trapping ourself thinking itz all due to High Indian numbers. my point is although Indians stand on top on leagal migration list, but I really doubt the numbers on 245i cases which is causing the dates to be struck on EB3.
I might be wrong, but guys how many illegal Indians you see who apply in 245i cases?
guldukan said:
Please raed carefully this post from UN to understand how many 245i Indians
http://boards.immigrationportal.com/showpost.php?p=1508470&postcount=42
It explains why India EB3 stucked in April 2001