Natralization and criminal record

la-man

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I have gone through dozens of pages in this section to find some guidance for me. While I saw similar cases but none that could really help me. So I am posting my question in hopes of getting much needed advice.

I think my case is probably one of the most complicated ones on this board. I already talked to several attorneys specializing in immigration. They could not provide me enough insight as none of them has dealt with a case like mine. Here is my case;

1. I came to US in 1984 with an I visa as a dependent of my father who was transferred to a branch office of his company. I was 17 at the time.

2. My father filed for green card in 1987 through his company using a law firm hired by his company.

3. I made a mistake and got arrested for solicitation in 1989. I was in college at the time and being scared and ashamed I didn't tell my parents.

4. I was represented by a public defender who told me to plea no contest. He said it was no big deal since I just needed to pay a small fine($150) and be on probation for a year.

He also told me to go to the ourt and file some document after my probation ended and that it would wipe out any record. He went on to tell me to file another document at the court to see if the record was erased.

I followed his direction after one year and I did what he told me to do. Afterward when I checked there was really nothing under my name. So I thought every thing was ok and it was a life lesson for using poor judgement.

5. In the meantime the rest of family got their green card application approved but I turned 21 before that. My father petitioned for me as his single dependent in 1990 through the same company. The application was drafted for us by the firm and all I did was to sign my name. So I had no idea there was a question about criminal record in the application. Consequently my arrest record was not disclosed, a misrepresentation.

6. I went to the interview with my attorney. It ended in like 5 minutes or so and I received my green card in 1991. One of the attorneys I recently spoke with asked me if the IO asked me a question about the arrest or the conviction record. Well, the IO didn't say anything to me except having me swear the oath. He did talk to my attorney about some things but I have no idea about what they discussed.

7. I received my green card through mail in 1992.

8. I got married to a US citizen wife in 1995.

9. II filled out an application with assistance at a local help center, non-profit community organization, in 1996. Someone filled out the application there and asked me to sign it. He went through it pretty quickly and did ask me if I ever went to jail in my language. Thinking that my record was totally wiped out and I did not go to jail, I said no. So again, second misrepresentation there.

I received an interview notice in 1998. At that time I could not make the original appointment so I asked the help center to postpone it to a later date. I didn't get the notice for a new date and I forgot about it.

When I remembered after many months I called the help center to find out what was going on. They told me to just refile it some time later as they were having a serious backlog problem. As I was extremely busy struggling to get my company going at the time applying for naturalization took a back seat.

10. In 2003 I started reading about people with criminal records having problems when filing for immigration and naturalization. At first I thought I was OK since my record was wiped out. Besides I had no problem with green card application. But as time passed I kept reading more and more stories and realized it would definitely affect my case.

11. In 2005, I consulted a law firm about my situation and found out the omission, whether it was due to an honest misunderstanding or a willful lie, would pose a problem with naturalization. They told me to file a motion to vacate my conviction based on the fact that I was not provided an interpreter nor informed of a possibility that a conviction could affect my immigration status.

They said they won similar cases and helped clients obtain citizenship and I would be ok once the motion was granted Being stupid and desperate I hired them to file the motion. It was denied based on the fact that my conviction qualified under petty offense exception and that I would not face a problem as I showed that I lived an exemplary life since the conviction. That is what judge said.

The firm urged to appeal. But I had a strange feeling they were not being honest. So I consulted another law firm and found out that the problem was not the conviction record but it was the misrepresentation.

12. I have been traveling quite a bit internationally for my business and I need to continue in the future. I was stopped three years ago at Detroit airport for a second interview but was let go. I was stopped again in August at LAX but was let go after second interview.

I consulted yet another attorney recently about filing a second naturalization application. She was unsure about my chances and suggested that I just maintain my PR status.

However, I am in a situation where I have to make a decision to let my wife know about it or move forward with naturalization process hoping that I can present a good case to IO.

Please give me your advice. Thank you in advance.
 
There is no such thing as a 100% erased criminal record; Immigration sees expunged records and treats them as live records. Forget about naturalization. Be happy that they haven't deported you for the misrepresentation, and you still have your green card.
 
I believe you should be ok with applying for Naturalization

I am not sure if you should mention whether you were arrested or not. This would be your choice. But:
1. Suppose you mention u havent been arrested. If this will not come up at interview you will be ok. If this comes up then you will be just denied and can re-apply in 5 years. Or the removal proceedings can be started so you will loose your GC - but in this worst case you can instanly re-immigrate (get another GC) as a husband of a citisen

2. Suppose you mention u have been arrested in N400. Then the scenario could go along the same lines as in 1.

I dont see you loosing anything in any case
 
There is no such thing as a 100% erased criminal record; Immigration sees expunged records and treats them as live records. Forget about naturalization. Be happy that they haven't deported you for the misrepresentation, and you still have your green card.

I think you misunderstood my question or I didn't make myself clear. I did not say that I still do not know that expungement does not completely erase record. I just said that I didn't know that fact until 6 or 7 years ago. And also I have read and researched a lot about misrepresentation already so I know what it means and how it would be applied to my case. In short I am trying to see if there is anyone that was in the same or very similar situation. Thanks anyway.
 
If this comes up then you will be just denied and can re-apply in 5 years. Or the removal proceedings can be started so you will loose your GC - but in this worst case you can instanly re-immigrate (get another GC) as a husband of a citisen

Why do you say this?

Misrepresentation for an immigration benefit involves a lifetime re-entry bar to the US.
 
but in this worst case you can instanly re-immigrate (get another GC) as a husband of a citisen

This is only true when the offense is deportable but still not inadmissible.
depoatbility and inadmissbility are basicaly the same but not completely the same.
 
There is no such thing as a 100% erased criminal record; Immigration sees expunged records and treats them as live records. Forget about naturalization. Be happy that they haven't deported you for the misrepresentation, and you still have your green card.

If naturalizetion can trigger deportation, then how come renewing GC will not trigger deportation? If renewing GC can trigger deportation, then there is no way to get around it.
 
Please give me your advice. Thank you in advance.

What was the exact charge and maximum possible sentence?

So you applied for naturalization once before, but never went to interview and they told you to refile?. What happened with application? Did you ever receive notice it was closed? First make sure previous application was closed before you reapply (just to make sure you cover your bases).

If the judge refused to vacate the solicitation conviction since he recognized that it qualified under petty offense exception, then it means it does not make you inadmissible.

As for naturalization, since you didn't knowingly conceal the conviction you would answer no to "did you ever lie to gain immigration benefit" question on application.

In general, solicitation would not make you ineligible for naturalization, but without knowing the exact charge and maximum possible sentence it's impossible for us to say what the effects may be. You really need to have a good immigration attorney look over your conviction details to determine the possible immigration consequences. Search http://aila.org for immigration lawyers.
 
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If naturalizetion can trigger deportation, then how come renewing GC will not trigger deportation? If renewing GC can trigger deportation, then there is no way to get around it.
There is much greater scrutiny in the citizenship process than GC renewal. Many people with something bad on their record are able to successfully obtain GC renewal, but when they apply for citizenship USCIS digs deep into their details and finds something and initiates deportation.
 
There is much greater scrutiny in the citizenship process than GC renewal. Many people with something bad on their record are able to successfully obtain GC renewal, but when they apply for citizenship USCIS digs deep into their details and finds something and initiates deportation.

Scrutiny means if they can find out the issue or if they care or do not care about the issue or poerhaps both that is during GC renewal they may not notice an issue and even if they notice they may easily let it go.

In OP's case, it seems USCIS already know and actually make his issue part of online record and that is perhaps the got stopped twice for 2nd level inspection.
If that is teh case, he was let go twice. The scrutiny level may be similar at port of entry and GC renewal while during N400 process, the IOs may be instructed to forward such cases to ICE
 
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Thinking that my record was totally wiped out and I did not go to jail, I said no. So again, second misrepresentation there.

I received an interview notice in 1998. At that time I could not make the original appointment so I asked the help center to postpone it to a later date. I didn't get the notice for a new date and I forgot about it.

One has teh chance to correct N400 at the interview. Since you did not
go to interview so second misrepresentation may not count
 
WBH and Bob

The two things I am most concerned about are whether they would consider the misrepresentation on the green card application to be material or not; and whether they would still consider it to be when read in the context of naturalization.

Attorneys I've talked to so far all said it should not be since it was a misdemeanor; the maximum possible jail time was not longer than 1 year; only one conviction. In other words even if it was disclosed it would not have mattered in the green card application. Anyway thank you both for more informed reply.

Is there anyone on here that has dealt with misrepresentation issue?
 
Attorneys I've talked to so far all said it should not be since it was a misdemeanor; the maximum possible jail time was not longer than 1 year; only one conviction. In other words even if it was disclosed it would not have mattered in the green card application. Anyway thank you both for more informed reply.

This is both logical and illogical. It is logical as your lawyer said that it won't make any difference whether you disclose it or not if it won't prevent you from getting the GC so it is not a big deal if you did not diosclose it.

But such argument is also flawed for apparent reason. Because if USCIS
tolerate too much of not dislcosing non-material fact, then everyone will
just lie - it won't make any difference because if the fact not dislcosed
is not material it won't matter if you are caught lying and if it is material,
then you will get denied anyway even if you disclose.

USCIS treat mispresentation serious for a good reason. Otherwise everyone
willl lie to get benefits first and then argue not mispresentation is due to misundersatanidng etc later.

But I am not advising you not to apply. You will know what will happen only if you apply otherwise everything is just meaningless speculation. Speculation
can let you judge risk vs benefits but will not surely tell you what will happen.

If your lawyer say you have a good chance and you have the guts to face the worst, then I think you can goheatd to apply.

It also depends how comfortably you can live only on the GC if you do not go for citizenship, if you can not have a peace of mind and keep woryying about this day and night for teh rest of yoru life because of this, then I suggest you just apply to get it over with.
 
I don't know much about misrepresentation, But in my case i have a solicitation charges in 2006 & i have gone through first offender programme & got my citizenship today after 3 years of incident..
 
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